democrats here claim that there is no problem with illegals committing crimes

[Randomguy]

It’s a low percentage of hurting Americans. I found like a politician I know. Intentions of gangs to take over, I feel they have that in mind. They rule, they feel! But…. I read this. Makes sense to me anyway. I know I frustrate you.

Invalid Apples-to-Rocks Comparison. The notion that policy thinkers and media pundits must compare the measured crime rates of citizens and illegal aliens has no foundation in academic science because the two compared groups are not similar enough.

Here is why: Illegal immigrants, unlike American citizens, are uniquely subject to an elaborate deportation and detention apparatus that Congress built to block and remove them from the country, in part so that they are not present to commit crimes. The same apparatus, of course, cannot touch American citizens who will commit crimes.

To state what should be obvious: Illegal aliens blocked at the border or who are quickly removed from the country cannot inflict harm on Americans because they are not present. That means every single crime committed by an illegally present immigrant was preventable and should never have happened, whereas the Department of Homeland Security detention and removal machine cannot prevent a single crime by an American citizen.

All crimes committed by illegal aliens represent an unnecessary and preventable burden on American society and its criminal justice system.

These differences between the two groups mean that comparing their crime rates isn’t even apples-to-oranges, but apples-to-rocks, and invalid from the start.

The libertarians and progressives who created and purveyed the citizen-versus-illegals crime-rate comparison debate should be called out for their campaign of misdirection. It has helped neutralize the deserved political backlash against these 100 percent unnecessary extra crimes and blunted political momentum for policy remedies that would reduce the illegal immigration that caused them. The mass illegal immigration continues while those who either favor or disfavor illegal immigration wage their battles over the invalid question of relative crime rates.

A different approach is long overdue.

Thanks for a sincere and thoughtful answer.

 

[PamiUSA]

Thanks for a sincere and thoughtful answer.

And thanks for understanding.

 

[Randomguy]

And thanks for understanding.

Was watching smerconish yesterday. His poll question was: is the biggest treat to us from outside or inside? The result was overwhelmingly in favor of inside.

I am sure many will disagree wether inside meant
Dens or gop.

But something is clear, his audience forgot to think immigrants and therefore say outside.

Needless to say Im of the opinion that the threat from immigrants, if even true, is highly highly exaggerated.

 

[PamiUSA]

Was watching smerconish yesterday. His poll question was: is the biggest treat to us from outside or inside? The result was overwhelmingly in favor of inside.

I am sure many will disagree wether inside meant
Dens or gop.

But something is clear, his audience forgot to think immigrants and therefore say outside.

Needless to say Im of the opinion that the threat from immigrants, if even true, is highly highly exaggerated.

It probably is. The real issue thats really happening is over population. As in Springfield Ohio, they do not care if they are from Sweden or wherever, it’s how many. Chicago, New York etc, just out of hand. Many Americans on the streets which I know some would say its their own fault. Just a lot of funds and a lot of people coming here, many not vetted, some not with bad intentions, some, yes maybe. Kids unaccounted for. Just the incorrect way. My opinion.

 

[Gabriel_Bell]

Law abiding citizens are against all crimes.

If an undocumented person commits a crime, that raises the total number of crimes committed.

However, the CRIME RATE is expressed as a percentage of the number of people convicted of crimes as compared with the general population.

So if 1000 citizens commit 4 crimes, while 1000 undocumented people commit one, then the crime rate goes down when the two groups are combined.

 

[the annoying thing]

Law abiding citizens are against all crimes.

If an undocumented person commits a crime, that raises the total number of crimes committed.

However, the CRIME RATE is expressed as a percentage of the number of people convicted of crimes as compared with the general population.

So if 1000 citizens commit 4 crimes, while 1000 undocumented people commit one, then the crime rate goes down when the two groups are combined.

stop making weasel excuses many people would not have been murdered or raped if it wasn't for Biden nd Harris Knowling covered ip the fact of what was going on at the border .
You pin head let them in and hide the fact scum was coming in in droves .
It was liberal policy's that caused this and your all not man enough not one of you to admit it and it hurt the nation and is costing us dearly.

Thats the difference between a liberal and a AMERICA . You will never be man enough to admit it your huge ego will not allow it,

 

[the annoying thing]

MSN

All over America they are committing crimes

Illegal migrant arrested for murdering girlfriend was released by border

Gerber Luis Sanchez-Centeno allegedly killed Dania Cruz-Mejia, 18, at her home in Maryland after joining her just ten days earlier.

www.newsweek.com

 

[PamiUSA]

Law abiding citizens are against all crimes.

If an undocumented person commits a crime, that raises the total number of crimes committed.

However, the CRIME RATE is expressed as a percentage of the number of people convicted of crimes as compared with the general population.

So if 1000 citizens commit 4 crimes, while 1000 undocumented people commit one, then the crime rate goes down when the two groups are combined.

There is a proper way to come to be an American citizen. All most say is at least get them vetted! You and others try to justify the numbers. It’s the principal. Overcrowding! Language barriers. Learning more difficult for Americans while focusing on others. Homeless on the streets!
A different type of 9/11! Watch!

https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/learn-about-citizenship/10-steps-to-naturalization

 

[Randomguy]

stop making weasel excuses many people would not have been murdered or raped if it wasn't for Biden nd Harris Knowling covered ip the fact of what was going on at the border .
You pin head let them in and hide the fact scum was coming in in droves .
It was liberal policy's that caused this and your all not man enough not one of you to admit it and it hurt the nation and is costing us dearly.

Thats the difference between a liberal and a AMERICA . You will never be man enough to admit it your huge ego will not allow it,

You logic is lacking. Here: if Trump did not let Swedes or Italians or Cubans or Germans in the country, many murders would not have happened.

If you cannot respond to criticisms of your arguments why respond at all?

 

[PamiUSA]

You logic is lacking. Here: if Trump did not let Swedes or Italians or Cubans or Germans in the country, many murders would not have happened.

If you cannot respond to criticisms of your arguments why respond at all?

It is what it is! All on Biden and Harris! Nothing to do with Trump! ICE released reports today!
People are to be vetted to come here! There are proper ways of becoming a citizen.

https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/learn-about-citizenship/10-steps-to-naturalization

 

[the annoying thing]

You logic is lacking. Here: if Trump did not let Swedes or Italians or Cubans or Germans in the country, many murders would not have happened.

If you cannot respond to criticisms of your arguments why respond at all?

4 migrants robbed and strangled a man on the Pink Line, Chicago police say

Four men who live at a migrant shelter in downtown Chicago have been charged with robbing and strangling a passenger on the Pink Line, officials say.

cwbchicago.com

You do know Biden was aware this was happing he was told by the border patrol that people were not getting vetted and that gang members and terror suspects rapist murders and criminals of all types were coming across and told then to cover it up. Talk about logic whos make more sense . The man complaining about illegal criminals or the man who knew the truthy and let them in and told to cover it up. That is wanton endangerment .
Do you comprehend that Wanton endangerment

A person can be guilty of wanton endangerment even if they did not intend to harm anyone or to commit a crime; it is sufficient to recklessly disregard the peril that one’s actions create.

 

[Randomguy]

It is what it is! All on Biden and Harris! Nothing to do with Trump! ICE released reports today!
People are to be vetted to come here! There are proper ways of becoming a citizen.
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What? Trump did not let any immigrants in? Is he responsible for the crimes they committed?

 

[PamiUSA]

4 migrants robbed and strangled a man on the Pink Line, Chicago police say

Four men who live at a migrant shelter in downtown Chicago have been charged with robbing and strangling a passenger on the Pink Line, officials say.

cwbchicago.com

You do know Biden was aware this was happing he was told by the border patrol that people were not getting vetted and that gang members and terror suspects rapist murders and criminals of all types were coming across and told then to cover it up. Talk about logic whos make more sense . The man complaining about illegal criminals or the man who knew the truthy and let them in and told to cover it up. That is wanton endangerment .
Do you comprehend that Wanton endangerment

A person can be guilty of wanton endangerment even if they did not intend to harm anyone or to commit a crime; it is sufficient to recklessly disregard the peril that one’s actions create.

Ex-Border Patrol sector chief says he was blocked from releasing info on illegal immigrant crisis | Fox News Video

Former San Diego Sector Chief Patrol Agent Aaron Heitke told lawmakers he was stopped from releasing information on migrants in his sector.

www.foxnews.com

Documents Reveal Airports Used By Biden To Secretly Fly Over 400,000 Illegal Immigrants Into The United States

www.gop.gov

 

[PamiUSA]

What? Trump did not let any immigrants in? Is he responsible for the crimes they committed?

There is a difference of sneaking in and letting them in! You know it’s the truth! Many sneak in on every president! Don’t even try!

Ex-Border Patrol sector chief says he was blocked from releasing info on illegal immigrant crisis | Fox News Video

Former San Diego Sector Chief Patrol Agent Aaron Heitke told lawmakers he was stopped from releasing information on migrants in his sector.

www.foxnews.com

If you sneak in, it’s a crime!

illegals crashing through border - Google Search

 

[Randomguy]

There is a difference of sneaking in and letting them in! You know it’s the truth! Many sneak in on every president! Don’t even try!

Of course there is a difference. There is a difference in all analogies. Yet analogies are very powerful devices. The question is, are the differences invalidating there analogies? Are they relevant and signifiant?

Unless someone sneaks in without anyone noticing, all others are here according to our laws and regs. The president is the head of the executive branch and has a lot of latitude.

So if Biden is responsible for crimes committed by those let in during his term, why is not Trump for his?

Please respond to my specific argument is care. If not, that is ok too.