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Syria 2012

Discussion in 'Middle Eastern Politics' started by pocketfullofshells, Jun 26, 2012.

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  1. BigRob Super Moderator

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    I would simply respond by arguing that not all interests are long term.
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  2. Johnny Tremain Well-Known Member

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    Pardon me--but--that is hardly profound.
    Johnny Tremain, Jul 3, 2012
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  3. BigRob Super Moderator

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    Reality usually is not I suppose.
    BigRob, Jul 3, 2012
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    It may be true that not all interests are long term. For example getting elected is a short term interest for most politicians. However as a historian I think the important interests are long term. All historians now agree with lost in Vietnam. Surely we should take this into account before we intervene in Syria. Australia has been in every war that the USa was engaged in the past. Now some of us want a more independent policy.
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    This comment is absurd. There is no Socialist party in the American congress. Liberalism is not a dirty word in the rest of the world. In fact our main conser4vative party in Australia is called the Liberal Party.
    Aus22, Jul 4, 2012
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    They're called Democrats...same animal with a different name. Several members in congress do belong to the "Democratic Caucus" which aligns itself with the communist party. Marxists, socialists, communists.... all branches on the same tree.
    Cruella, Jul 4, 2012
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    Keith Ellison is an open socialist. he's an "independent" who caucuses with the DEMS. many other less so.
    dogtowner, Jul 4, 2012
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    Socialism is alive and thriving in the democrat party.
    It's simply the way it is.
    On this--there is no doubt.
    Monikers mean very little.
    Johnny Tremain, Jul 4, 2012
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    democrats became liberals til that got identified as socialist then they became progressives and now thats gotten identified as socialist. it'll be interesting to see what moniker they choose to hide behind next.
    dogtowner, Jul 4, 2012
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    One has to be wary about ANY group that runs from the name that fits it best.
    Fraud and deceit come to mind.
    Like passing something that would not be a tax that IS a tax--"A"HCA.
    Everything the democrats support and push for is some form of camouflage for what it really is.
    Johnny Tremain, Jul 4, 2012
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    yup, like those Whigs becoming Republicans when being a Whig became toxic : )
    fraud and deceit apply quite well to the guy behind the change.
    dogtowner, Jul 4, 2012
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    I would vote for Joe Arpaio for President.
    He is down-to-earth and calls them as he sees them.
    No bullshit from him.
    And oddly--a great many of his incarcerants like him--at a certain level.
    They respect him.
    Johnny Tremain, Jul 5, 2012
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    we could use a leader who commands respect.
    dogtowner, Jul 5, 2012
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    I will not discuss American parties as I do not know enough about them. All I can say the the USA is fairly unique in not having many members of congress is call themselves Socialist or Labor.
    Aus22, Jul 5, 2012
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    It is merely semantics.
    You could read American History and understand the origins of it all.
    Johnny Tremain, Jul 5, 2012
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    referring to one's self as either of those two a) renders you nearly unelectable and b) places you outside the party structure which is the infrastructure that aids the business of getting elected. signatures have to be collected, fees to be raised etc etc. Its very difficult to become a candidate as a third party here.
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    We desperately need a Third Party--and I would suggest that the Tea Party begin to move in the direction of doing just that.

    And the Obama people can unmask themselves and commit to the Communist Party of the USA. That is really who they are.
    Johnny Tremain, Jul 5, 2012
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    the TEA Party could become viable but I suspect that they wont operate much above the House of Delagates level much as the Libertarians can do no better than state level.
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    I think they are far more motivated than that--think 2010--and they see the danger the democrats have put the nation in--it's very EXISTENCE is at stake with subversives swarming all over every dept. of govt. in Washington DC.

    "We want to fundamentally change America." Read--"Communism".
    Obama is a communist. It's just a FACT. Period. His folks all were--every one of them.
    Wealth redistribution--i.e--steal from one and give to another to get their votes.
    Starts out as "socialism"--always remember--communism is the enforcer of socialism.
    Totalitarianism.

    Songs about "Barack Hussein Obama" forced on small children in grade school.
    Bird-brained teachers saying to students people who talked against GW Bush were arrested.
    Johnny Tremain, Jul 5, 2012
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    not arguing their motivation just that they will have difficulty winnng statewide races much less national. but its OK as the influence to push the GOP to the right serves a very valuable purpose.
    dogtowner, Jul 5, 2012
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