Abortion

[Mare Tranquillity]

With all due respect Trapper, he's an Anti-Theist.

Ya'll getting real big on name-callin' there, Gen. I think the Catholic church had it right when they said that until birth God didn't put a soul into the baby because so many pregnancies failed that it would be a waste of souls to put them in before birth. If that was followed today, then a fetus would be a person when it was viable outside the mother's body. Until that time it is a parasite living off the host's body and the host should have total say over its existence. It's between a woman and God until the age of viability.

 

[AgainstTheMachine]

Ya'll getting real big on name-callin' there, Gen. I think the Catholic church had it right when they said that until birth God didn't put a soul into the baby because so many pregnancies failed that it would be a waste of souls to put them in before birth. If that was followed today, then a fetus would be a person when it was viable outside the mother's body. Until that time it is a parasite living off the host's body and the host should have total say over its existence. It's between a woman and God until the age of viability.

wow ... the Church! huh?

sorry - but God Incorporated is not infallible ...

Job 3:16 Or as an hidden untimely birth I had not been; as infants [which] never saw light.


Job 3:3 Let the day perish wherein I was born, and the night [in which] it was said, There is a man child conceived.

I believe that the above quoted verse's show the Biblical view of a fetus

... and this next one - look at how it is worded

Rev 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

it does NOT say "Being With Growth" or "Being With Parasite" does it?

ONE MORE THING:

Job 3:11 Why died I not from the womb? [why] did I [not] give up the ghost when I came out of the belly?

How can you give up the ghost if you are not a life?

 

[AgainstTheMachine]

2Sa 11:5 And the woman conceived, and sent and told David, and said, I [am] with child.

here is "With Child at Conception"

 

[Diamond]

I'm curious why the child of a rapist is not worthy of life. Is it that child's fault that his/her father was a scumbag? Is this not punishing the child for the sins of the father?

Yes, I most definitely can see your point of view. I used to have these thoughts, the same as you now present. But I can clearly see that a woman does not deserve to carry a result of rape for nine months. This is to say that of course it's her choice, and if a woman has your point of view to carry the baby for nine months, then she's got my, and I hope the rest of societies, full support.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

wow ... the Church! huh?
sorry - but God Incorporated is not infallible ...
I believe that the above quoted verse's show the Biblical view of a fetus
... and this next one - look at how it is worded
it does NOT say "Being With Growth" or "Being With Parasite" does it?
ONE MORE THING:
How can you give up the ghost if you are not a life?

Yeah, but the Bible is hardly an authority in light of the fact that it says slavery is okay too.

I know, I know, you probably think the Bible is the Word of God, but the only thing you have to support that idea is "faith" and faith is what you have when you don't want the truth.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

Yes, I most definitely can see your point of view. I used to have these thoughts, the same as you now present. But I can clearly see that a woman does not deserve to carry a result of rape for nine months. This is to say that of course it's her choice, and if a woman has your point of view to carry the baby for nine months, then she's got my, and I hope the rest of societies, full support.

Part of the reason that I support a woman's right to choose is that society does not SUPPORT women in bringing children into the world, we have very little in the way of prenatal care or financial support available and I think that is wrong if we--as a society--are going to demand that women bear children they don't want or can't afford.

President Ronnie believed that life began at conception and ended at birth. If children are important, then the society should take some of the responsibility for making sure that they get adequate food, shelter, education, and medical care. But we don't do that, we want to place the onus on women and then blame them when they can't/don't do an adequate job of producing good citizen children.

 

[Diamond]

I absolutely agree with you!

 

[AgainstTheMachine]

President Ronnie believed that life began at conception and ended at birth. If children are important, then the society should take some of the responsibility for making sure that they get adequate food, shelter, education, and medical care. But we don't do that, we want to place the onus on women and then blame them when they can't/don't do an adequate job of producing good citizen children.

I get it ... it is a burden to raise children !

as it is a burden to

• say no when its about the time where they can get pregnant
• use self control
• make a better choice in men
• not to give away the milk before the cow is sold
• choose to use one or more forms of birth control as prevention

here is what I say ... if they insist on being friggin whore's - fix 'em like the dogs society does not want to see bred

after all they want to screw like a dog ...

... and NOT willing to accept the fact that the poor decisions that get them pregnant should NOT have been treated as though it was some onus situation which the whole of society now needs to pay for

FYI - perhaps the ones who made the kids need to TAKE PERSONAL OWNERSHIP of their own actions instead of DEMANDING that everyone else does

after all - they do STILL have the right to tell others they do not want sex with them ... if they can WILLINGLY tell me NO to sex - why should I UNWILLINGLY pay to feed their bastard? I am not the one RESPONSIBLE!

I accept the ownership of, and handle that which is my own PERSONAL doing - why am I supposed to accept THEIR mistake?

They DO NOT feed my son and they think I need to feed theirs? WHY?

I am a 51 year old ninth grade drop out with an eleven year old son - I don't expect YOUR HELP - why should you or anyone else expect mine?

Generosity is a gift not to be demanded and stolen from me.
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[The Silver Eagle]

In my personal opinion, Abortion is wrong. Even if it's not a
fully developed baby, its still a living organism. Just because you
made a mistake or do not wish to have the child makes you
think you have the right to destroy or take the undeveloped
life another who would never be able to feel, touch, grow,
see, hear, and live life to the fullest?

Its like this;

The baby chick hatches from the egg and starts to crawl out.
You suddenly take it and smash it to death. Is that even fair?
Is that justifying your unplanned mistake? After reading this you
think "aww how sad", but one who goes through with of course
they will live with that for the rest of their lives not able to tell
little Jimmy he may have had another older brother or sister.

Out there though there are people who do not care about that chick
they smashed except what they desire and avoiding by any means that
would ruin possibly what they plan for. The most I hate about why a
woman would do such a thing is one who would rather keep her man.
The man says "get rid of it or I'm leaving" and she says "oh please don't
I'll get rid of it." It makes me so angry! So if it came down to child and
husband you'd save your husbands life over that poor child!?

Even though woman go through with this inhumane act I hear they never
forget it and always look back on it for life at what they did because they
thinkl about how that baby could have been in its life if it were not given
up on and abortioned. I beleive thats their punishment they live with for
what they did. Never in my life will I ever do this.

Never will I throw my mistakes upon the baby.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

In my personal opinion, Abortion is wrong. Even if it's not a
fully developed baby, its still a living organism. Just because you
made a mistake or do not wish to have the child makes you
think you have the right to destroy or take the undeveloped
life another who would never be able to feel, touch, grow,
see, hear, and live life to the fullest?

Its like this;

The baby chick hatches from the egg and starts to crawl out.
You suddenly take it and smash it to death. Is that even fair?
Is that justifying your unplanned mistake? After reading this you
think "aww how sad", but one who goes through with of course
they will live with that for the rest of their lives not able to tell
little Jimmy he may have had another older brother or sister.

Out there though there are people who do not care about that chick
they smashed except what they desire and avoiding by any means that
would ruin possibly what they plan for. The most I hate about why a
woman would do such a thing is one who would rather keep her man.
The man says "get rid of it or I'm leaving" and she says "oh please don't
I'll get rid of it." It makes me so angry! So if it came down to child and
husband you'd save your husbands life over that poor child!?

Even though woman go through with this inhumane act I hear they never
forget it and always look back on it for life at what they did because they
thinkl about how that baby could have been in its life if it were not given
up on and abortioned. I beleive thats their punishment they live with for
what they did. Never in my life will I ever do this.

Never will I throw my mistakes upon the baby.

Is it only "human" life that has intrinsic value such that it "isn't fair" to kill it aborning? Or is it all life?

 

[AgainstTheMachine]

Is it only "human" life that has intrinsic value such that it "isn't fair" to kill it aborning? Or is it all life?

Personally speaking ... I could care less about an unborn chicken ... if its over cooked!

 

[The Silver Eagle]

Is it only "human" life that has intrinsic
value such that it "isn't fair" to kill it aborning? Or is it all life?

I'm sure animals do have a sense of feeling for their children, but in their
mind they protect them the best they can and I beleive that they beleive
in the Charles Darwin theory of the strongest will survive fit over the
weakest. We are humans and with abortion it means we have the choice
to take the organism life or keep it to develop into a baby. An animal doe's
not have that choice andthey would never do it because when they have
children no matter what they (most) are loyal like a mother goose or
chicken. Having children is a gift because scientists are amazed that besides
the fact of us existing we were given the option (us females) to reproduce
to keep our existence on going.

Having a child is more than what you think it will affect your life, its a gift.
Because we are lucky in the first place to develop however we did and be
able to reproduce.

If you don't want the child, have then give it away to those who are
unfortunate to have one. I know there's mothers out there that can't
have children and I'm sure they would take it and adopt it, which most
do. Or now you can have it and the fireplace takes it, you don't even
have to say your name and they take it for you to have it adopted by
someone who will want it because of the fear of the stupid things these
people do after having it like dropping it in a dumpster or drowning it in
a toilet and other.

To put it simple, if you don't want the baby, then wait till you have it
and then give it to a needy parent for adoption so it can at least have
a life and not suffer from your mistake.

 

[The Silver Eagle]

I do not support abortion whatsoever. It is indeed murder I would say for
the living organism. There is a way in dealing with the baby if you don't
even want it. Any doctor that would help abortionize the unborn is evil.
They, if they wish, to be doctors, should find another way of being a real
one. I'm not saying what Paul Hill did was justified and at least there is
one less abortion clinic out there, but I'm saying that those who let it go
have no sympathy and care for what that organisms life could have been.
There is something truly wrong with a woman if she doe's not find any
certain harm or feeling towards abortion. Woman should understand even
better than men because we are the producers of this organism. Its just
insane like a Schitsophrenic that they can sit there and say its justified
and should be allowed to take an unborn organisms life!

For gods sake! If you don't want the baby, put it up for adoption or for
someone who will want it! Turn it in to the Fireplace! Give it to someone
who will care! You don't have to pay to do this either! The doctor can
take care of this once you have the baby and you will have the option.
JUST DON'T COMMIT THIS ABORTION!!!!!!!!

 

[The Silver Eagle]

No new posts were added? Oh I thought there was.
I was meaning to reply to the person who posted
the YouTube video.

Those aren't terrorists, those are just murderers. A
terrorist would be a foreign one or one within our society
against the governemt wishing to overthrow or threaten
its very citizens. Not certain citizens but all in one country.
The terrorists though are the one's displayed in the beginning
of the video with the 9/11 attack. Thats a true terrorist.

 

[asur]

Mare Wrote -

is that society does not SUPPORT women in bringing children into the world, we have very little in the way of prenatal care or financial support available

You are 100% wrong and out of touch with reality.

Social services does a very good job of providing for children
with or without parents in the US.

A person on welfare with kids gets a free home, free food and spending cash to boot.
Your doctor bills are paid for also.