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[OldTrapper]

Ye, Iraq is a haven of peace and democracy.

Well if you believe Fox Views.

If you listen to news you know that it is just a huge mess.

Old trapper you are brainwashed.

Now pop your uniform on and die like a good old boy.

LOL, you really hate being shown to be a fool to the point you would wish one dead.

Now, rather then answer a question with some form of rational, and logical, argument you resort to the lie. Fox has never said there is a "haven of peace and democracy" in Iraq. There never will be, or anywhere in the world for that matter, as long as those who deliberately, and pointedly, kill innocents without fear of repercussions, and this includes abortionists, as well as the terrorists. When life is given a position of where it matters not to the individual then you are no better then the animal you believe we have evolved from. That is the basest form of human nature.

So, again I ask, since you rail against war, and the defense of others, what is your solution, or alternative?

 

[rationalist]

Iraq ia a mess, hundreds of thousands have been killed, more disposessed and the country has descended into civil war.

My solution is this.

Don't attack countries that are not attacking you.

Don't attack countries to steal their oil and sell the idea to idots as WMD or regime change when there are plenty of other countries with WMD and or despotic leaders who don't have oil and so don't need regime change.

How about that for starters?

 

[AgainstTheMachine]

Yes, those poor black people have had such an easy ride in the US. They are sooo ungrateful.

Do you play the banjo when you are not demanding the kind of figures you fail to provide yourself?

They are in your commercials????

Wow, that is just fantastic.

Well that cancels out 200 years of murder, torture, abuse, wongful arrest, execution, discrimination and impoverishment.

... and your point is??
they get a FREE PASS on

1. upholding the law?
2. on caring the kids they sire?
3. respecting the women in their community?
4. of course they do not need to demonstrate a respect for the language our country has used for over 200 years either.

Give 'em a free Po Boy pass!
Why join the society that had this nation so admired that people of the world were flocking to our shores.

wanna talk about the black crap??

MANY PEOPLE were hated in this country ... like the Italian's, Irish, and the Polish (to an extent)
The difference is they decided to become a FUNCTIONING part of America's culture.

Why is it when THEIR OWN ... like DOCTOR Condoleeza Rice or General Colin Powell success they are called Token negro's? ... Aunt Jemima's? ... Uncle Tom's?

It's because they do NOT want to be a part of the society.
They want to fail so they can tell the others how bad they been treated.

GUESS WHAT ... they are not equal to me or the Rice's and Powell's and the many who have struggled to actually succeed in the American Dream

Iraq ia a mess, hundreds of thousands have been killed, more disposessed and the country has descended into civil war.

My solution is this.

Don't attack countries that are not attacking you. ESPECIALLY IF they are supporting and protecting those who have attacked us - supporting the illegal drag trafficing through out the world - have used WMD - have killed hundreds of thousands - have allowed their citizens to be raped, robbed, and pillaged - ALL THAT IS NOTHING TO YOU (just like the way you care about people in housing projects and unborn lives!)

Don't attack countries to steal their oil and sell the idea to idots as WMD or regime change when there are plenty of other countries with WMD and or despotic leaders who don't have oil and so don't need regime change.

How about that for starters?

You are so friggin off the mark ... it makes you sound like a TOTALLY clueless ***** ...

You spit out crap and have NO PROOF that what you say is even close to being FACT ...

give it up - you aren't good enough to catch any of King or Koontz shelf space.

SHOW ME PROOF about how we steal their oil.

What a clueless comment!

1. We are footing the larger part of the bill to fund the war.
2. we are paying almost 2 times more for gas than when it started.
3. and people like you keep talking about stuff you know NOTHING about!

until you can show proof of an accusation like we are STEALING their oil - you are just a rambling loser!

if WE WERE stealing the oil - Obama would be spending it faster than a wino in a liquor store!

 

[rationalist]

I'm sorry, I nearly died of boredom after the first couple of lines of what you repeated

 

[rationalist]

Actually, you know what oldCtrapper?

I couldn't care less what you think as your dinosaur, hick, redneck views are sooo irrelevant to the way the world is developing.

You are a spent 'force' in a country that is a spent force.

How spent is that?

You are spent squared

 

[AgainstTheMachine]

I'm sorry, I nearly died of boredom after the first couple of lines of what you repeated

of course ... because it requires someone with common sense ...

want to talk about REPETITION? THIS TYPE OF COMMENT HAS BEEN USED SINCE THE 60'S

Do you play the banjo

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

[*]We are footing the larger part of the bill to fund the war.
[*]we are paying almost 2 times more for gas than when it started.
[*]and people like you keep talking about stuff you know NOTHING about!
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until you can show proof of an accusation like we are STEALING their oil - you are just a rambling loser!

if WE WERE stealing the oil - Obama would be spending it faster than a wino in a liquor store!

Actually, the oil companies are doing the major theft with the collusion of the US government. Yes, gas prices are up and they will stay up, but look at oil company profits, it's private enterprise that's making out like a bandit. They are using our military to get access to the oil (and we pay the military), then they charge us an enormous markup on the gas/oil when they market it here Stateside. Nice double-dip! Capitalism in action, charge all the market will bear and externalize as many of the costs as possible. It's insane, unethical, immoral, and destructive to the world and US economies, it impoverishes the general populace, but it's LEGAL. And it's legal because the people with the money have bought our lawmakers and passed the laws to make it legal.

It never fails to amaze me that people still argue about Dem vs Repub or Con vs Lib, those names are irrelevant. It's class warfare we're facing, the rich and powerful against the rest of us.

 

[OldTrapper]

Actually, the oil companies are doing the major theft with the collusion of the US government. Yes, gas prices are up and they will stay up, but look at oil company profits, it's private enterprise that's making out like a bandit. They are using our military to get access to the oil (and we pay the military), then they charge us an enormous markup on the gas/oil when they market it here Stateside. Nice double-dip! Capitalism in action, charge all the market will bear and externalize as many of the costs as possible. It's insane, unethical, immoral, and destructive to the world and US economies, it impoverishes the general populace, but it's LEGAL. And it's legal because the people with the money have bought our lawmakers and passed the laws to make it legal.

It never fails to amaze me that people still argue about Dem vs Repub or Con vs Lib, those names are irrelevant. It's class warfare we're facing, the rich and powerful against the rest of us.

Show where thr US is stealing oil from Iraq, or join the line with the irrational one who cannot prove anything, and thus avoids answering real questions.

I would agree about the class warfare argument, however, it has nothing to do with capitalism since that was destroyed here in America a long time ago.

Just do a google searh on "capitalism is dead". Too many good articles there to choose from.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

Show where thr US is stealing oil from Iraq, or join the line with the irrational one who cannot prove anything, and thus avoids answering real questions.

I would agree about the class warfare argument, however, it has nothing to do with capitalism since that was destroyed here in America a long time ago.

Just do a google searh on "capitalism is dead". Too many good articles there to choose from.

Try to read my posts carefully, I never said the US was stealing oil. It also matters not a whit which "ism" you call it, what we have is a mess that is owned and run by the wealthy for their benefit.

 

[OldTrapper]

Try to read my posts carefully, I never said the US was stealing oil. It also matters not a whit which "ism" you call it, what we have is a mess that is owned and run by the wealthy for their benefit.

Have you ever done any research into how the so-called "progressives" have aided that transfer of wealth, and created that class of "wealthy"?

Even the benefits that "big oil" enjoys were put there by the Democrats under Carter.

 

[OldTrapper]

Actually, you know what oldCtrapper?

I couldn't care less what you think as your dinosaur, hick, redneck views are sooo irrelevant to the way the world is developing.

You are a spent 'force' in a country that is a spent force.

How spent is that?

You are spent squared

I knew you had no answer from the beginning. You celebrate the death of the unborn, and then in your defense you rail on about how innocent people are being killed in war, and in doing so you protect the unjustifiable killing fo innocent people by terrorists, or your fellow Atheists.

Totally irrational.

 

[Diamond]

The laws on abortion should be stricter, not because I'd like to limit the freedom of womens choices, but because I want to make it possible for the unborn life to also have a say. Into the fifth week of a pregnancy there's an unborn life, a life that should be given opportunities and not just ignored.
I'd also like to add that this of course does not count for rape, that's a completely different issue where we all should have an understanding for the difficult choices made by the individual woman.

 

[GenSeneca]

... or your fellow Atheists.

With all due respect Trapper, he's an Anti-Theist.

 

[rationalist]

I'm neither.

I am just rational.

If you were too you could work out the implication of that statement for yourselves Gen and Old.

But you aren't so you can't.

How is god today?

And what exactly does he do?

I suppose a lot of the time he is organisng millions of abortions.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

The laws on abortion should be stricter, not because I'd like to limit the freedom of womens choices, but because I want to make it possible for the unborn life to also have a say. Into the fifth week of a pregnancy there's an unborn life, a life that should be given opportunities and not just ignored.
I'd also like to add that this of course does not count for rape, that's a completely different issue where we all should have an understanding for the difficult choices made by the individual woman.

I'm curious why the child of a rapist is not worthy of life. Is it that child's fault that his/her father was a scumbag? Is this not punishing the child for the sins of the father?