Abortion

[AgainstTheMachine]

Look I know you guys' grasp of logic is flimsy at the best of times but this time I can't make head nor tail of what you are getting at no matter how I spin what you have written.

Anyone able to decode this stuff they have written?

..and your grasp of responsibility for your OWN ACTIONS is so solid?

 

[citizenzen]

but you REFUSED TO ANSWER that question?

Let me ask you AGAIN ...

WHAT KIND OF QUESTION IS THAT??

In case you can NOT keep track of this discussion ... it was asked of me ...​

Oh. I thought you were being rhetorical. My mistake.

Earlier you posted this...

... is the evacuation of an unborn the unborn's choice?

I asked, "Do you think a fetus is capable of making a choice?"

To which you replied, "WHAT KIND OF QUESTION IS THAT??"

So I guess the problem here is that I'm mistaking questions that you intend to be rhetorical as actual questions, and the questions you want answered as rhetorical. Please pardon my confusion.​

 

[AgainstTheMachine]

Oh. I thought you were being rhetorical. My mistake.

Earlier you posted this...



I asked, "Do you think a fetus is capable of making a choice?"

To which you replied, "WHAT KIND OF QUESTION IS THAT??"

So I guess the problem here is that I'm mistaking questions that you intend to be rhetorical as actual questions, and the questions you want answered as rhetorical. Please pardon my confusion.

why is it so hard to follow?

People join the military without sufficient planning and their chance of death is higher.
People know their city is being targeted for an attack and they refuse to find safety - they may well die.

a fetus has NO WAY to fend for their own well being. They have NO CHOICE!

Look at the numerous people who make a massive difference in society that would have been dead if the parents thought that easy was the way out.

Good example ... Condoleeza Rice - her mother worked very hard to keep her well enough so she could actually get a PhD.

I could care less what her politics are ... I dislike Republicans almost as much as liberal Democrats ... but her mother could have easily disposed of the PROBLEM instead of being a mature person and face it head on ...

Look at how much of our society and that of the world just up and quit things when it gets a little difficult!

It's part of the loser mentality which is destroying our world - and pro abortion is just one element of the destruction that is getting everything so out of wack!

 

[OldTrapper]

They are confused.

They love a bit of war that kills thousands of born children but obviously they are pro life.

Makes perfect sense.

I'm glad I'm evil.

Using your form of "rational thought" then I guess we should just roll over, play dead, and let all who want to take over the country have their way.

Unless you can finds a way to fight the enemies of this country without killing innocent life that is.

Under your "logic" we would never have fought WW2, or even the Revolution, the War of 1812, etc.

Still, while you decry the loss of innocent life in a time of war you support the taking of innocent life for the convenience of the "woman", and over 90% of abortions are for the convenience of the "woman", not out of any medical need, or because of rape.

When you say a lot of thought has gone into the decision, do you think the same for the ones that have had 3, 4, 5, abortions?

Then too, the very process you support has contributed to the sexual promiscuity that causes the situation to begin with. And you ignore that the groups that support abortion also support an end to parental rights, and refuse to name the adult that gets a child pregnant which is statuatory rape in every State. All for the sake of profit.

 

[citizenzen]

why is it so hard to follow?

a fetus has NO WAY to fend for their own well being. They have NO CHOICE!

I agree with you. Fetuses don't have a choice in this matter. But I agree with the law that this is ultimately the mother's decision.

You don't, and are doing what you can to change the law. I get that. If I found myself on the wrong end of this decision I'd fight for change just like you're doing now.

That's not so hard to follow.

 

[Pandora]

I agree with you. Fetuses don't have a choice in this matter. But I agree with the law that this is ultimately the mother's decision.

You don't, and are doing what you can to change the law. I get that. If I found myself on the wrong end of this decision I'd fight for change just like you're doing now.

That's not so hard to follow.

Are you agreeing that abortion is morally wrong but legal so until the law is changed its acceptable?

If I am off base, I am sorry... just a bit confused following the thread these days.

 

[AgainstTheMachine]

I agree with you. Fetuses don't have a choice in this matter. But I agree with the law that this is ultimately the mother's decision.

You don't, and are doing what you can to change the law. I get that. If I found myself on the wrong end of this decision I'd fight for change just like you're doing now.

That's not so hard to follow.

... and since the law says criminals need to be in prison

then it should be fine in YOUR way of thinking when some Bubba makes his cell mate the wife he never had ...
that seems to be basically the same thing!
Just screw the cell mates right too (Fetus is basically a womans cell mate)

You think the law is perfect?
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Do you think it is fine to kill murderers too?

Apparently you must ... one of the sheeple following the GIVEN LAW!
That is a rarity ... being on that side and so WILLING to accept the LAW.

 

[Gipper]

I agree with you. Fetuses don't have a choice in this matter. But I agree with the law that this is ultimately the mother's decision.

You don't, and are doing what you can to change the law. I get that. If I found myself on the wrong end of this decision I'd fight for change just like you're doing now.

That's not so hard to follow.

This is the argument used by Dems to promote slavery prior to the Civil War. We all agree today that slavery is wrong. Soon we all will agree that abortion is murder and it must be prohibited. Then, we as a nation will live up to our motto of LIFE, LIBERTY, AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS once again.

God please make this happen soon...

 

[OldTrapper]

I agree with you. Fetuses don't have a choice in this matter. But I agree with the law that this is ultimately the mother's decision.

You don't, and are doing what you can to change the law. I get that. If I found myself on the wrong end of this decision I'd fight for change just like you're doing now.

That's not so hard to follow.

Did you agree with Plessy v Ferguson too?

If the babe has no choice then how can you support the "woman's" decision, or the law?

BTW, in order for the "woman" to become a "mother" the babe has to survive. Or perhaps using the term "mother" for one who is about to kill her unborn is a fruedian slip acknowledging the fact that she is about to kill her child.

 

[citizenzen]

You think the law is perfect?

I think the Constitution is as close to perfection as we need. I think the decisions made by people interpreting it can certainly be flawed. The Supreme Court's recent decision on Corporations being a case in point. But I'm not pro-choice because of any court decision, I'm pro-choice because it is rational, and morally correct. The Supreme Court merely confirmed what millions of Americans already believed to be true.

I understand that millions of Americans disagree with that decision. And yes, I know that means over a million fetuses... or babies... or potential humans (whatever you want to call them) do not get the opportunity to be born (or as you might say, murdered) each year. That's the way it is. We were given a Hobson's choice of forcing women to carry every pregnancy to term or to abort a fetus, and we decided to give women the choice.

So now you're trying to change the law back to your side. I certainly don't begrudge you that right. I've always believed in America, love it or change it. In the meantime, while you're banging for your side, I'll be banging for mine, and if we manage to survive a few more decades without killing each other (not including the fetuses) I'll count that as a victory.

 

[citizenzen]

Did you agree with Plessy v Ferguson too?

Was that before Ali v. Frazier?

 

[AgainstTheMachine]

I think the Constitution is as close to perfection as we need. I think the decisions made by people interpreting it can certainly be flawed. The Supreme Court's recent decision on Corporations being a case in point. But I'm not pro-choice because of any court decision, I'm pro-choice because it is rational, and morally correct. The Supreme Court merely confirmed what millions of Americans already believed to be true.

I understand that millions of Americans disagree with that decision. And yes, I know that means over a million fetuses... or babies... or potential humans (whatever you want to call them) do not get the opportunity to be born (or as you might say, murdered) each year. That's the way it is. We were given a Hobson's choice of forcing women to carry every pregnancy to term or to abort a fetus, and we decided to give women the choice.

So now you're trying to change the law back to your side. I certainly don't begrudge you that right. I've always believed in America, love it or change it. In the meantime, while you're banging for your side, I'll be banging for mine, and if we manage to survive a few more decades without killing each other (not including the fetuses) I'll count that as a victory.

where does the Constitution support fetal slaughter?

 

[asur]

Abortion is a method used by white liberals to reduce the black population
in certain areas.


The facts speak for themselves:
56 percent of abortions in Georgia are performed on African American women, though blacks make up 30 percent of the general population.

 

[Pandora]

Abortion is a method used by white liberals to reduce the black population
in cretain areas.


The facts speak for themselves:
56 percent of abortions in Georgia are performed on African American women, though blacks make up 30 percent of the general population.

That is really sad but true.

A while back some lib wrote about how the high rate of abortions of black children in inner cities has reduced the crime rate, as though that was a good way to reduce crime.

What I do not understand is why black people can not see through it.

 

[citizenzen]

where does the Constitution support fetal slaughter?

From wikipedia...

The [Supreme] Court rested these conclusions on a constitutional right to privacy emanating from the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, also known as substantive due process.​

Wikipedia. Maybe next time you could check it out when you have questions like that. Or maybe google it. I can't be your fact-checker. I have better things to do.