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[Mare Tranquillity]

Some research is in order on your part. Little of the land west of the rockes is without grandwater. The ogallala is the largest; not the only.

I will say one thing for you guys (libs) you believe in the crazyiest things and continue to believe no matter how often they are proven wrong. The population myth didn't work out for malthus and it didn't work out for ehrlich and it isn't going to work out for whoever is pushing the tripe today; any more than AGW.

Name calling is an argument? The quality of your work is going downhill, you are a pale imitation of your former self.

 

[Gipper]

Prove it.

Okay.

Anyone who believes murdering the innocent unborn is a solution for combating overpopulation is IGNORANT and CRAZY. Murder the unborn based on a myth. Sick!

The most highly populated places in the world are often very successful and have high living standards.

Check out Hong Kong or Singapore. Both have some of the highest population densities in the world. Yet, they live very well. How can this be if over population leads to scarcity and poverty? Africa with it crushing poverty, has some of the lowest populations densities in the world.

Your argument has now been completely destroyed. Like man caused global warming, overpopulation is a hoax. And is merely an effort to promote one world Marxist government.

 

[dahermit]

Okay.

Anyone who believes murdering the innocent unborn is a solution for combating overpopulation is IGNORANT and CRAZY. Murder the unborn based on a myth. Sick!

Demagoguery.

The most highly populated places in the world are often very successful and have high living standards.

Check out Hong Kong or Singapore. Both have some of the highest population densities in the world. Yet, they live very well. How can this be if over population leads to scarcity and poverty? Africa with it crushing poverty, has some of the lowest populations densities in the world.

Hong Kong (China) is an anomaly brought about by international business interests based there. The rest of China however, has a high population density and a low standard of living. India has a high population density and a low standard of living. Middle African countries have a higher population density than there meager resources can support. The broad expanses of wilderness such as the Kalahari desert is of course sparely populated for very good reason...no one save a bushman can live there.

Your argument has now been completely destroyed. Like man caused global warming, overpopulation is a hoax. And is merely an effort to promote one world Marxist government.

What high school do you go to?

 

[dahermit]

Name calling is an argument? The quality of your work is going downhill, you are a pale imitation of your former self.

You notice how he avoids the points I made about pollution from sewage plants destroying the shell fish industry, over fishing, dams destroying salmon runs, coal fired power plants emitting Mercury, etc.? He is very careful about what points he feels are safe to address, ignoring those for which he has no counter. He is much like his avatar "Michael", from "The Office".

 

[palerider]

Name calling is an argument? The quality of your work is going downhill, you are a pale imitation of your former self.

I don't see any namecalling there. Perhaps you can point out where I called anyone anything.

 

[palerider]

The rest of China however, has a high population density and a low standard of living.

Actually the rest of china has a very low population density. It remains poor because the bulk of its people live small groups in the countryside.

Here is a map of the population density of china. As you can see, areas with more than 900 people per square kilometer amount to less than 1% of the country. The bulk of china is mostly countryside

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India has a high population density and a low standard of living.

Oops, Seems that the bulk of india has a low population density as well. Seems that most of your beliefs are based on flawed information.

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Middle African countries have a higher population density than there meager resources can support.

No. What they have is corrupt governments and a very poor means of distribution as is the case with the rest of the third world. There is a food surplus in the world.

What high school do you go to?

I might ask you the same thing.

 

[palerider]

You notice how he avoids the points I made about pollution from sewage plants destroying the shell fish industry, over fishing, dams destroying salmon runs, coal fired power plants emitting Mercury, etc.? He is very careful about what points he feels are safe to address, ignoring those for which he has no counter. He is much like his avatar "Michael", from "The Office".

Those are waste handling and treatment issues, not overopulation issues as we now posess the technology to effectively handle waste. Of course in countries where there are no power grids, due to green interference, the equipment won't work.

Your complaints aren't due to overpopulation but mismanagement of resources which is an entirely different thing.

 

[dahermit]

Those are waste handling and treatment issues, not overopulation issues as we now posess the technology to effectively handle waste. Of course in countries where there are no power grids, due to green interference, the equipment won't work.

Your complaints aren't due to overpopulation but mismanagement of resources which is an entirely different thing.

Humans do not have the intellectual ability to anticipate and plan for the intricacies of large populations so, it is exactly the same thing/result. They will never be able to do so, therefore the reduction of population is the viable solution, not the better management of population effects. The fact that humans have the technology is a moot point because it is not implemented; having the technology and constructing/implementing/using it are quite different from having it in a lab or in theory. Now, if you can show me any population in the world now or in the past (including extinct populations/cultures), that have solved their problems, I would be glad to hear it. But as of now, the fish stocks diminish, the fish are being poisoned with mercury, the corals are dying as are the fish that depend on them.

Noticed that you did not address diminished ocean resources due to population demand and overfishing.

Also, notice the question about high school was not addressed to you, Michael.

 

[dogtowner]

Humans do not have the intellectual ability to anticipate and plan for the intricacies of large populations so, it is exactly the same thing/result. They will never be able to do so, therefore the reduction of population is the viable solution, not the better management of population effects. The fact that humans have the technology is a moot point because it is not implemented; having the technology and constructing/implementing/using it are quite different from having it in a lab or in theory. Now, if you can show me any population in the world now or in the past (including extinct populations/cultures), that have solved their problems, I would be glad to hear it. But as of now, the fish stocks diminish, the fish are being poisoned with mercury, the corals are dying as are the fish that depend on them.

Noticed that you did not address diminished ocean resources due to population demand and overfishing.

Also, notice the question about high school was not addressed to you, Michael.

So above you say Hong Kong has in fact adderssed the intracasies then eher you say its mipossible followe dimmediately by statign the tech exists.

You are all over the map here man, whats it going to be ?

 

[palerider]

So above you say Hong Kong has in fact adderssed the intracasies then eher you say its mipossible followe dimmediately by statign the tech exists.

You are all over the map here man, whats it going to be ?

When your premise is flawed, all arguments that arise from it are doomed to be flawed as well. It is the goal of the greens to keep the third world poor and dying in thier 30's. After all, they are just brown people; right dahermit?

 

[dahermit]

It is the goal of the greens to keep the third world poor and dying in thier 30's. After all, they are just brown people; right dahermit?

I am not concerned about the third world and its problems. I am concerned about the U.S. and its overpopulation. We are the ones destroying our own environment. What is happening in the third world is of their own concern. As to the goal of the "greens" in regard to the third world, I do not know as I am not a member of any such organization. In any event, I do not know how any "green organization" in this country can effect African counties inasmuch as they are not likely to have any political standing there. Seems like some personal fantasy to me.

 

[Gipper]

I am not concerned about the third world and its problems. I am concerned about the U.S. and its overpopulation. We are the ones destroying our own environment. What is happening in the third world is of their own concern. As to the goal of the "greens" in regard to the third world, I do not know as I am not a member of any such organization. In any event, I do not know how any "green organization" in this country can effect African counties inasmuch as they are not likely to have any political standing there. Seems like some personal fantasy to me.

You do surprise me. Your arguements have been completely destroyed, yet you continue to post.

Did you graduate from elementary school?

 

[dahermit]

You do surprise me. Your arguements have been completely destroyed, yet you continue to post.

Destroyed like much of the area where I grew up at Ludington, MI. Dow Chemical filled in the Pere Marquette marsh, no more ducks. Sargent Sand company mined off the scenic sand dune Mt. Baldy leaving a flat eyesore. The Rail Road mined off the rolling sand dunes off First street. Harbonson and Walker Co. piped their waste into the Pere Marquette River smothering all the water plants, no more coots (there used to be thousands), or muskrats. The Pere Marquette Lake polluted. DDT and Mercury levels in the fish so high that the fish in Lake Michigan are considered too contaminated to eat. The city of Ludington using the P.M. River flats for a land fill with no attempt to keep the contaminated fluids from leaching into the river. Yup, our population had no impact at all.

 

[palerider]

I am not concerned about the third world and its problems. I am concerned about the U.S. and its overpopulation.

Sorry, but we aren't overpopulated and to date, you have not provided a shred of evidence suggesting that we are.

 

[palerider]

Destroyed like much of the area where I grew up at Ludington, MI. Dow Chemical filled in the Pere Marquette marsh, no more ducks.

I did a search for the history of Ludington, MI. I find no report on a severe overpopulation problem there now, or at any time in history. There have been some criminal actions with regard to dumping but that issue has nothing to do with overpopulation. You seem to be confusing one issue with another and in doing so falling into the logical fallacy of confusing cause and effect.

Sargent Sand company mined off the scenic sand dune Mt. Baldy leaving a flat eyesore.

Not due to overpopulation.

The Rail Road mined off the rolling sand dunes off First street.

Not due to overpopulation.

Harbonson and Walker Co. piped their waste into the Pere Marquette River smothering all the water plants, no more coots (there used to be thousands), or muskrats.

Not due to overpopulation

The Pere Marquette Lake polluted. DDT and Mercury levels in the fish so high that the fish in Lake Michigan are considered too contaminated to eat.

Not due to overpopulation

The city of Ludington using the P.M. River flats for a land fill with no attempt to keep the contaminated fluids from leaching into the river.

Not due to overpopulation. The perpetrators of those actions were companies who employed people numbering in the thousands. Overpopulation had nothing to do with their actions. A desire to increase profits, or perhaps plain lazyiness drove their actions, but overpopulation had nothing to do with it. Of course if you care to provide some credible sources making a case for the overpopulation of any of the areas you mention, feel free.