The Pessimism of the Left

[pocketfullofshells]

Oh noooooo .. I have a whole 'nother level of offensive mood .. you ain't seen nuttin' yet.

Is it your mood, or did you find one to pretend was yours?

 

[Texas_tea]

Actually Lag ..... Liberals make up less than 25% of the population. Conservatives still make up the largest portion of our population by far.

 

[Lagboltz]

Actually Lag ..... Liberals make up less than 25% of the population. Conservatives still make up the largest portion of our population by far.

That of course would depend on how "liberals" are defined. My albeit simple definition are those who voted for Obama in 2012. So in fairness I should say that GBfan despises 25-51% of the population.

 

[Texas_tea]

That of course would depend on how "liberals" are defined. My albeit simple definition are those who voted for Obama in 2012. So in fairness I should say that GBfan despises 25-51% of the population.

Moderates are also in that category. They make up about 35% of the population with conservatives making up about 40%.

I don't think it would be entirely accurate to say that all who voted for Obama are liberals. Certainly many moderates and even some conservatives voted for him as well.

However, liberalism is viewed by most conservatives as an extreme ideology. Liberalism falls far left on the political scale. The opposite end of where our Founding Fathers are on the scale.

IMO .... if you appreciate and support the US Constitution then naturally you would despise it's enemies.

Progressiveism, Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, Marxism ... however you want to describe the extreme left, is in opposition to our Founding Fathers and are the enemy to the Freedom and Liberties we all enjoy as American citizens and should be despised!

 

[GBFan]

That of course would depend on how "liberals" are defined. My albeit simple definition are those who voted for Obama in 2012. So in fairness I should say that GBfan despises 25-51% of the population.

How can you 'despise' somebody who has been lied to, misled, coerced, blackmailed, and bribed ?

I don't despise those who voted for Obama ... I mourn their their gullibility, but I don't despise them.

Now, those who continue to pretend that this regime is doing positive things for the betterment of this country, those that are so married to their ideology that they refuse to see, or refuse to recognize, the catastrophic damage being done ... those I despise.

 

[Texas_tea]

Now, those who continue to pretend that this regime is doing positive things for the betterment of this country, those that are so married to their ideology that they refuse to see, or refuse to recognize, the catastrophic damage being done ... those I despise.

Thus is the mind of a person who is unable to think for themselves!

Thus is the mind of a person who is NOT a Free Thinking man!

Thus is the mind of a Liberal!

Thus is the Sheeple that the Democratic Party seeks and IS successfully exploiting!

 

[Lagboltz]

Moderates are also in that category. They make up about 35% of the population with conservatives making up about 40%.

I don't think it would be entirely accurate to say that all who voted for Obama are liberals. Certainly many moderates and even some conservatives voted for him as well.

However, liberalism is viewed by most conservatives as an extreme ideology. Liberalism falls far left on the political scale. The opposite end of where our Founding Fathers are on the scale.

IMO .... if you appreciate and support the US Constitution then naturally you would despise it's enemies.

Progressiveism, Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, Marxism ... however you want to describe the extreme left, is in opposition to our Founding Fathers and are the enemy to the Freedom and Liberties we all enjoy as American citizens and should be despised!

Again, the definition of liberalism and conservatism are subject to definition. The point about moderates voting for Obama is well taken, but also in determining political inclination children should not be included. What is the cut off age? Voting age? How about older non-voters, etc. So in my mind the question of percentage of who is what would have a high uncertainty.

I really wouldn't think there are many Americans that fall in the far left to the extent that they are Socialist or Communist ( I couldn't find any percentages). But those labels are applied by many conservatives to many Democrats from Obama on down.

The question is also confused by people like me being a fiscal conservative and a social liberal. Do you think that is extreme? As a liberal I consider the tea party as bordering on extreme right. So it seems that solid liberals and solid conservatives have quite different measurement scales as they judge each other.

 

[Texas_tea]

Again, the definition of liberalism and conservatism are subject to definition.

Actually ... the definition is clear. Many people associate themselves with these terms do not fit the "definition" as well as others who do fit this definition and are not aware of the reality of their own position.

I really wouldn't think there are many Americans that fall in the far left to the extent that they are Socialist or Communist ( I couldn't find any percentages). But those labels are applied by many conservatives to many Democrats from Obama on down.

There are not that many Americans that fall into that category. About 21% and again some of them do not realize the reality of what they are supporting!

The question is also confused by people like me being a fiscal conservative and a social liberal.

Actually .... less are"fiscally conservative" ... although I will agree with you on this point. More are socially conservative. I would assume this to be because less understand fiscal matters compared to those who understand social matters.

Do you think that is extreme?

No

As a liberal I consider the tea party as bordering on extreme right. So it seems that solid liberals and solid conservatives have quite different measurement scales as they judge each other.

This I see as extreme. The TEA Party is aligned with our Founding Fathers on the scale of left and right. There is no "different measurement" of the scales. The data is very conclusive.

Either you support what our Founding Fathers set-up or you do not. If you do not then you sit on the extreme left of the scale. Knowingly or not.

The data is clear. The Constitution is written in laymen terms. It is not subject to definition as liberals so often like to blur!

 

[Lagboltz]

Actually ... the definition is clear. Many people associate themselves with these terms do not fit the "definition" as well as others who do fit this definition and are not aware of the reality of their own position.

There are not that many Americans that fall into that category. About 21% and again some of them do not realize the reality of what they are supporting!

Actually .... less are"fiscally conservative" ... although I will agree with you on this point. More are socially conservative. I would assume this to be because less understand fiscal matters compared to those who understand social matters.

This I see as extreme. The TEA Party is aligned with our Founding Fathers on the scale of left and right. There is no "different measurement" of the scales. The data is very conclusive.

Either you support what our Founding Fathers set-up or you do not. If you do not then you sit on the extreme left of the scale. Knowingly or not.

The data is clear. The Constitution is written in laymen terms. It is not subject to definition as liberals so often like to blur!

You seem to be saying the definition of liberalism and conservationism is defined by referencing the Founding Fathers and the constitution. You seem to provide a measure, “either you support what our Founding Fathers set-up or you do not.” Yes/no. That statement allows no shades of gray in any area. If that's the case I would guess that a large majority is liberal. Probably all past presidents of both parties violated a strict interpretation to some extent.

The constitution is continually being blurred as the country changes it's mode from the rural majority of the founding fathers to an urban majority. Technology and society are continually changing. I would say that the constitution is staying fairly well intact despite those changes.

 

[GBFan]

You seem to be saying the definition of liberalism and conservationism is defined by referencing the Founding Fathers and the constitution. You seem to provide a measure, “either you support what our Founding Fathers set-up or you do not.” Yes/no. That statement allows no shades of gray in any area. If that's the case I would guess that a large majority is liberal. Probably all past presidents of both parties violated a strict interpretation to some extent.

The constitution is continually being blurred as the country changes it's mode from the rural majority of the founding fathers to an urban majority. Technology and society are continually changing. I would say that the constitution is staying fairly well intact despite those changes.

None of those influence the 'rightness' of the Constitution ... it does not change. There ARE no shades of gray. The changes in technology and society are simply an excuse to violate the precepts for personal gain, whether it be wealth or power.

 

[Texas_tea]

The constitution is continually being blurred as the country changes it's mode from the rural majority of the founding fathers to an urban majority. Technology and society are continually changing. I would say that the constitution is staying fairly well intact despite those changes.

This clearly reflects you lack of understanding of the Constitution. A "liberals" view ... if you will.

Remember those "Amendments" we learned about in grade school? Well, the Constitution can be changed lawfully as times, attitudes, technology or whatever changes.

This is why a strict interpretation is important.

As far as the Constitution staying intact .... maybe you should talk to some of the lawful gun owners in places like Connecticut, Illinois, etc about their 2nd Amendment Right.

Maybe you could explain why one has to waive their 4th Amendment Rights in order to sign up for Obamacare.

Maybe you should talk to the guy who know body has heard of who made the anti-islam video which no one saw that Obama blamed the Benghazi attack on and threw his ass in jail which I think he is still there, about his 1st Amendment Rights.

Maybe you can explain how the NDAA that was signed into law by Obama is Constitutional .....

I can literal go on for hours with this but, I am sure you get my point.

Anything that does not strictly support the US Constitution, especially the first ten amendments known as our Bill of Rights would be considered an enemy to the Constitution and to the Freedom and Liberties of all American citizens.

I don't see how one could intellectually consider them selves a liberal and support the Constitution at the same time.

 

[Lagboltz]

This clearly reflects you lack of understanding of the Constitution. A "liberals" view ... if you will.

Remember those "Amendments" we learned about in grade school? Well, the Constitution can be changed lawfully as times, attitudes, technology or whatever changes.

This is why a strict interpretation is important.

As far as the Constitution staying intact .... maybe you should talk to some of the lawful gun owners in places like Connecticut, Illinois, etc about their 2nd Amendment Right.

Maybe you could explain why one has to waive their 4th Amendment Rights in order to sign up for Obamacare.

Maybe you should talk to the guy who know body has heard of who made the anti-islam video which no one saw that Obama blamed the Benghazi attack on and threw his ass in jail which I think he is still there, about his 1st Amendment Rights.

Maybe you can explain how the NDAA that was signed into law by Obama is Constitutional .....

I can literal go on for hours with this but, I am sure you get my point.

Anything that does not strictly support the US Constitution, especially the first ten amendments known as our Bill of Rights would be considered an enemy to the Constitution and to the Freedom and Liberties of all American citizens.

I don't see how one could intellectually consider them selves a liberal and support the Constitution at the same time.

According to recent polls job approval of Obama is 43%. Those people don't support the constitution.

Of the 53.2% who disapprove, how many support NDAA, support ObamaCare, support the patriot act, want some sort of gun control? The list goes on. If you constructed a Venn diagram of the people that do not support the constitution in some form or another it will be certainly larger than the 43% who support Obama.

As you “literally go on for hours” showing different categories of the lack of support for the constitution, you will find that the number of people that fall in those categories grows larger and larger.

If that is your definition of liberals, I think you will find that liberals are much much larger than the 24% you said it was. If you want strict constitutionalism, as the measure for liberalism I have no argument. But you will find that a large majority are liberal by that definition.

What does this mean? Nothing. This minor digression from the OP supports my assertion that BushFan has a lot of liberals to hate since he says there are no shades of gray in support of the constitution.

 

[GBFan]

What does this mean? Nothing. This minor digression from the OP supports my assertion that BushFan has a lot of liberals to hate since he says there are no shades of gray in support of the constitution.

LOL --- see how you let your prejudices get in the way of coherent thought???? How willing you are to jump to conclusions based on your jaundiced view of reality?

I am NO George Bush fan ....

BUT ... I am a Green Bay Fan, having grown up 90 miles from the center of the universe, better known as Lambeau Field.

I expect an apology.

 

[Texas_tea]

According to recent polls job approval of Obama is 43%. Those people don't support the constitution.

Of the 53.2% who disapprove, how many support NDAA, support ObamaCare, support the patriot act, want some sort of gun control? The list goes on. If you constructed a Venn diagram of the people that do not support the constitution in some form or another it will be certainly larger than the 43% who support Obama.

As you “literally go on for hours” showing different categories of the lack of support for the constitution, you will find that the number of people that fall in those categories grows larger and larger.

If that is your definition of liberals, I think you will find that liberals are much much larger than the 24% you said it was. If you want strict constitutionalism, as the measure for liberalism I have no argument. But you will find that a large majority are liberal by that definition.

What does this mean? Nothing. This minor digression from the OP supports my assertion that BushFan has a lot of liberals to hate since he says there are no shades of gray in support of the constitution.

I do not put much faith in "polls" however, a recent gallup poll states that only 21% of Americans consider themselves "liberal".

But, that is beside the point. Those who blindly support Obama and his anti-American, unConstitutional polices are supporting Marxism, whether they understand their position or not.

Some do .... many of the Obama supporters in Detroit, Atlanta, New Orleans, etc. believe this Country's Founding is racist and that the Constitution is racist and that Obama needs to do away with it.

Go to some of the news sites in these cities and read the comment sections.

And of course some do not realize they are supporting Marxism. These people are what Vladimir Lenin coined as useful idiots.

 

[Lagboltz]

LOL --- see how you let your prejudices get in the way of coherent thought???? How willing you are to jump to conclusions based on your jaundiced view of reality?

I am NO George Bush fan ....

BUT ... I am a Green Bay Fan, having grown up 90 miles from the center of the universe, better known as Lambeau Field.

I expect an apology.

I offer my sincere apologies. You have to understand that this is a political forum where GB has a very common meaning. If this were a sports forum, there would be little ambiguity. I'm no spectator sports fan and always thought of them as the “Green Bay Packers.” If you wanted that to be clear you would have used GBP for this forum on politics. But that wouldn't give you a chance to gloat would it.