When did people stop living unto they were 800 + years old?

[TheJPRD]

God, what Senator McCarthy did to the American mind! Obviously the American right, like the German right, , is illiterate and ignorant of history, but what groups hasn't it hated and wanted to wipe out? And as for this naive bilge about Hitler's being a SOCIALIST just because he used the word, don't you nutters realise that no party openly supporting capitalism could have got anywhere in the Germany it had ruined? Do you weirdoes really think Krupp and the rest of German big business were in favour of transferring power to the working class? You are out of your tiny minds! They supported Hitler because their profits were more important than mere Jews, as you know. It is because the Senator stopped you thinking for a century, so that you believe that the State, the capitalist state, controlled totally by capitalists in the interests of capitalism is somehow 'socialist'. What can educated people say in the light of such total mental vacuity? You are ruled by your masters, and you obey them, like all your peasant ancestors from Lower Slobovia, let's face it! 'Freedom' my American elbow!

People of intelligence will recognize the following political positions as comparable to those held by the American left:

The party supports the abolition of all income obtained without labor or effort.

The party supports the total confiscation of all war profits.

The party supports the nationalization of all enterprises converted into corporations.

The party supports profit sharing in large enterprises.

The party supports the large-scale development of old-age pension schemes.

The party supports the creation and maintenance of a sound middle class.

The party supports the immediate communalization of the large department stores, which are to be leased to small tradesmen.

The party supports land reform in accordance with our national needs and a law for expropriation without compensation of land for public purposes.

The party supports the abolition of land rent and prevention of all speculation in land.

The party supports raising the level of national health by means of mother-and-child care, the banning of juvenile labor, achievement of physical fitness through legislation for compulsory gymnastics and sports, and maximum support for all organizations providing physical training for young people.

The party supports laws to fight against deliberate political lies and their dissemination by the press.

The party supports the creation of a strong central authority <in the country>.

The party supports the unquestioned authority of the central <government> over the entire <nation> and over its organizations in general.

Sounds like the Democrat party to me! However, the positions were those expressed by a different party in a different country. The above positions are taken directly from THE PROGRAM OF THE NATIONAL-SOCIALIST (NAZI) GERMAN WORKER'S PARTY platform!!!

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck......... chances are it's a duck. It's not America's conservatives who practice Nazi tactics, it's the leftist-Democrat party that does! This lesson is over!

 

[Iolo2]

People of intelligence will recognize the following political positions as comparable to those held by the American left:

The party supports the abolition of all income obtained without labor or effort.

The party supports the total confiscation of all war profits.

The party supports the nationalization of all enterprises converted into corporations.

The party supports profit sharing in large enterprises.

The party supports the large-scale development of old-age pension schemes.

The party supports the creation and maintenance of a sound middle class.

The party supports the immediate communalization of the large department stores, which are to be leased to small tradesmen.

The party supports land reform in accordance with our national needs and a law for expropriation without compensation of land for public purposes.

The party supports the abolition of land rent and prevention of all speculation in land.

The party supports raising the level of national health by means of mother-and-child care, the banning of juvenile labor, achievement of physical fitness through legislation for compulsory gymnastics and sports, and maximum support for all organizations providing physical training for young people.

The party supports laws to fight against deliberate political lies and their dissemination by the press.

The party supports the creation of a strong central authority <in the country>.

The party supports the unquestioned authority of the central <government> over the entire <nation> and over its organizations in general.

Sounds like the Democrat party to me! However, the positions were those expressed by a different party in a different country. The above positions are taken directly from THE PROGRAM OF THE NATIONAL-SOCIALIST (NAZI) GERMAN WORKER'S PARTY platform!!!

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck......... chances are it's a duck. It's not America's conservatives who practice Nazi tactics, it's the leftist-Democrat party that does! This lesson is over!

You talking about the nazis? You believe nazis then? As with all capitalists, what they said was to do with getting support, not what they intended. As with all capitalists, they would kill anyone or anyone to save their profits, and lie as a matter of course, like Bush and so many of your politicians. Aren't you people incredibly silly!

 

[TheJPRD]

You talking about the nazis? You believe nazis then? As with all capitalists, what they said was to do with getting support, not what they intended. As with all capitalists, they would kill anyone or anyone to save their profits, and lie as a matter of course, like Bush and so many of your politicians. Aren't you people incredibly silly!

Time for another lesson already? As usual, the leftist misses the point. Of course we conservatives do NOT believe Nazis. That was my point. Like the Nazi party, the leftist-Democrat party isn't telling the truth either. The entire purpose of their lies is to hoodwink the "useful idiots" who vote for them and keep them in power. Should the leftwing in America obtain absolute power, they'd start getting rid of the dummies who voted for them, for most of their constituencies are unproductive losers! We conservatives understand this, which is why we demand strict adherence to our Constitution's original intent. The Constitution is the only barrier that can protect citizens from those who'd VOTE to steal the properties that decent citizens have worked to obtain! That same Constitution to which we conservatives pledge our adherence also protects society's losers from right-wing excesses. It's America's left that ignores our Constitution, and bastardizes its original intent. The left is the danger, SILLY, not the American right!

 

[PLC1]

Time for another lesson already? As usual, the leftist misses the point. Of course we conservatives do NOT believe Nazis. That was my point. Like the Nazi party, the leftist-Democrat party isn't telling the truth either. The entire purpose of their lies is to hoodwink the "useful idiots" who vote for them and keep them in power. Should the leftwing in America obtain absolute power, they'd start getting rid of the dummies who voted for them, for most of their constituencies are unproductive losers! We conservatives understand this, which is why we demand strict adherence to our Constitution's original intent. The Constitution is the only barrier that can protect citizens from those who'd VOTE to steal the properties that decent citizens have worked to obtain! That same Constitution to which we conservatives pledge our adherence also protects society's losers from right-wing excesses. It's America's left that ignores our Constitution, and bastardizes its original intent. The left is the danger, SILLY, not the American right!

So, according to your definition of conservatism, a strict interpretation of the Constitution is a conservative position.

Is that correct?

Where does a true conservative stand on issues like:

gay marriage
the war on drugs
the Patriot Act
indefinite detention of terrorist suspects

in your opinion?

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

I love the way americans think hitler was a socialist because his party was calked national socialist

It shows just how ignorant they are

And as for jprd's assertion that the nazis were racist scum who tried to obliterate a race based on their ethnicity...How is the US any better?

It tried to do the same thing to steal land (and obliterate a race etc)

Is that a better kind of genocide in retardlican land?

At least the Germans didn't make entertainment films years later about how the poor Germans were persecuted by the Jews

This board shows really clearly why the retardlican party is in so much trouble


Most of its supporters are not on planet earth

 

[Iolo2]

Time for another lesson already? As usual, the leftist misses the point. Of course we conservatives do NOT believe Nazis. That was my point. Like the Nazi party, the leftist-Democrat party isn't telling the truth either. The entire purpose of their lies is to hoodwink the "useful idiots" who vote for them and keep them in power. Should the leftwing in America obtain absolute power, they'd start getting rid of the dummies who voted for them, for most of their constituencies are unproductive losers! We conservatives understand this, which is why we demand strict adherence to our Constitution's original intent. The Constitution is the only barrier that can protect citizens from those who'd VOTE to steal the properties that decent citizens have worked to obtain! That same Constitution to which we conservatives pledge our adherence also protects society's losers from right-wing excesses. It's America's left that ignores our Constitution, and bastardizes its original intent. The left is the danger, SILLY, not the American right!

Well, I'm not an American, and it is difficult to enter into a thoughtworld in which either of your parties is 'left' in normal terms, but I don't, on the other hand, see either getting away with complete lies after the high nazi fashion. You need a real, serious crisis to produce that, not a manufactured one.

 

[dogtowner]

Well, I'm not an American, and it is difficult to enter into a thoughtworld in which either of your parties is 'left' in normal terms, but I don't, on the other hand, see either getting away with complete lies after the high nazi fashion. You need a real, serious crisis to produce that, not a manufactured one.

the current administration has been getting away with complete lies for 4+ years. so long as you're buying complacence it works. much as it did in Nazi Germany.

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

Unlike the bush administration of course

They didn't lie and a million Iraqis didn't pay with their lives

In redacted retardlican history

 

[Gipper]

Oh and Gipper, unlike you right wingers I don't run to the mods when you insult me

personal attack removed

You think I ran to the mods....just more proof of your inability to think.

 

[TheJPRD]

So, according to your definition of conservatism, a strict interpretation of the Constitution is a conservative position. Is that correct?

You’re pursuing a very interesting and relevant train-of-thought! Replying to you in a meaningful way doesn’t lend itself to simple “sound bites”. Nevertheless, I’ll take a shot at what I think you’re asking.
As you’re aware, you can ask 10 different people to define “liberal”, or “conservative”, or “progressive”, etc., and get 10 different definitions of each term. When I use the term “true conservative”, I’m describing one who believes that the Constitution as it was originally written is the basis of all law. My understanding of the Constitution’s original intent comes not only from the Constitutional document itself, but from writings of the founders such as the Federalist papers, philosophical writings of the time period, the historical conduct of our founders, etc. Putting all of these things into a “whole” provides a pretty clear idea of what our nation was intended to be.
Our federal government was intended to possess very restricted powers. Governmental powers were intended to be held by those officials at the most-local level; i.e., city, town, village, etc. Those local governments could not create rules or laws that violated the individual rights and Federal powers that are specifically defined in the Constitution. Given those restrictions, however, local governance had extensive authority.

Where does a true conservative stand on issues like: in your opinion?

Remembering that there’s no dictionary definition of the term “true conservative”, the positions on the issues you listed are mine alone, but are based upon extensive study of the Constitution and the sources I noted earlier.

gay marriage

A “true conservative” would oppose any imposition upon any religion to perform gay marriages, and would oppose any and all Federal-Government involvement in the issue. At the same time, we’d support a right of same-sex persons to enter into a contract that’s comparable to a marriage contract; i.e., protecting the inheritance rights, property rights, etc. of the individuals involved. We would not oppose local officials in communities who performed what they called “marriages” as a matter of “ceremony”, with the additional guarantee of a contract. We would support child adoption by such couples too, as long as the adoptions were overseen by local government, not at higher levels. Other citizens of the same local community would have the choice to socially accept or reject same-sex partners as part of their cultural activities with no governmental interference in their personal decision.

the war on drugs

A “true conservative” would oppose any Federal attempt to pass and enforce laws restricting drug use. Local governments could either permit or outlaw drugs as they saw fit. However, no law, Federal, State, or local could mandate that other citizens pay for physical or mental damages occurring to those who chose to use drugs. Any monetary assistance they’d receive would have to be the result of the welfare of willing citizens.

the Patriot Act

The Patriot Act contains various provisions, and an answer applying to it as a “whole” can’t be given in a meaningful way.

indefinite detention of terrorist suspects

A “true conservative” would apply the general rules of war in this matter. If a terrorist suspect is captured on the battlefield in obvious conflict against US troops, he’d be treated as a prisoner of war. As such, he could be held as long as the conflict in which he participated is concluded. There’d be no time-restriction on the time he could be held. As long as his cohorts continued the “war”, he’d be sitting in prison awaiting the outcome. Those non-citizen suspects captured on US soil in civilian clothing could be treated as “spies”, tried by military authorities, and if convicted, they could be imprisoned or executed. US citizens captured on US soil, would be handled within the regular US Judicial system. Depending upon the specific charge, they could be tried for anything from theft to treason to murder, etc. Indefinite detention cannot be an option for this last class of persons, and US Constitutional guarantees of a speedy trial etc. would apply.

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

Obviously you don't need to prove that a terrorist is a terrorist

Then you can lock loads of brown skinned people up for years without trial

People who have committed no crimes

But in the land of the free that is fine

Because true conservatives have no respect for equality, freedom of speech, the rule of law etc

They are a bunch of animals who haven't come down from the trees and so still seek to apply the laws of the jungle

Except most of them are the snakes blindly following the rules of the mongoose

Fortunately the world continues to move to the left as sane people realise that compassion for one's fellow man is actually a really good thing

 

[TheJPRD]

Obviously you don't need to prove that a terrorist is a terrorist

Then you can lock loads of brown skinned people up for years without trial

People who have committed no crimes

But in the land of the free that is fine

Because true conservatives have no respect for equality, freedom of speech, the rule of law etc

They are a bunch of animals who haven't come down from the trees and so still seek to apply the laws of the jungle

Except most of them are the snakes blindly following the rules of the mongoose

Fortunately the world continues to move to the left as sane people realise that compassion for one's fellow man is actually a really good thing

Our resident bigot says that America locks up brown-skin people who've committed no crimes.

Our resident bigot says that Conservative Americans have no respect for equality, freedom of speech, and the rule of law.

Our resident bigot says that conservative Americans are animals living in trees.

Our resident bigot says that Conservative Americans are snakes.

Since I'm a Conservative American, as are many others here, I think we've just been "personally attacked"..... by a brainless, leftwing Bigot with delusions of adequacy.

 

[Iolo2]

Our resident bigot says that America locks up brown-skin people who've committed no crimes.

Our resident bigot says that Conservative Americans have no respect for equality, freedom of speech, and the rule of law.

Our resident bigot says that conservative Americans are animals living in trees.

Our resident bigot says that Conservative Americans are snakes.

Since I'm a Conservative American, as are many others here, I think we've just been "personally attacked"..... by a brainless, leftwing Bigot with delusions of adequacy.

'Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names can never hurt me'. It is fascinating to see an American extremist calling other people bigots. If they would stop murdering others, people might listen to them sometimes, if only for the laughs.

 

[PLC1]

You’re pursuing a very interesting and relevant train-of-thought! Replying to you in a meaningful way doesn’t lend itself to simple “sound bites”. Nevertheless, I’ll take a shot at what I think you’re asking.
As you’re aware, you can ask 10 different people to define “liberal”, or “conservative”, or “progressive”, etc., and get 10 different definitions of each term. When I use the term “true conservative”, I’m describing one who believes that the Constitution as it was originally written is the basis of all law. My understanding of the Constitution’s original intent comes not only from the Constitutional document itself, but from writings of the founders such as the Federalist papers, philosophical writings of the time period, the historical conduct of our founders, etc. Putting all of these things into a “whole” provides a pretty clear idea of what our nation was intended to be.
Our federal government was intended to possess very restricted powers. Governmental powers were intended to be held by those officials at the most-local level; i.e., city, town, village, etc. Those local governments could not create rules or laws that violated the individual rights and Federal powers that are specifically defined in the Constitution. Given those restrictions, however, local governance had extensive authority.

Remembering that there’s no dictionary definition of the term “true conservative”, the positions on the issues you listed are mine alone, but are based upon extensive study of the Constitution and the sources I noted earlier.


A “true conservative” would oppose any imposition upon any religion to perform gay marriages, and would oppose any and all Federal-Government involvement in the issue. At the same time, we’d support a right of same-sex persons to enter into a contract that’s comparable to a marriage contract; i.e., protecting the inheritance rights, property rights, etc. of the individuals involved. We would not oppose local officials in communities who performed what they called “marriages” as a matter of “ceremony”, with the additional guarantee of a contract. We would support child adoption by such couples too, as long as the adoptions were overseen by local government, not at higher levels. Other citizens of the same local community would have the choice to socially accept or reject same-sex partners as part of their cultural activities with no governmental interference in their personal decision.

A “true conservative” would oppose any Federal attempt to pass and enforce laws restricting drug use. Local governments could either permit or outlaw drugs as they saw fit. However, no law, Federal, State, or local could mandate that other citizens pay for physical or mental damages occurring to those who chose to use drugs. Any monetary assistance they’d receive would have to be the result of the welfare of willing citizens.

The Patriot Act contains various provisions, and an answer applying to it as a “whole” can’t be given in a meaningful way.

A “true conservative” would apply the general rules of war in this matter. If a terrorist suspect is captured on the battlefield in obvious conflict against US troops, he’d be treated as a prisoner of war. As such, he could be held as long as the conflict in which he participated is concluded. There’d be no time-restriction on the time he could be held. As long as his cohorts continued the “war”, he’d be sitting in prison awaiting the outcome. Those non-citizen suspects captured on US soil in civilian clothing could be treated as “spies”, tried by military authorities, and if convicted, they could be imprisoned or executed. US citizens captured on US soil, would be handled within the regular US Judicial system. Depending upon the specific charge, they could be tried for anything from theft to treason to murder, etc. Indefinite detention cannot be an option for this last class of persons, and US Constitutional guarantees of a speedy trial etc. would apply.

I think your definition of conservative and mine are very much alike.

 

[dogtowner]

'Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names can never hurt me'. It is fascinating to see an American extremist calling other people bigots. If they would stop murdering others, people might listen to them sometimes, if only for the laughs.

whereever you are from has murders. its not unique to America.
and you clearly are bigotted against America if nothing else. mist every one of your posts demonstrste.

pretending that your hands are clean by virtue of citizenship is just amazingly silly for cadting a blind eye st your own