What is the Trinity?

[pocketfullofshells]

I admit that I don't know God's overall plan. I, nor any other human being, know when or why God did this or that. Personally, I don't care. I don't try to explain how He works His will or why. What I do know is this: When I read the words of Christ, I see beauty and decency! His love towards all of humanity is obvious! I see nothing in Christ's teachings with which a person of good-will could intelligently disagree. There may be evil people who claim to be Christian. If they are indeed evil people, they are NOT obeying the teachings of Christ!

You can argue unimportant little terms and religious dogmas, and you can impune the apparent inconsistencies all you want. Such arguments, however, are meaningless in the whole scheme of things. The teachings of Christ are pure truths that are uncontestable by people of good will and worthy intentions. If you want to debate the teachings of Christ, you'll be hard-pressed defending positions that oppose them! You should concentrate on the really important things, not those that are irrelevant.

Jesus's "sacrifice" is now something that is not important? Seems to me what your saying is, don't bother with details and questioning things...just believe it and ignore anything that does not make sense to you. Also while you may see that Beauty and decency and love of all humanity when you see the bible...when I see a large chunk of his Followers I see none of those things...I see hate, intolerance, and I don't see a love of Humanity...I see a love of only people who are like them...Not from the US...don't care...wrong Religion..don't care....Even your own post without thinking I am sure...basically says that all Jews, Muslims, Buddhist, Hindu...are not of good will or worthy intentions....When my sis tried to go to church with a friend of ours to give it a try as it was important to her friend...my sister was basically called a idiot for not believing by the priest...I have gone quite a few times with my Fiancée...more then a few times indirectly I have called cold hearted and basically told I would burn in hell...Oddly not the best way to bring people into a church...

Sometimes it think Christians , at least here, think to much about others..and don't do enough looking at them self and what they present to others...because its often not love, and any of that.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

has to do with the nature of the Trinity seperate, distinct but one.

sounds like a nice way to just try to explain without having to explain anything...Just pick the way that fits for any moment and have it fit anything you want...I am not saying you made it that way, I am saying overall that idea is.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

said he was the Messiah a thread in and of itself.

David Koresh said he was the Mesiah...so do lots of people...don't see how it changes the fact that if he was , and died....he was still god after...

 

[Cruella]

sounds like a nice way to just try to explain without having to explain anything...Just pick the way that fits for any moment and have it fit anything you want...I am not saying you made it that way, I am saying overall that idea is.

You don't get it, and that's why your not a Christian. Understanding it is not something someone can explain to you nor can you read it in a book and understand it. It's beyond you.

 

[dogtowner]

sounds like a nice way to just try to explain without having to explain anything...Just pick the way that fits for any moment and have it fit anything you want...I am not saying you made it that way, I am saying overall that idea is.

perhaps butt it does fulfill anciemt prophesy and.in a way no one can mistake (yet the jews managed to do so for reasons of their own).

 

[TheJPRD]

Jesus's "sacrifice" is now something that is not important?

Can you read? Can you understand the English language? My guess is that you're just muddying the water again to avoid a serious discussion.... typical leftist tactic! My post to which you replied above was in response to YOU saying,

"and at what point did Jesus say I am god, but for a few days I will not be and you can beat me and kill me and all that?"

THAT's what I said is irrelevant, NOT Jesus' sacrifice! What's irrelevant is "at what point He said it"! Christ did endure great pain and suffering as a human being! That IS sacrifice, especially for a divinity who could have easily avoided all that pain and suffering! You should try thinking before speaking, it's a very wise thing to do!

Seems to me what your saying is, don't bother with details and questioning things...just believe it and ignore anything that does not make sense to you.

When the "details" include something as irrelevant as WHEN Christ decided to allow Himself to be tortured and executed, rather than the FACT that He WAS tortured and executed, yes, I'm saying the WHEN part is not important! You're like a person who'd remind us that Adolph Hitler made German trains run on time and built the Autobahn. Are those facts important? You'd probably say that they were. I, on the other hand, would say they're "Irrelevant", given the fact the he also murdered 6 million Jews! Get your priorities straight!

Also while you may see that Beauty and decency and love of all humanity when you see the bible...when I see a large chunk of his Followers I see none of those things...I see hate, intolerance, and I don't see a love of Humanity...I see a love of only people who are like them.

I'm quickly concluding that you can't read and understand English! In My post to which you're referring, I specifically said, "There may be evil people who claim to be Christian. If they are indeed evil people, they are NOT obeying the teachings of Christ!" Get it??? If there are people claiming to be Christians who don't live their lives in accordance with Christ's teachings, it's THEY who are to blame, NOT Christianity, and certainly not Christ Himself! As is typical of the left, you blame entire groups of human beings for the behavior of individuals. That's called "bigotry"!!

..Not from the US...don't care...wrong Religion..don't care....Even your own post without thinking I am sure...basically says that all Jews, Muslims, Buddhist, Hindu...are not of good will or worthy intentions

Now I'm certain that you can't read and understand English! I said nothing of the kind. The ONLY person here who's condemning an entire religion rather than bad individuals within that religion is YOU! We Conservatives look at individual behavior. Unlike the American Left, we don't condemn entire groups because of the behavior of individuals!

But its also less of a Sacrifice when your god and you decided all the events to unfold and made them happen.

Christ was cruelly tortured and executed as a human being. The pain He suffered was real. You should try being beaten, tortured, and crucified on a cross yourself sometime. THEN you can tell us that it was "less of a Sacrifice"!

 

[Johnny Tremain]

David Koresh said he was the Mesiah(sic)...so do lots of people...don't see how it changes the fact that if he was , and died....he was still god after...

Now --THERE'S an Obama analog--if I ever saw one!

 

[pocketfullofshells]

perhaps butt it does fulfill anciemt prophesy and.in a way no one can mistake (yet the jews managed to do so for reasons of their own).

you mean everyone on earth other then Christians managed to do so.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

Can you read? Can you understand the English language? My guess is that you're just muddying the water again to avoid a serious discussion.... typical leftist tactic! My post to which you replied above was in response to YOU saying, THAT's what I said is irrelevant, NOT Jesus' sacrifice! What's irrelevant is "at what point He said it"! Christ did endure great pain and suffering as a human being! That IS sacrifice, especially for a divinity who could have easily avoided all that pain and suffering! You should try thinking before speaking, it's a very wise thing to do!



When the "details" include something as irrelevant as WHEN Christ decided to allow Himself to be tortured and executed, rather than the FACT that He WAS tortured and executed, yes, I'm saying the WHEN part is not important! You're like a person who'd remind us that Adolph Hitler made German trains run on time and built the Autobahn. Are those facts important? You'd probably say that they were. I, on the other hand, would say they're "Irrelevant", given the fact the he also murdered 6 million Jews! Get your priorities straight!



I'm quickly concluding that you can't read and understand English! In My post to which you're referring, I specifically said, "There may be evil people who claim to be Christian. If they are indeed evil people, they are NOT obeying the teachings of Christ!" Get it??? If there are people claiming to be Christians who don't live their lives in accordance with Christ's teachings, it's THEY who are to blame, NOT Christianity, and certainly not Christ Himself! As is typical of the left, you blame entire groups of human beings for the behavior of individuals. That's called "bigotry"!!



Now I'm certain that you can't read and understand English! I said nothing of the kind. The ONLY person here who's condemning an entire religion rather than bad individuals within that religion is YOU! We Conservatives look at individual behavior. Unlike the American Left, we don't condemn entire groups because of the behavior of individuals!



Christ was cruelly tortured and executed as a human being. The pain He suffered was real. You should try being beaten, tortured, and crucified on a cross yourself sometime. THEN you can tell us that it was "less of a Sacrifice"!

First your the one the said you don't care" Personally, I don't care" so...I would take this not caring..as meaning it does not matter...But I guess its just very important but you don't care anyway?

In no way did I condemn a whole Religion...And your "we don't condemn whole groups" statement is pure Bullshit...ask any American Muslim ...the Mosques around the US that have been protested and had people try to stop them from building...because of there Bias...And then you pull the great move of attacking the Entire Left...If you could find a way to be more of a Hypocrite I fail to see it.

And torturing someone who choose to be tortured...and when done becomes a All Powerfull God? Must be a tough call. I don't think it would be hard to find people willing to die that way, if they knew the result was them being a God...People suffer more all the time...And they don't get to be Gods after.

But overall its nice to see you guys can't seem to talk about your Faith without crying and yelling that someone who asks a Question you can't really respond to. Maybe its what happens to you when your Faith is skin deep or just when your so locked into believing any part of it without thought that you can't actually explain in any way...because in your mind...you just believe it...and thats all ...and can't grasp the idea that someone else does not just take it on Faith.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

Now --THERE'S an Obama analog--if I ever saw one!

Are you suggesting that David Koresh was the Messiah? If you have a point in there, I fail to see it..

 

[TheJPRD]

First your the one the said you don't care" Personally, I don't care" so...I would take this not caring..as meaning it does not matter...But I guess its just very important but you don't care anyway?

In no way did I condemn a whole Religion...And your "we don't condemn whole groups" statement is pure Bullshit...ask any American Muslim ...the Mosques around the US that have been protested and had people try to stop them from building...because of there Bias...And then you pull the great move of attacking the Entire Left...If you could find a way to be more of a Hypocrite I fail to see it.

And torturing someone who choose to be tortured...and when done becomes a All Powerfull God? Must be a tough call. I don't think it would be hard to find people willing to die that way, if they knew the result was them being a God...People suffer more all the time...And they don't get to be Gods after.

But overall its nice to see you guys can't seem to talk about your Faith without crying and yelling that someone who asks a Question you can't really respond to. Maybe its what happens to you when your Faith is skin deep or just when your so locked into believing any part of it without thought that you can't actually explain in any way...because in your mind...you just believe it...and thats all ...and can't grasp the idea that someone else does not just take it on Faith.

Isn't this sad! Honestly, what can you say to this person when he makes the above statements after "supposedly" reading my post #96? Not one thing he says above reflects what I said in my post. What's the point of trying to communicate with someone who totally ignores everything you actually say? Waste of time!

 

[dogtowner]

Isn't this sad! Honestly, what can you say to this person when he makes the above statements after "supposedly" reading my post #96? Not one thing he says above reflects what I said in my post. What's the point of trying to communicate with someone who totally ignores everything you actually say? Waste of time!

to show others the differences

 

[pocketfullofshells]

Isn't this sad! Honestly, what can you say to this person when he makes the above statements after "supposedly" reading my post #96? Not one thing he says above reflects what I said in my post. What's the point of trying to communicate with someone who totally ignores everything you actually say? Waste of time!

man that would be sad, what would I do if you did not post to me? my life would be worthless ahhhh!
give up then, I guess I just can't talk slow enough and down enough for you to understand.

 

[TheJPRD]

man that would be sad, what would I do if you did not post to me? my life would be worthless ahhhh! give up then, I guess I just can't talk slow enough and down enough for you to understand.

I purposefully boldened and underlined Pocket's quote above. He tends to cry and whine to moderators when he thinks he's been attacked. Before I cause him to whine and cry again, I thought it wise to point out that he struck the first blow. He's personally attacked me several times now, but unlike him, I don't run crying for help! I'll handle this on my owm. An objective mind should conclude that all I'm doing here now is defending myself from HIS personal attack.

I'm sure pocket's life is worthless! That fact has nothing to do with my posts to him. Worthless people like Pockets cling to the Democrat party. They need leftwing government to GIVE them "worth", for they're incapable of succeeding on their own merits! I'm sure Pockets would be much happier if I didn't post replies to him. Leftists hate it when their idiocy is pointed-out to them in public. They'd much rather silence all opposition to their brainless, juvenile-minded babblings. Pockets LIED about about what I said in my post, expecting that folks would just believe him and ignore what I actually said. Pockets is like every other leftist, in that lies are the only way they can support their positions.

Pockets says that he has to "talk slow" and "down" to me so I'll "understand"???? To translate his comment, Pockets is saying that I'm too dumb to understand his "brilliant" arguments! I urge everyone to review the posts that Pockets has made and the posts that I and other Conservatives have made on this thread. Based on those posts, ask yourselves WHO doesn't understand! This is not a tough question, friends.

 

[Johnny Tremain]

The left--following closely National Socialist Democrat Worker's Party principles (notice how I thwarted Godwin there-- ~)
thinks that mere repetition of the same lies over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and again--will magically *make them true*.

The "left" as we know it today, is the product of brain-dead losers in colleges during the great increase in people "going to college"--and those who really had nothing to offer the world--became teachers--because it is the easiest pathway to graduate.

Anyone who does not know this--did not attend college anywhere.