What a sad, truly sad statement about our homophobic way of thinking!

[citizenzen]

What crap. The Bible was voted on in the Council of Nicea, they VOTED on what books would be put in.

Amen. The Bible is the result of much political wrangling. Anybody who takes a critical look knows that.

For those that don't wish to look critically into it, I guess that's why they call it faith.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

Mares are not exactly tranquil. If you knew horses you would know that they can be quite vicious. Mares like to kick and they are ruthless with their herdmates when establishing a pecking order. They are especially brutal to new members of the herd. I've seen some boss mares back a herd member up to a wall or fence and drop kick them within inches of their lives, pinning them up against the wall with no escape from pummeling hooves.

And as to your wishes, MT, of having a more serene existence masquerading as a female..lol...women are some of the most ruthless creatures there are. Whereas a man will punch you in the nose when he is mad at you and then buy you a drink the next day. A woman may smile at you and plot how to burn your house down or still carry a grudge ten years later, needling and undercutting you every chance she gets..

You need to study your genders a little better. I think "confused" is pretty much of an understatement to describe you.

More barnyard wisdumb, thanks a lot, Siho. I know what you say must be true because all of Americas commando teams are made up exclusively of women.

You're pretty short on astronomy too, I see.

Always has gone to bat for you, though his intent is fairly obscure at this point.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

Amen. The Bible is the result of much political wrangling. Anybody who takes a critical look knows that.

For those that don't wish to look critically into it, I guess that's why they call it faith.

Faith is what you have when you don't want the truth.

 

[citizenzen]

Faith is what you have when you don't want the truth.

Welllll... I'll quibble with you there.

I'm a Buddhist-Atheist and faith still plays a role in my life. It's not faith in a God or Savior, it's faith that doing the right thing... following the path... is the right way. There's no way to know, you have to have faith that it will take you where you want to go. Even in the midst of delusion and ego, you have to have faith that right thought, right effort, right action will clear away delusion and reveal enlightenment.

Let us rise up and be thankful,
for if we didn't learn a lot today,
at least we learned a little,
and if we didn't learn a little,
at least we didn't get sick,
and if we got sick,
at least we didn't die;
so, let us all be thankful.

~ Buddha​

 

[Pandora]

Faith is what you have when you don't want the truth.

What is the truth Mare?

 

[ASPCA4EVER]

Welllll... I'll quibble with you there.

I'm a Buddhist-Atheist and faith still plays a role in my life. It's not faith in a God or Savior, it's faith that doing the right thing... following the path... is the right way. There's no way to know, you have to have faith that it will take you where you want to go. Even in the midst of delusion and ego, you have to have faith that right thought, right effort, right action will clear away delusion and reveal enlightenment.

Let us rise up and be thankful,
for if we didn't learn a lot today,
at least we learned a little,
and if we didn't learn a little,
at least we didn't get sick,
and if we got sick,
at least we didn't die;
so, let us all be thankful.

~ Buddha
​

Quite right Citizenzen...wouldn't it be just the proper thing to do if we were judged purely on our ability to perform our 'JOBS', service to our country upon our effectiveness...not what we did in our own personal choices in the privacy of our bedrooms...but the 'GOOD RIGHT MINDED CHRISTIANS' just won't leave that alone...they want to control all aspects of our lives

 

[dogtowner]

You said that you had sources, but you don't do you? Oh well, I'm not surprised.

A good place for you to start your education would be THE MARRIAGE OF LIKENESS by John Boswell, on page xxvi you will find a list of 9 scholarly works detailing the marriage of gay people around the world. Another good one would be Thomas Sheehans THE FIRST COMING: How the Kingdom of God Became Christianity.

here is something one can actually see.

you can read the actual liturgy in question and see that it is not marriage.

a little more background is here.

The purpose of the adelphopoiesis ceremonies has become controversial since Boswell maintained that they were celebrating romantic, indeed sexual, unions between two men. It is worth noting that Boswell himself denies that adelphopoiesis should be properly translated as "homosexual marriage." He decries such a translation as "tendentiously slanted".[2] The Orthodox Church regards the ceremony as purely spiritual and indicating brotherhood.[1]

this is nothing more than the silly notions of animal homosexuality in animals being applied. if you want to see a bunny in a cloud, so you will.

 

[Sihouette]

Well back to the subject which is DADT. Mare, I've asked this elsewhere but how do you feel about eliminating separate living quarters for males and females in the military altogether?

Wouldn't the government save money not having to house men and women separately? This question is for ASPCA too and anyone else in favor of repealing DADT.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

What is the truth Mare?

Don't ask me, all I have is faith.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

here is something one can actually see.

you can read the actual liturgy in question and see that it is not marriage.

a little more background is here.



this is nothing more than the silly notions of animal homosexuality in animals being applied. if you want to see a bunny in a cloud, so you will.

In both of these cases I have actually read the works in question and you are quoting somebody else who is telling you what THEY think. This too is an example of poor education, you need to read widely rather than just accept what others tell you if it agrees with your preconceptions.

As far as animals and homosexuality goes I suggest you actually read a scientific work on the subject before you make up your mind. A good one, very complete with footnotes and sources, is the 800 page work by Bruch Bagemihl called BIOLOGICAL EXHUBERANCE: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity.

Please consider that people write books because what they have to say cannot be summed up in a sound bite.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

Well back to the subject which is DADT. Mare, I've asked this elsewhere but how do you feel about eliminating separate living quarters for males and females in the military altogether?

Wouldn't the government save money not having to house men and women separately? This question is for ASPCA too and anyone else in favor of repealing DADT.

No reason to do so. Gay men rarely rape straight guys, lesbians rarely rape anybody because they are all nearly equal in physical strength. Heterosexua men rape women a lot (3 out of 5 women will be assaulted her lifetime) because the men are vastly stronger and more sexually driven. Whereas not only will the gay men and women be physically equal to their straight roommates they will also be in a tiny minority, thus I suspect that enlightened self-interest will tend to keep them in line.

What about other countries where gay and straight soldiers serve together and there are no major problems?

 

[dogtowner]

In both of these cases I have actually read the works in question and you are quoting somebody else who is telling you what THEY think. This too is an example of poor education, you need to read widely rather than just accept what others tell you if it agrees with your preconceptions.

As far as animals and homosexuality goes I suggest you actually read a scientific work on the subject before you make up your mind. A good one, very complete with footnotes and sources, is the 800 page work by Bruch Bagemihl called BIOLOGICAL EXHUBERANCE: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity.

Please consider that people write books because what they have to say cannot be summed up in a sound bite.

I've read the research papers regarding animals so your book is a step away from the data an toward the spin the author wishes.

I read the rite, I read a number of articles trying to point it this way or that (the article I linked was actually attempting to support your take but failed.

you feel free to believe what you want and pretend to be whatever you wish to be but don't expect the rest of us to accept what you are personally and emotionally locked into.

 

[ASPCA4EVER]

Well back to the subject which is DADT. Mare, I've asked this elsewhere but how do you feel about eliminating separate living quarters for males and females in the military altogether?

Wouldn't the government save money not having to house men and women separately? This question is for ASPCA too and anyone else in favor of repealing DADT.

Certainly they would Siho...but if you've been living in a bubble where you haven't been paying any attention to the numerous accounts of rape by the heterosexuals upon the women serving in our military within the past 8 years then you just are simply ignoring the fact that you can't put hetero sexual men and women into a high stress environment and expect those men to behave has gentlemen...

So your simplistic idea of putting them in the same barracks would be a foolish as not understanding the 'male psych and the neanderthal mind set that is pervasive within those uniforms'...live isn't like the movies Siho...you can't pass out 'SALT PETER' like Prozac...well at least I don't think that the military is trying that 'YET'

 

[dogtowner]

Certainly they would Siho...but if you've been living in a bubble where you haven't been paying any attention to the numerous accounts of rape by the heterosexuals upon the women serving in our military within the past 8 years then you just are simply ignoring the fact that you can't put hetero sexual men and women into a high stress environment and expect those men to behave has gentlemen...

So your simplistic idea of putting them in the same barracks would be a foolish as not understanding the 'male psych and the neanderthal mind set that is pervasive within those uniforms'...live isn't like the movies Siho...you can't pass out 'SALT PETER' like Prozac...well at least I don't think that the military is trying that 'YET'

some actual data on rape...

posted earlier but since its come back up, offered again

In a 2006 survey of active-duty troops, 6.8 percent of women and 1.8 percent of men said they had experienced unwanted sexual contact in the previous 12 months. Since there are far more men than women in the services, that translates into roughly 22,000 men and 14,000 women.

 

[always]

Well back to the subject which is DADT. Mare, I've asked this elsewhere but how do you feel about eliminating separate living quarters for males and females in the military altogether?

Wouldn't the government save money not having to house men and women separately? This question is for ASPCA too and anyone else in favor of repealing DADT.

Description of homosexual conduct!! Conduct that is perverted sex and is an ABOMINATION!!

Abomination is defined as an action that is extremly disgusting and Hated!!

Now, as for homosexuals having separate living quarters , YES!! But these quarters would only house individuals ,not couples!! Individuals only who are
under treatment to cure their perversion. A great deal of planning would need to be done in setting up proper fitness facilities . The benefits to
society would be remarkable!All Procedures would be humane and result in no bodily or mental injury!