What a sad, truly sad statement about our homophobic way of thinking!

[dogtowner]

Citations please, on both Boswell and homosexuality in animals.

Boswell, already done.

Animals ? How about the homosexual penguins who reverted to normal when sent to another zoo.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

Boswell, already done.

Animals ? How about the homosexual penguins who reverted to normal when sent to another zoo.

Citations are not synopises done by you. Nor are they urban legends found on the internet. If you actually had any education on this subject you would know that many animals practice homosexual behavior for part of the year and heterosexual behavior for the other part. Some birds, geese especially, tend to mate for life and that includes gay pairs. Big horn sheep live in sex segregated herds except during mating season when some of the rams go with the ewes before returning to the all male herd and engaging in homosexual sex. What Bagemihl's book shows is that sex for procreation is only a small part of animal's sexuality--just as with people.

Religious judgment is nonsense.

 

[dogtowner]

Citations are not synopises done by you. Nor are they urban legends found on the internet. If you actually had any education on this subject you would know that many animals practice homosexual behavior for part of the year and heterosexual behavior for the other part. Some birds, geese especially, tend to mate for life and that includes gay pairs. Big horn sheep live in sex segregated herds except during mating season when some of the rams go with the ewes before returning to the all male herd and engaging in homosexual sex. What Bagemihl's book shows is that sex for procreation is only a small part of animal's sexuality--just as with people.

Religious judgment is nonsense.

the homosexuals I know dislike being compared with animals. animals act for very different reasons than humans. anyone who understands them at all realize this. anyone seeking valiation ill not.

dogs are not smiling, they just look that way.

humping among males is simple dominaton, establishing the peking order. I have a tortoise who does the same thing.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

the homosexuals I know dislike being compared with animals. animals act for very different reasons than humans. anyone who understands them at all realize this. anyone seeking valiation ill not.

dogs are not smiling, they just look that way.

humping among males is simple dominaton, establishing the peking order. I have a tortoise who does the same thing.

The more you explain the more clear your ignorance becomes. Read up on this subject before you debate it.

 

[dogtowner]

The more you explain the more clear your ignorance becomes. Read up on this subject before you debate it.

perhaps you are the one who needs to broaden your reading. I'm familiar with both sides, you are not. understandable given your situation.

 

[Sihouette]

So, I'm thinking that heteros are no more likely to take advantage of coed barracks than homosexuals. There is no proof for that. It is merely an assumption. And I think it is a bigoted one at that.

Coed barracks should come along with any repeal of DADT. Just like polygamists should be granted marriage rights at the same time GLBTs might get them. Anything else in either case woud be reverse descrimination.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

perhaps you are the one who needs to broaden your reading. I'm familiar with both sides, you are not. understandable given your situation.

You apparently aren't familiar with both sides, I note that you have not presented any citations and I'm guessing the you haven't read the book either.

My situation? Being trans? That has nothing to do with sexual orientation, we have all the same choices that everyone else has.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

So, I'm thinking that heteros are no more likely to take advantage of coed barracks than homosexuals. There is no proof for that. It is merely an assumption. And I think it is a bigoted one at that.

Coed barracks should come along with any repeal of DADT. Just like polygamists should be granted marriage rights at the same time GLBTs might get them. Anything else in either case woud be reverse descrimination.

I'm okay with polygamy, but men should live separate from women. At least that way they would be housed with equals--or as close as we can get.

 

[Pandora]

I'm okay with polygamy, but men should live separate from women. At least that way they would be housed with equals--or as close as we can get.

Mare, I agree that men and women in the service should not be housed together.

I think its because of the "general" sexual attraction, why do you think it should be seperate?

I am not saying every guy will be lusting after every girl or visa versa, its not always or even usually about lust. Its just an odd feeling for some to dress/shower with others that have a "general" attraction to them even if its not a personal attraction to that person.

Why do you think men/women should house seperate?

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

Mare, I agree that men and women in the service should not be housed together.

I think its because of the "general" sexual attraction, why do you think it should be seperate?

I am not saying every guy will be lusting after every girl or visa versa, its not always or even usually about lust. Its just an odd feeling for some to dress/shower with others that have a "general" attraction to them even if its not a personal attraction to that person.

Why do you think men/women should house seperate?

Men have shown themselves to be unreliable in the presence of women, women will feel very threatened sleeping, dressing, and showering with a group of men. If it could be guaranteed that there would always be a large group of women and just a few men that would make it safer, but you and I know that sometimes it will be one or two women and a group of men.

As I noted to Siho, men and women are vastly different in strength as a general rule so housing them together makes for trouble. Men housed with men or women housed with women is a whole lot safer for the women. We all know that gays will still be a tiny minority in any platoon, they aren't going to be raping anybody as frequently as men rape women. In fact gay men will often come to the rescue of a woman in trouble with other men.

Will some people be uncomfortable showering with people of the same gender who may find them sexually attractive? Yep, but in every locker room on the planet that is already the case, knowing who is and who isn't might even make you feel safer because you'll know who to watch out for in the shower if you drop the soap.

 

[dogtowner]

You apparently aren't familiar with both sides, I note that you have not presented any citations and I'm guessing the you haven't read the book either.

My situation? Being trans? That has nothing to do with sexual orientation, we have all the same choices that everyone else has.

reading your book seperates you from the actual data, read the research papers yourself and avoid the author's spin. Its trouble enough getting past the spin in the research.

 

[always]

You seem moderately hysterical, Al, ease up a bit. You're wrong about the word "abomination". It was never used in the orginal Bible, nor was "homosexual". Abomination is the word that was substituted for the Jewish term meaning a Jew breaking Jewish law. It did not and never has refered to anyone else.

As I have noted, homosexual behavior is very widespread in the animal kingdom, especially among the higher animals, just as it has existed in all cultures for which we have records. What's more it appears to have survival value as well. Your idea based on the Bible, that it is a perversion and needs curing is hardly supported by anything but scribbles in the Bible.

And while you have not yet responded to my question, I have to suspect that you believe that transsexuals are homosexual in some fashion. Not true though, being trans is a birth defect and has nothing to do with one's sexual orientation. Trannies have all the same choices as everyone else--they can be straight, bi, or gay. Transsexuality is a discontinuity between brain gender and body gender.

Hmmm , You not only rewrite the Bible, you also can read my mind.
Now, as for animals having sex with the same sex animal , I see nothing really wrong with that, now on the farm I did turn the hose on a dog or two who were "locked up".
However , I was never tempted to duplicate their homosexual conduct. I believe because my creator wisely elevated the character of man/woman to a much higher level than the animal , "MAN" avoided a natural urge to copy the sex lives of any animal. Those who do are breaking "Gods' Law" and that action is known as PERVERSION!- Case Closed!- Next!

 

[always]

I find it fascinating how you always have a pertinent personal experience to draw on when you wish to make a point. Of course you've lied before so I suspect you may be again. The fact that you had a relationship with a gay man who dumped you, and now you tell us about lesbian rape in your past makes me think you have a vivid imagination and a perhaps unrequited sex life.

Any woman who thinks men are not more sexually-driven than women are is simply not paying attention. If 3 out of every 5 women is assualted by a man in their lives that seems to be somewhat suggestive of an aggressive sexual appetite not generally found in women. I would be interested in seeing some stats on how many lesbian rapes happen, I'll bet it's a vanishingly small number.

WOW! You say 3 out of five women are assualted by a man in their lives!!
Since , in my entire life , I have never assualted any women and I suspect there are millions of other men just like me, that can only mean , if your stats are true, that many, many men are assualting the same woman!!
Please somebody call the police!!

 

[always]

If you are going to continue this line of discourse perhaps you should tell me why you are so upset with the direction of the discussion. Are you calling me a liar? Otherwise...

Will she stop lying about me? Maybe you should speak with her, I am not giving her any grief for being who she is, I have not condemned her for her choices in life, I have not made false statements about her medical conditions or her ethical ones either except as she has assaulted me. I didn't start the battle with her, she attacked me by announcing what I was doing was wrong and explaining what was wrong with me. She posted the fallacious journal articles that she had not read.

I harm no one, Al, but I will not be silenced to make you more comfortable. You are not required to read my posts--put me on ignore, but don't tell me what I may say and what I may not.

MARE!!, Just because you may know something about anothers personal life or problems , or just think you know, is no valid reason for telling it!
Life on this earth can be very tough, even in the best of times, so what good does it do you or your victim to spread unkindness? Compassion is a virtue!

 

[always]

What crap. The Bible was voted on in the Council of Nicea, they VOTED on what books would be put in. They argued for weeks about whether Jesus was divine. You don't know diddlysquat about your own religious book, so don't threaten me with it.

Luke 10:25-28 “Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbor as thyself.” Jesus replies: “Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live”.

That says it all, toots, and not a single word about bashing gay people as a requirement for Heaven. In fact you are expressly forbidden to judge others and God said in Romans, 19 "Revenge not yourselves, my dearly beloved; but give place unto wrath, for it is written: Revenge is mine, I will repay, saith the Lord."

You are not to be judging and bashing gays, my friend.

Hey Mare!!
Do YOU believe animals can sin? Did Jesus Christ die on the cross at Calavary for the Sins of Man, the Sins of animals? or both?

Do you believe Animals have the Power to "reason"?, as Man/ Woman does?
Do you believe GOD created Man/ Woman and Animal Life to be Equals? Or were Man/ Woman created in the Image of GOD and therefore Superior to all other creatures on this earth?