What a sad, truly sad statement about our homophobic way of thinking!

[dogtowner]

Yes, you post your sources and I'll post mine.

you made the claim, the ball is in your court.

 

[Helicitor]

If you don't want gays to marry, do you support civil unions? I'd certainly be satisfied with that compromise. Take all the secular benefits that marriage gives a couple and put those in civil unions. The only thing "marriage" would have over civil unions is the sanction of the church.

I call that a win-win. What say you?

What I support is a more civil and free society by restricting disruptive behaviors in public, but staying out of people's private lives. If two gays want to commit to a monogamous relationship, that isn't my business. If they want to engage in sex acts in a public restroom, that is my business--not because they're gay, but because they're fornicating in public. eww

So, to answer your question, I don't particularly care whether gays are granted the same civil benefits as married couples via civil unions, as long as it is voted in (by the people, or their representatives) vice imposed by the courts.

 

[Sihouette]

But that is not how it will happen. It will happen via a federal precident set by DADT repeal that will by its nature acknowledge the incompete sexual fetish grouping of "GLBT" as a "minority" "group". From there their lawyers will take it to SCOTUS to force a mandate to allow them to marry based on not allowing them as "descriminatory" of their freedoms via the 14th Amendment.

This is what they're up to with DADT. Otherwise there is no reason for gays to advertise "come out" in the military at all. If they are proud of their abilities outside being gay, then they should not let their urges to advertise give away a darker angle to their supposed nuetral presence in the military.

 

[always]

You are jumping into a long-running battle between me and Siho, and you're doing it with your mouth open. Read a litttle more before you pass judgment.

She's not paying for the evil deeds of her mate, she's trying to get revenge because here ego has been beaten badly.

Your religious beliefs are irrelevant since you know almost nothing about the book you're quoting.

I do not quote a little "book" , I quote the "written word of God" , not open to your interpretation, sorry , in the real world your views are not needed or requested! Plus , It is not I , who will judge you, but I understand your confusion! Do not allow those with superior intellect force you into a state of humbleness or you will remain their forever!

 

[citizenzen]

So, to answer your question, I don't particularly care whether gays are granted the same civil benefits as married couples via civil unions, as long as it is voted in (by the people, or their representatives) vice imposed by the courts.

Would you vote for it?

Just curious.

 

[always]

[/B]

You would have to make up the things you threaten me with. And previously you have presented your relationship with that man somewhat differently than you are now.

Post what you want, Siho, I have written extensively about my experiences and I speak publicly at Universities every term to classes of 50-60 students, I also speak to continuing ed classes for therapists, and I always answer all their questions as openly and accurately as possible. Threatening me with my own words is pointless except in the way that you have done so in the past where you took small pieces out of context to try to make them mean what you wanted instead of what I actually said and meant.

I think this is a good example of Siho's approach and how unscientific it is. She comments about my DNA without knowing a single thing about it, she's never met me, she's never seen any of the medical workups done on me, but still she feels that her barnyard experience allows her to PUBLICLY diagnose my condition and contradict not only myself but also the doctors and therapists with whom I have worked for years.

I Do NOT TRUST mare after reading this post! She /He / It is going where She/He /It/ has no business going!! Please drop this Mare!!

 

[Helicitor]

Would you vote for it?

Just curious.

I don't really know. It would depend on the specifics.

 

[ASPCA4EVER]

But that is not how it will happen. It will happen via a federal precident set by DADT repeal that will by its nature acknowledge the incompete sexual fetish grouping of "GLBT" as a "minority" "group". From there their lawyers will take it to SCOTUS to force a mandate to allow them to marry based on not allowing them as "descriminatory" of their freedoms via the 14th Amendment.

This is what they're up to with DADT. Otherwise there is no reason for gays to advertise "come out" in the military at all. If they are proud of their abilities outside being gay, then they should not let their urges to advertise give away a darker angle to their supposed nuetral presence in the military.

Siho...maybe you and 'ALWAYS' need to tag-team up and united under that 'ONE GOD/HATE ALL THAT ARE DIFFERENT FROM YOUR PERFECT IMAGE'...because your rhetoric and that loony bin of BIBLE THUMPING VERSES seem to run along similar mantras when it comes to dealing with humans that aren't quite as perfectly formed in your ideology/or thought!

This topic is about DADT and not about Mare's gender or 'ALWAYS' bible stump preaching to the masses...so do please get back on TOPIC or take your desire to dredge up PROP #8 back to your specfic thread...OK THANK YOU

 

[citizenzen]

I don't really know. It would depend on the specifics.

Nice dodge. You haven't lost your moves.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

you made the claim, the ball is in your court.

You said that you had sources, but you don't do you? Oh well, I'm not surprised.

A good place for you to start your education would be THE MARRIAGE OF LIKENESS by John Boswell, on page xxvi you will find a list of 9 scholarly works detailing the marriage of gay people around the world. Another good one would be Thomas Sheehans THE FIRST COMING: How the Kingdom of God Became Christianity.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

What I support is a more civil and free society by restricting disruptive behaviors in public, but staying out of people's private lives. If two gays want to commit to a monogamous relationship, that isn't my business. If they want to engage in sex acts in a public restroom, that is my business--not because they're gay, but because they're fornicating in public. eww

So, to answer your question, I don't particularly care whether gays are granted the same civil benefits as married couples via civil unions, as long as it is voted in (by the people, or their representatives) vice imposed by the courts.

But rights for integrating schools weren't voted in, why should gays have to let people vote on their equal rights? People said that blacks in school would be disruptive--but that wasn't the fault of the black kids, it was the bigotry of the whites.

Why shouldn't we get to vote on whether you get full equality?

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

But that is not how it will happen. It will happen via a federal precident set by DADT repeal that will by its nature acknowledge the incompete sexual fetish grouping of "GLBT" as a "minority" "group". From there their lawyers will take it to SCOTUS to force a mandate to allow them to marry based on not allowing them as "descriminatory" of their freedoms via the 14th Amendment.

This is what they're up to with DADT. Otherwise there is no reason for gays to advertise "come out" in the military at all. If they are proud of their abilities outside being gay, then they should not let their urges to advertise give away a darker angle to their supposed nuetral presence in the military.

Yeah, it will be awful just like when the Federal government enforced integration, right? We just can't be having n1ggers and queers being treated like real people.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

I do not quote a little "book" , I quote the "written word of God" , not open to your interpretation, sorry , in the real world your views are not needed or requested! Plus , It is not I , who will judge you, but I understand your confusion! Do not allow those with superior intellect force you into a state of humbleness or you will remain their forever!

What crap. The Bible was voted on in the Council of Nicea, they VOTED on what books would be put in. They argued for weeks about whether Jesus was divine. You don't know diddlysquat about your own religious book, so don't threaten me with it.

Luke 10:25-28 “Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbor as thyself.” Jesus replies: “Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live”.

That says it all, toots, and not a single word about bashing gay people as a requirement for Heaven. In fact you are expressly forbidden to judge others and God said in Romans, 19 "Revenge not yourselves, my dearly beloved; but give place unto wrath, for it is written: Revenge is mine, I will repay, saith the Lord."

You are not to be judging and bashing gays, my friend.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

I Do NOT TRUST mare after reading this post! She /He / It is going where She/He /It/ has no business going!! Please drop this Mare!!

If you are going to continue this line of discourse perhaps you should tell me why you are so upset with the direction of the discussion. Are you calling me a liar? Otherwise...

Will she stop lying about me? Maybe you should speak with her, I am not giving her any grief for being who she is, I have not condemned her for her choices in life, I have not made false statements about her medical conditions or her ethical ones either except as she has assaulted me. I didn't start the battle with her, she attacked me by announcing what I was doing was wrong and explaining what was wrong with me. She posted the fallacious journal articles that she had not read.

I harm no one, Al, but I will not be silenced to make you more comfortable. You are not required to read my posts--put me on ignore, but don't tell me what I may say and what I may not.

 

[Sihouette]

Mares are not exactly tranquil. If you knew horses you would know that they can be quite vicious. Mares like to kick and they are ruthless with their herdmates when establishing a pecking order. They are especially brutal to new members of the herd. I've seen some boss mares back a herd member up to a wall or fence and drop kick them within inches of their lives, pinning them up against the wall with no escape from pummeling hooves.

And as to your wishes, MT, of having a more serene existence masquerading as a female..lol...women are some of the most ruthless creatures there are. Whereas a man will punch you in the nose when he is mad at you and then buy you a drink the next day. A woman may smile at you and plot how to burn your house down or still carry a grudge ten years later, needling and undercutting you every chance she gets..

You need to study your genders a little better. I think "confused" is pretty much of an understatement to describe you.