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[Diamond]

In history, this didn't happen . Palestine had some jews in the past but they were very little and didn't form any cosiderable percentage. The absoulute most were Arabs on both sides . And it is easy to see that when Israel was established in 1948 , Millions of Jews came from the US, Britain, Germany, Austria and Russia and other countries which proves clearely that all the Jews in Israel are with origions from outside Palestine . So What right do those American and European Jews have in Palestine ??? Were they or even their grands born in Palestine ?? Please think in it !! .

This is wrong. The origins of Jews is where the State of Israel today is located.

 

[Free Palestine]

How can that be accomplished, without documents that establish Palestinian-ownership?

It seems most people, there (Israelis, included), establish ownership by word-of-mouth; from-generation-to-generation. That's hardly a valid-"document". When it comes to property, there'll always be people who lie....possibly hundreds-of-years-ago.

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I like this way of thinking. Let us take it by historical evidences . Jews and all Jews know that Palestine was an Arab land since ever . The first time Jews had entered Palestine was when they escaped from Egypt. This is written in the Jewish bible . And when they came to Palestine they found The Canaanites who are Arabs !! It is simple to know that Arabs were there thousands of yrs even before Jews thought to enter it .

However, all the Jews who entered there were so little and they didn't stay there too much . You will be excited if you know that they only stayed for
40 yrs. and during those yrs they were little and didn't rule the land . All this is written in their bible and in Quran as well .​

 

[Free Palestine]

This is wrong. The origins of Jews is where the State of Israel today is located.

Would you prove it please ??

 

[Diamond]

Would you prove it please ??

1.

The explanation in the Bible is that it started with a man named Abraham who lived in Ur [Babylon]. God commanded him to move to Caanan, so he did, taking with him Abraham, his son, and Sarah, his wife.
Then there was Joseph [the one with the colourful coat]. After being sold into slavery in Egypt and rising to high position there, in a time of famine he moved his relatives, and thus, Judaism, to Egypt.
A few generations later Egyptians again ruled over the (Many report that the slaves were Jews) but it was the Hebrews as slaves. The Jews are not mentioned till later. In John 8:33 The Jews said they were never in bondage to any man. God promised to Moses the freedom of the Hebrews, and not the Jews as many have reported. the ten plagues were visited upon Egypt, and Moses led the Hebrews back to Canaan.

2.

The term "Jew" is first used in the Old Testament in the Book of Esther 2:5.
The term "Jews" is first used in the Book of 2 Kings 16:6.
The Hebrews are mentioned only (And Not the Jews) in the first 5 Books of Moses.
It refers to the people, primarily members of the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi, who were exiled from the Land of Israel when the Kingdom of Judah was defeated.
Background: After the time of King Solomon (David's son) the nation of Israel split into 2 kingdoms: the Kingdom of Israel and the Kingdom of Judah. The Kingdom of Judah's capital was Jerusalem, on the border between the tribes of Judah and Benjamin, and included those 2 tribes, and the tribe of Levi (who were very connected to the Temple in Jerusalem). The Kingdom of Israel and the Kingdom of Judah were both defeated and forced into exile. The Kingdom of Judah, on the other hand, maintained many attributes of a nation, including a connection to a land and a set of beliefs (which of course includes many variations). Many of them returned to the Land of Israel after approximately 70 years in exile, and re-established their kingdom in Israel for roughly 400 years before being defeated by the Romans.
It is true that the Kingdom of Judah (and therefore the Jews) does includes only part of the original Nation of Israel, but 2 relevant points:
According to the censuses in the Bible, the Kingdom of Judah was similar in size to the Kingdom of Israel, and included more than just the tribe of Judah, so the claim that "Jews" refers to just 1/12 of the original Nation of Israel is inaccurate.
The Kingdom of Israel was disbursed, and maintained no connection to their original identity. Therefore the Jews constitute the only group that considers themselves to be part of the original convenant between God and the Nation of Israel, and bound by that covenant.

Source: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Where_did_the_Jewish_people_originate

 

[Mr. Shaman]

This is wrong. The origins of Jews is where the State of Israel today is located.

Gee....lemme guess....that's what The Good Book says, huh??


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[rationalist]

Diamond

the bible is a work of fiction

 

[Diamond]

Diamond

the bible is a work of fiction

That's another matter, what the content clearly shows is that Jews originated from Israel.

 

[rationalist]

And Harry Potter went to school at Hogwarts

 

[OldTrapper]

In history, this didn't happen . Palestine had some jews in the past but they were very little and didn't form any cosiderable percentage. The absoulute most were Arabs on both sides . And it is easy to see that when Israel was established in 1948 , Millions of Jews came from the US, Britain, Germany, Austria and Russia and other countries which proves clearely that all the Jews in Israel are with origions from outside Palestine . So What right do those American and European Jews have in Palestine ??? Were they or even their grands born in Palestine ?? Please think in it !! .

And on the other hand , Millions of Palestinians were forced out which clearly proves that the most were Palestinians who were , have been and still the real owners .

Another important fact here , you can review the archives since 1948 and see how many massacre Jews did to Palestinians which resulted in killing tens of thousands , and ask yourself : If the Jews were the real owners and the biggest percentage , so why did they need to do such massacres ??


Developing the land will never give the right to own it . Especially if it was origionally stolen by threat and power . Suppose that I stole a land from you and grew it and did everything, Will this land become mine ? Come on .

You really need to check your history, and then check your emotions. Jews have lived in the land since before the time of Christ, and Muslims have been there only since Mohammed.

In the late 1800's the Jews returned to their homeland, and they are the ones that began developing the country while the Arabs ignored it. Look at all the benfits the Muslims gained in the "land for peace" which the Muslims immediately violated.

With the breakup of the Ottoman Empire the land for the Jews (Palestinian Jews) was all that was West of the Jordan. The Palestinian Arabs were to have all that was East of the Jordan.

This then begs an answer to a question. Instead of trying to drive the Jews out of their land, why are you not pissed at the Jordanians for stealing the land intended for the Palestinian Arabs?

 

[OldTrapper]

How 'bout a little Consistency, here?

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Your eyes must drive you nuts with that constant rolling around in their sockets.

Contrary to the claims of the "Palesitinian" supporters, the Jews had lived in the area long before the "Palestinians" who, one could easily argue, were not even legitimate occupants of the land, and are not even a nationality. Even Arafat was not a "Palestinian" by birth. Just another terrorist that had been exiled from his native country of Egypt.

However, if one really wants "consistency" then what of this long before Sharon?

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/hebron.html

The Hebron Massacre of 1929
by Shira Schoenberg

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For some time, the 800 Jews in Hebron lived in peace with their tens of thousands of Arab neighbors. But on the night of August 23, 1929, the tension simmering within this cauldron of nationalities bubbled over, and for 3 days, Hebron turned into a city of terror and murder. By the time the massacres ended, 67 Jews lay dead and the survivors were relocated to Jerusalem, leaving Hebron barren of Jews for the first time in hundreds of years.

The summer of 1929 was one of unrest in Palestine. Jewish-Arab tensions were spurred on by the agitation of the mufti in Jerusalem. Just one day prior to the start of the Hebron massacre, three Jews and three Arabs were killed in Jerusalem when fighting broke out after a Muslim prayer service on the Temple Mount. Arabs spread false rumors throughout their communities, saying that Jews were carrying out "wholesale killings of Arabs." Meanwhile, Jewish immigrants were arriving in Palestine in increasing numbers, further exacerbating the Jewish-Arab conflict.

Hebron had, until this time, been outwardly peaceful, although tension hid below the surface. The Sephardi Jewish community in Hebron had lived quietly with its Arab neighbors for centuries. The Sephardi Jews (Jews who were originally from Spain, North Africa and Arab countries) spoke Arabic and had a cultural connection to their Arab neighbors. In the mid-1800s, Ashkenazi (native European) Jews started moving to Hebron and, in 1925, the Slobodka Yeshiva, officially the Yeshiva of Hevron, Knesset Yisrael-Slobodka, was opened. Yeshiva students lived separately from the Sephardi community, and from the Arab population. Due to this isolation, the Arabs viewed them with suspicion and hatred, and identified them as Zionist immigrants. Despite the general suspicion, however, one yeshiva student, Dov Cohen, still recalled being on "very good" terms with the Arab neighbors. He remembered yeshiva boys taking long walks late at night on the outskirts of the city, and not feeling afraid, even though only one British policeman guarded the entire city.

On Friday, August 23, 1929, that tranquility was lost. Arab youths started throwing rocks at the yeshiva students. That afternoon, one student, Shmuel Rosenholtz, went to the yeshiva alone. Arab rioters later broke in and killed him, and that was only the beginning.

 

[Free Palestine]

1.

The explanation in the Bible is that it started with a man named Abraham who lived in Ur [Babylon]. God commanded him to move to Caanan, so he did, taking with him Abraham, his son, and Sarah, his wife.
Then there was Joseph [the one with the colourful coat]. After being sold into slavery in Egypt and rising to high position there, in a time of famine he moved his relatives, and thus, Judaism, to Egypt.
A few generations later Egyptians again ruled over the (Many report that the slaves were Jews) but it was the Hebrews as slaves. The Jews are not mentioned till later. In John 8:33 The Jews said they were never in bondage to any man. God promised to Moses the freedom of the Hebrews, and not the Jews as many have reported. the ten plagues were visited upon Egypt, and Moses led the Hebrews back to Canaan.

2.

Oh my friend ! you have forgotten many important things :

1) Abraham had two wives : Sarah whose son was Isaac , and Hajar whose son was (Ismael) . Ismael is the father of Arabs where Isaac is the father of Jews . So , from history's point of view , Abraham is the father of both Arabs and Jews .

2) Abraham was NOT a Jew . And this is the most important of all . Abraham had the same instructions as Mohammad and he had never been a Jew . This is written in Quran .

3) Judism started by Moses in Egypt where Palestine's citizens were Arabs .

4) Finally, Allah says in Quran : that he made it forbidden for jews to enter Palestine ( called the holy land) because of their sins against Moses . Jews didn't believe Moses and moreover they worship to the bull ( made of gold) and they never believed a prophet . So Allah punished them by preventing them from entering Palestine and by spreading them in all the world because of their sins . So , Jews never had a state in history , neither in Palestine nor in anywhere . That is what we think and believe as muslims .

The term "Jew" is first used in the Old Testament in the Book of Esther 2:5.
The term "Jews" is first used in the Book of 2 Kings 16:6.
The Hebrews are mentioned only (And Not the Jews) in the first 5 Books of Moses.
It refers to the people, primarily members of the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi, who were exiled from the Land of Israel when the Kingdom of Judah was defeated.
Background: After the time of King Solomon (David's son) the nation of Israel split into 2 kingdoms: the Kingdom of Israel and the Kingdom of Judah. The Kingdom of Judah's capital was Jerusalem, on the border between the tribes of Judah and Benjamin, and included those 2 tribes, and the tribe of Levi (who were very connected to the Temple in Jerusalem). The Kingdom of Israel and the Kingdom of Judah were both defeated and forced into exile. The Kingdom of Judah, on the other hand, maintained many attributes of a nation, including a connection to a land and a set of beliefs (which of course includes many variations). Many of them returned to the Land of Israel after approximately 70 years in exile, and re-established their kingdom in Israel for roughly 400 years before being defeated by the Romans.
It is true that the Kingdom of Judah (and therefore the Jews) does includes only part of the original Nation of Israel, but 2 relevant points:
According to the censuses in the Bible, the Kingdom of Judah was similar in size to the Kingdom of Israel, and included more than just the tribe of Judah, so the claim that "Jews" refers to just 1/12 of the original Nation of Israel is inaccurate.
The Kingdom of Israel was disbursed, and maintained no connection to their original identity. Therefore the Jews constitute the only group that considers themselves to be part of the original convenant between God and the Nation of Israel, and bound by that covenant.

You have to know something which is an important rule : Muslims believe in all prophets where jews had never believed in one . Jews always tried to kill their prophets and fighted them . Quran says : The closest people to Abraham are the people who believed him . So , We are closer to Abraham and all the prophets , Solmon and David and all of them. Notice that the Arabs lived in Palestine before Solmon and David because Abraham was before them .

Nowadays, Jews has been looking for Jewish ruins and evidences to prove their ownership of the land especially in Jerusalem but all the have found are Islamic ruins which strongly proves that Israel never had a kingdom or even a state . All of it was that Solmon ruled for only 42 years : 970 BC to 928 BC . Where the Arabs where in the land before and after him .

 

[Diamond]

To me it is highly irrelevant what Allah says in the Quran. What is relevant is that Judaism is the eldest religion in this region, it is also a FACT that the Jewish existence was there way before the Muslim existence, exactly what I just proved.

Nowadays, Jews has been looking for Jewish ruins and evidences to prove their ownership of the land especially in Jerusalem but all the have found are Islamic ruins which strongly proves that Israel never had a kingdom or even a state . All of it was that Solmon ruled for only 42 years : 970 BC to 928 BC . Where the Arabs where in the land before and after him .

Would be very nice if you could document this.

 

[rationalist]

How is the war going Diamond?

Is Iran winning or losing?

 

[Free Palestine]

To me it is highly irrelevant what Allah says in the Quran. What is relevant is that Judaism is the eldest religion in this region, it is also a FACT that the Jewish existence was there way before the Muslim existence, exactly what I just proved.



Would be very nice if you could document this.

I know that you are not interested and don't believe in what is written in Quran. But it is important to keep in mind that 1.4 billion people around the world (including me surely) do . Whereas no one believes in what is written in the Jewish bible except few millions and I am not sure if you are included .

It is so easy to prove that Jews didn't find their ruins . Jews have been looking for what they claim to be the temple of Solmon in Jerusalem which they still claiming to be in the same place of Al Aqsa Mosque . They still looking for this temple in order to build it but they haven't found anything yet . And if they did , why didn't they rebuild it ? or at least tell the world that they have found it to make them believe their claims .

 

[Diamond]

I know that you are not interested and don't believe in what is written in Quran. But it is important to keep in mind that 1.4 billion people around the world (including me surely) do . Whereas no one believes in what is written in the Jewish bible except few millions and I am not sure if you are included.

These figures are not relevant as to how the history is right or wrong, the Muslim population has grown largely over the last few years. The largest religion to date is Christianity, do you think that the content of the Bible is more correct than the content of the Quran because of that?

It is so easy to prove that Jews didn't find their ruins . Jews have been looking for what they claim to be the temple of Solmon in Jerusalem which they still claiming to be in the same place of Al Aqsa Mosque . They still looking for this temple in order to build it but they haven't found anything yet . And if they did , why didn't they rebuild it ? or at least tell the world that they have found it to make them believe their claims .

But this still doesn't answer my question, can you document, with something trustworthy that this claim is true:

Nowadays, Jews has been looking for Jewish ruins and evidences to prove their ownership of the land especially in Jerusalem but all the have found are Islamic ruins which strongly proves that Israel never had a kingdom or even a state . All of it was that Solmon ruled for only 42 years : 970 BC to 928 BC . Where the Arabs where in the land before and after him .