Civilian Victims of USA Foreign Policy

[Divine Love]

The fact we assist other countries is undeniable. It's this kind of willful ignorance that makes me think we should cut off everyone, and leave them to their poverty.

Particularly in Iraq case you were a great help!
"oh, please, don't help us anymore!" An Iraqi would shout, If saw this thread.

 

[ilikeboobs]

What did George Washington always warn about? Not getting entangled with the rest of the world. Trade with everyone, but don't take sides. Isolationism (with free trade) rules.

 

[vyo476]

Particularly in Iraq case you were a great help!
"oh, please, don't help us anymore!" An Iraqi would shout, If saw this thread.

Do you suppose that Egypt says that to the 750 million dollars in foreign aid they received in 2005? Do you suppose Sudan says that about the 575 million they got? For that matter, do you think that Iraq turned down the nearly seven billion dollars in foreign aid they got that year?

Yeah, we don't help anyone out. Please.

 

[Andy]

Particularly in Iraq case you were a great help!
"oh, please, don't help us anymore!" An Iraqi would shout, If saw this thread.

Well I do not know where you get your information. Mine comes from soldiers in Iraq who talk about how much the Iraqis want them to stay. So... I wager they know more about how the Iraqis feel than you. Nothing personal.

 

[bokile]

However, after WWII the Brits declared Kuwait a seperate sheikdom - equal to all the other splinter states that came out of the Ottoman Empire.

very interesting as occupying power in sovereign nation and country who's history is about 10 times older than one of USA

Do you really blame the Bosnians for not wanting to stick around for that?

now go to bosnia smart guy and ask people there, were they living a much better life in yugoslavia or they do now as separate country, that is country where 3 people hate each other even if war ended years ago...

You know, that's funny. The liberation of Yugoslavia was carried out mostly by the People's Liberation Army of Yugoslavia, a communist guerrilla organization led by Josip Broz Tito. Tito was Croatian.

The Yugoslav Royal Army in the Fatherland, the mostly-Serbian former Royal soldiers who fought the occupation under Draza Mihailović, refused to join the People's Liberation Army when the Allies shifted idealistic and material support to them. Even when the royal government-in-exile recognized Tito's forces, which included Serbs, Slovenians, and Croats, as Yugoslavia's Army, Mihailović's force still refused to join.

Serbs were involved in liberating Bosnia, but they had plenty of help, including Croatian leadership.

Ok, let me teach you because I can see you do not know.In WWII you had two movements: Chetniks or royalists and Communists or partisans.
Both movements were mostly Serb. Partisans were over 85% Serb and Chetniks over 90%.
Partisans unitil coming of Red Army were a very tiny force within occupyed lands by nazis. They could do sabotage actions like killing nazi milkman
Chetniks had large and expirianced army. Most of the officers were veterans from WWI.
Draza Mihailovic is an American hero, man that saved 500 American pilots shot down by nazis. For that one very good Hollywoodmovey

 

[bokile]

However, after WWII the Brits declared Kuwait a seperate sheikdom - equal to all the other splinter states that came out of the Ottoman Empire.

very interesting... as occupying power in sovereign nation and country who's history is about 10 times older than one of USA..

Do you really blame the Bosnians for not wanting to stick around for that?

now go to bosnia smart guy and ask people there, were they living a much better life in yugoslavia or they do now as separate country, that is country where 3 people hate each other even if war ended years ago...

You know, that's funny. The liberation of Yugoslavia was carried out mostly by the People's Liberation Army of Yugoslavia, a communist guerrilla organization led by Josip Broz Tito. Tito was Croatian.

The Yugoslav Royal Army in the Fatherland, the mostly-Serbian former Royal soldiers who fought the occupation under Draza Mihailović, refused to join the People's Liberation Army when the Allies shifted idealistic and material support to them. Even when the royal government-in-exile recognized Tito's forces, which included Serbs, Slovenians, and Croats, as Yugoslavia's Army, Mihailović's force still refused to join.

Serbs were involved in liberating Bosnia, but they had plenty of help, including Croatian leadership.

Ok, let me teach you because I can see you do not know.In WWII you had two movements: Chetniks or royalists and Communists or partisans.
Both movements were mostly Serb. Partisans were over 85% Serb and Chetniks over 90%.
Partisans unitil coming of Red Army were a very tiny force within occupyed lands by nazis. They could do sabotage actions like killing nazi milkman
Chetniks had large and expirianced army. Most of the officers were veterans from WWI.
Draza Mihailovic is an American hero, man that saved 500 American pilots shot down by nazis. For that one very good Hollywood movie came out. Also he received

Permit me to read what President Truman had to say in awarding him the highest combat award our nation can bestow on a foreign national:

"LEGION OF MERIT - CHIEF COMMANDER: General Dragoljub Mihailovich distinguished himself in an outstanding manner as Commander-in-Chief of the Yugoslavian Army Forces and later as Minister of War by Organizing and leading important resistance forces against the enemy which occupied Yugoslavia, from December 1941 to December 1944. Through the undaunted efforts of his troops, many United States airmen were rescued and returned safely to friendly control. General Mihailovich and his forces, although lacking adequate supplies, and fighting under extreme hardships, contributed materially to the Allied cause, and were instrumental in obtaining a final Allied victory. March 29, 1948. Harry S. Truman."

Since the end of WWII we have made great strides in trying to repay our debt of honor to the man who saved our lives. Permit me to read just a partial list of those who have joined us in support of General Mihailovic:
Presidents Truman, Eisenhower, Nixon and Reagan;
The United States Senate;
hundreds of United States Congressmen;
the Secretary of the Air Force, Thomas Reed;
The Department of Interior;
The National Capital Memorial Advisory Committee;
the United States Ambassador to Yugoslavia, Laurence Silberman;
the Chairman of the House Committee on Foreign Affairs, Clement Zablocki;
a United States Commission of Inquiry;
the Arizona State Senate;
the governors of Alaska, Kansas, Kentucky, Indiana, Massachusetts, Nebraska, and Texas;
the mayor of Los Angeles, Tom Bradley;
Bishops Firmilian, Iriney and Manning;
John Wayne;
The American Legion;
Polish War Veterans;
George Meany and the AFL-CIO;
the Teamsters Union;
The Heritage Foundations;
The Coalition for America;
The New Your Times;
Washington Post and Washington Times,
Toronto Sun, Christian Science Monitor, etc., etc...

So you deny the rapes of all those women? That's a bold statement. It also makes me sick to my stomach.

Yes, I think what that evil woman wrote is a lie

Srebrenica and Bratunac, two small cities in East Bosnia...As you posted already Naser Oric murdered over 3000 Serb civilians. Than Serbian army came and killed about 1500 of muslim criminal militia. 8000 of murdered muslims is too big number and I was told by many muslims that is a pure lie.
If the Serbs wanted to kill and cleanse all muslims how come they did not touch woman and children?

 

[bewitched]

Period Country USA Policy Details Civilians Killed
1945 South Korea Support for massacre of dissidents on Cheju Island. 100,000 +
1948 Vietnam Support of French efforts to recolonise. thousands
1950 Bahamas Biological tests (with Canada and UK). unknown
1950 Korea Stopping refugees crossing the front line. hundreds
1952 Cuba Support for military coup and death squads. thousands
1952 Korea
China Biological warfare. unknown
1954+ Guatemala Organisation of military coup; arming and training of government death squads. 100,000 +
1957+ Haiti Support for brutal dictatorship. 60,000
etc...

all these incidents seem like the US was hired by these countries to assist. we supplied weapons, technology, even troops. so what's your point?
the US didn't start these battles, the US got involved after they were underway.
so the US assisted in genocides for all these countries?
yes, governments don't know how to control their populations. and they ask other countries for help.
is that some new concept that you just became aware of?

now. so the US takes money and builds their economy because other countries use their weapons and technology to kill their populations. and we are the bad guys? that's just business.

the US hasn't had am over-population problem, we have a strong government that supplies a decent lifestyle and safety in this country. too bad other countries can't claim the same.

 

[bokile]

now. so the US takes money and builds their economy

iraq-their economy is booming
afganistan, brasil, cuba, just to name a few, bosnia is new economic power too

 

[Libsmasher]

If you want to find out more informations please visit

http://www.krysstal.com/democracy_whyusa06.html

is this shame, is the usa government run by some group of satan worshippers?


Period Country USA Policy Details Civilians Killed
1945 South Korea Support for massacre of dissidents on Cheju Island. 100,000 +
1948 Vietnam Support of French efforts to recolonise. thousands
1950 Bahamas Biological tests (with Canada and UK). unknown
1950 Korea Stopping refugees crossing the front line. hundreds
1952 Cuba Support for military coup and death squads. thousands
1952 Korea
China Biological warfare. unknown
1954+ Guatemala Organisation of military coup; arming and training of government death squads. 100,000 +
1957+ Haiti Support for brutal dictatorship. 60,000
1962 Cuba Attack on industrial facility. 400
1963 Iraq Supplying military government with lists of dissidents to be eliminated. thousands
1964 North Vietnam Blanket bombing. unknown
1964 Brazil Support for brutal dictatorship. 75,000 +
1965 Indonesia Supplying government with lists of dissidents to be eliminated. thousands
1965 to 1973 Laos Blanket bombing. hundreds of thousands
1965 Peru Setting up military camps to eliminate dissidents. unknown
1967 Vietnam "Friendly Fire". 80
1968 Vietnam My Lai Massacre by USA troops over 200
1970 Vietnam Chemical warfare. thousands
1970 Laos Chemical warfare. Over 100
1971 Vietnam Military action. 5,000
1972 Vietnam Blanket bombing. unknown
1972 Lebanon
Syria Air attacks by Israel supported by the USA. hundreds
1973 Chile Organisation and support of military coup and its follow-up actions. 5,000
1969 to 1973 Cambodia Blanket bombing, mostly in secret. 600,000
1964 to 1975 Vietnam
Laos Blanket bombing. 2,500,000 +
1939 to 1975 Spain Financial support for brutal dictatorship. 192,684
1975 to 1979 Cambodia Khmer Rouge auto-genocide resulting from five years of secret bombing. 2,500,000 +
1975 to 1999 East Timor Support and arming of Indonesian invasion and genocide (with UK and Australia). 200,000
1975 Iraq Abandoning of former Kurdish allies. unknown
1976 Nicaragua Massacre of dissidents by supported and armed un-elected government. thousands
1978 Lebanon Supporting of invasion by Israel. 700
1978+ Guatemala Arming, training and support of government death squads. 20,000
1953 to 1979 Iran Support and finance for unelected, brutal government put in place by USA and UK. unknown
1979 Nicaragua Support and arming of unelected, brutal government put in place by USA. 30,000
1980 to 1992 El Salvador Training, arming and financial backing for government death squads. 75,000
1980 to 1990 Iran Support and arms for invasion by Iraq. 1,000,000
1980 Italy Support and finance for urban terrorists. 86
1980 South Korea Massacre of dissidents by military government armed and supported by USA. thousands
1981 Lebanon Support of bombing raids by Israel. 320
1982 Lebanon Support for invasion by Israel including use of UN veto. 17,500 +
1982 to 1990 Chad Training and arming of military regime. thousands
1982 to 1986 Guatemala Support and arming of brutal, military regime. 50,000 +
1983 Grenada Invasion to remove leader. 500
1976 to 1984 Argentina Support and finance for military regime. 30,000
1986 Nicaragua Support and arming of former government troops for destabilisation. 50,000
1986 Libya Military attack on oil installations. 70 +
1987 to 1992 Palestinian Territories Support and finance for occupation and settlement building by Israel. 1000 +
1983 to 1987 Lebanon Support and arms for military action by Israel and CIA sponsored terrorism. 50,000 +
1988 Iran Shooting down of commercial passenger airliner. 286
1988 Iraq Support (with UK), finance and arms for regime which uses poison gas on its Kurdish population. 6,000
1989 Panama Invasion to remove leader. 4,000 +
1991 Iraq Invasion (with UK and other countries). 200,000
1992 Somalia Invasion. 7,000
1974 to 1992 Angola Arming and support for rebels destabilising country. 650,000 +
1986 to 1994 Colombia Finance (with UK oil companies) and support for regime that kills dissidents. 20,000 +
1995 to 1998 Turkey Arms and finance for regime that kills dissidents and its Kurdish population. 27,000 +
1995 Mexico Military aid to supress dissidents. unknown
1996 Lebanon Arms and support for Israel in its occupation. 120
1996 Palestinian Territories Arms and finance for Israeli occupation. 80 +
1997 Rwanda Arms and finance for regime that kills dissidents. 6,000
1965 to 1997 Indonesia Arms, support and finance for brutal dictatorship. 1,000,000
1990 to 1997 Iraq Pressure on UN to impose and maintain sanctions and bombing raids (with UK support). 1,200,000 +
1998 Afghanistan Finance (with UK) for brutal Taliban government. 2,000 +
1998 Sudan Bombing. unknown
1986 to 1998 Guatemala Support, finance and arms for regimes that kill dissidents. 200,000
1999 Yugoslavia Bombing (with other NATO countries). thousands
1999 Iraq Bombing (with UK support). hundreds
1991 to 1999 Kuwait
Iraq Unexploded cluster bombs. 1,620
2000 Palestinian Territories Support, arms and finance for occupation and settlement building by Israel. hundreds
2001 Colombia Arms and training for regime that kills dissidents. 18
2001 Palestinian Territories Support, arms and finance for occupation and settlement building by Israel. hundreds
2001 Palestinian Territories Ethnic cleansing. 100 +
2001 Afghanistan Bombing (with UK). 3,760 +
1995 to 2001 Peru Helping military shoot down aircraft suspected of drug running. unknown
2002 Palestinian Territories Political support, finance and arms. hundreds
2002 Angola Intelligence. unknown
2002 Iraq Bombing (with UK). unknown
2002 Yemen Missile attack on vehicle. 6
2003 Afghanistan Support for war lords. 300 +
2003 Algeria Finacial and military support for unelected government. hundreds
2003 Iraq Invasion (with UK). 17,000 +
2003 Bolivia Support for government that is crushing economic dissent. 40
1976 to 2003 Indonesia Support for government suppressing minorities in Aceh province. 12,000 +
2003 Palestinian Territories Political support, finance and arms. hundreds
2003 Uzbekistan Support for dictator. unknown
2004 Palestinian Territories Political support, finance and arms. 1,400 +
2003 to 2007 Iraq Invasion and Occupation (with UK). 655,000 +
2006 Palestine, Lebanon Political support and arms. (with UK). 1,300 + (to August)
2006 Haiti Removal of elected government. (with France). 8,000 + (to September)
2007 Somalia Removal of government. (with Ethiopia). 2000+

A dimwitted, context free, cut-and-paste smear.

 

[bokile]

A dimwitted, context free, cut-and-paste smear.

I left the webpage address if you are interested to investigate more

 

[Libsmasher]

I left the webpage address if you are interested to investigate more

I don't need to read your defamation-for-morons page. If you care to debate any of those events, to bring out the context, I'm ready. But like somebody who writes oscenities on the bathroom wall and scuttles away, I'm guessing you'll just leave your innuendo here.

 

[9sublime]

By the way, I know its petty but Britain's history is far longer than 10 times older than the USA's bokile.

 

[bokile]

I don't need to read your defamation-for-morons page. If you care to debate any of those events, to bring out the context, I'm ready. But like somebody who writes oscenities on the bathroom wall and scuttles away, I'm guessing you'll just leave your innuendo here.

Tell me than, why 50.000 Americans died in Vietnam and also over 3500 in Iraq

 

[Libsmasher]

Tell me than, why 50.000 Americans died in Vietnam and also over 3500 in Iraq

The 3500 is remarkably low by historical standards, and the purposes of the war are will known. Appeasers want a death-free war, and there is no such thing.

As for the Vietnam War, it was the first war run by civilians, and with tragic but predictable results. The US side violated most of the principles of war

(see eg http://www.pvv.ntnu.no/~madsb/home/war/fm1005/principles.php).

This was because Robert McNamara thought he could run the war like he ran Ford Motor Company. Top military men were reduced to yes men, as Yalies and other Ivy League civilian types like McGeorge Bundy and Walt Rostow applied their clueless minds to developing new losing war strategies, which ended in a stalemate. The result was tens of thousands of dead US soldiers.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

Tell me than, why 50.000 Americans died in Vietnam and also over 3500 in Iraq

Body armor?
shorter war ( as of right now)
use of Iraqi Army
targets of enemy are not the US army , but Iraqi army, Civilians, Police, other militia groups, and blood feuds.
No major power giving strong backing and arms to the Iraqi insurgents/terror groups. Such as China.
Armor on track units, Hummers, personnel carriers ext much better to small arms fire
there is no full size army we are fighting such as in North Vietnam
Its not jungle warfare, its urban and we have trained for that.
I could keep going on....