Everybody usually picks a side in these conflicts, youve picked yours and I have mine.
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Understanding the Enemy
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Everybody usually picks a side in these conflicts, youve picked yours and I have mine.
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Of course you have. The only thing is that your side is not based on FACTS NOR LOGIC.
I simply posted the Islamic doctrine and writings of scholars regarding that doctrine. Revealing that these verses lead you to believe that I am claiming Islamic doctrine is "invalid". Thats YOUR conclusion not mine. Im an atheist. All religious doctrine is invalid in my view.
I guess from your perspective all these verses and Islamic writings Ive presented are just chocked full of facts and logic. From mine they are not.
AlicornsPrayer
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Every death I gave you, was an American death caused by terrorism. American deaths at the hands of their fellow Americans.
You're right...I've picked my side...I'm tired of terrorists like YOU. Terrorist like yourself that feed off of fear and hatred, that spread your vile disease to others in our country...Those like you that cost the lives of innocents who do not hate nor wish to hate. You create festering wounds in our society with your hatred, predjudices, and alarmist messages.
You darling, are no different then those you complain about and say we should fear...You use ignorance, fear, false propoganda to instill fear in others to futher your hateful agendas against humanity.
You are just as much of a terrorist as any other hate group that exsists...You are our peoples' enemy from within. No if, ands, or buts. It's your type of people that will cost us the worse losses. It's your type that will breed new generations of hate to continue the cycle of terrorism. And because you are home-grown, you are more of a danger to us then any outside threat to our country could dream to be.
Because through your hatred, you help others hate us more. You are part of the problem, not part of the solution.
Im sure every victim of murder feels terror before the act occurs. You still havent even named one of these 844 hate groups or identified how many they have killed. Revealing.
AlicornsPrayer
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Love your play on words there...*Sarcasm off...
What exactly is going over your head with that smart mouthed comment? 'Every victim of murder feels terror'...
What part don't you understand...These people didn't die from being scared to death...They died because someone didn't like their race, their religion, their ethnic background, or their sexual orientation...These people were killed because some hate-filled ignorant, backwoods individual like yourself didn't believe they had the right to share the same air they breathed...
These individuals were TARGETTED for nothing that was their fault...Except their being born in the first place.
I asked you if you wanted me to list the groups...You didnt' say...BUT I did indeed give you names of some of the top groups...You then asked for a number on deaths caused by hate groups, which I gave...Try reading instead of dismissing what was said cause you don't like the information.
So you want some groups?
How about the Black Seperatists...They don't want whites on this planet, nor do they want Spanish decent peoples...Panthers, Crips, Bloods, All Eyes on Egypt?
How about some of a Neo-Confederate group...League of the South?
Neo-Nazi? Aryan Nation, National Socialist Movement, White Revolution?
KKK...Imperial Klans, Empire Knights, Brotherhood of the KKK ring any bells?
Christian Identity...Remenant Outreach Ministries, Kingdom Identities, Scriptures for America?
Tell me when to stop...I can go on, and on, and on, and on...I'm just listing the most popular sects within those groups and those that murder in the name of those groups...
General Hate....American Border Patrol, Jewish Defense League, Save Our State, Final Stands...
Maybe you're more of a Skinhead type...Blood and Honor, United Society of Aryan Skinheads, Confederate of Racial Working Class Skinheads.
White Nationalists? Our Race Is Our Nation, Council of Conservative Citizens, White Nation Network...
What's telling is you complain about thousands dead at the hands of supposedly all Muslims...I showed you how several groups have rung up a high death toll in 1 year here in the states...
I gave you thousands of American deaths in one year at the hand of hate groups and you said that it wasn't enough? LOL! Now you want to say I haven't done as you asked previously instead. I'm sure I can mail each individual city and ask for the names of the victims...Are you going to pay for the stamps?
An average of 7,000 deaths a year is approximately 70,000 in the 10 year span you asked for...
What's revealing is that you want to pretend those numbers don't exist and are no threat...That's what's revealing cause I've given you exactly what you've asked for and in return you've tried to minimalize and deny it...Heck, you even made FUN OF the victims with your little 'every victim of murder feels terror before the act occurs' comment...Futher victimzing them.
Cause it doesn't support your hatred and own terrorist acts, so you pretend it's non-exsistant...
I gave you what you asked for...MORE then what you asked for in fact...And I'll be happy to give you even more in fact. Play the deny game...That's what a terrorist does best.
Notice how he still hasnt named a group or how many people they supposedly killed. Just lots of balah blah blah in hopes that nobody will notice that he still hasnt even presented any evidence that ANY of these so called hate groups are responsible for ANY deaths in the last ten years.
We will probably be getting the 'Islam is peace' arguement next.
We will probably be getting the 'Islam is peace' arguement next.
AlicornsPrayer
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First...I'm not a 'he'...
And I did post names of the groups. Not all 844 of them, but I'd be more then happy to do so....Of course, if you're whining now about a long post, you'll whine even louder if I post each individual group/person that committed the crimes in the name of each specific hate group...
I also gave you the numbers...I even said I'd break it down...Which again would be a very long response, cause there's over 400 cities listed with their numbers of deaths due to hate crimes and hate groups...
The only one 'blah, blah, blah-ing' is you darling. Not me, cause I've been more then happy to post those long posts of details you are trying to dismiss...And whining about cause there's more detail there then you like.
There's extremist everywhere...People willing to kill for their 'race, religion, ethnic history, and sexual orientation/family morals'...And a large majority of those individuals live right here in the US...Commiting hate crimes in the name of their beliefs on a daily basis...
And spreading lies and exaggerations about the groups they hate, just like you're doing, in order to make others fearful and willing to join them in their hate campaign.
Like I said previously...You're just as much of a terrorist as those you claim to be terrorists...And more dangerous cause you're in our communities already and doing your best to kill what's left of our communities.
Notice also that those who side with the Islamist have little regard for truth or any attachment to reality. You still havent named a group responsible for any deaths and your figure above is an exaggeration of a multiple of over 2500. Share with us your source so we can know where you fill your head with these silly ideas.
Thats three deaths in the US during 2006 that can be attributed to a hate crime. This guy is just makin the shiite up as he goes along. Are you a muslim?
Yes they were long. They didnt even address your assertion and I suspect the "details" were nothing more than shiite you made up.
AlicornsPrayer
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Yes I have. You just choose to ignore it. If you want each individual case, that will show each individual group that was responsible, then you're going to help pay for the postage stamps so I can mail each individual city that posted their stats of hate crimes that year.
See, here's the lovely thing about the yearly count tally...It doesn't say which group killed which people...It only says that the crime was committed by a group in the act of a hate crime...For specifics, you have to notify the reporting police agency for the details as to who was killed, who did the killing, and what group they were with...
I can at this time post all 844 hate groups...Gave you some already.
I can at this time, also give you the number of hate murders by city and state...That's all the Federal Bureau Of Hate Crimes gives along with a list of what hate-groups to be aware of that commit these crimes...
I can also give you the percentages of which of those murders were because of race, which were because of religion, which were because of orientation, and which were a mixture of two or more of those elements.
I can even give you the number of hate crimes that were aired by the media the last 10 years. But since only about 1% hits the media....I doubt that's what you're wanting.
But since you are wanting names and specifics (which they don't divulge in the stats/overall number counts per city/state)...Then that's going to cost you some stamps and me some time....I'm willing to go that far...I doubt you're willing to though yourself.
And remember, some of those cities have serveral law enforcement agencies supplying the numbers for those hate-related crimes in their juridictions....So it's going to be more then 400 stamps...I'll have to look up each city to find out each juridiction so we can mail them with our inquiry to specifics...
You game? Since you seem to want to play this 'it isn't real/it's fantasy' card...I'll enjoy showing you just how much of a fantasy it isn't.
Coyote
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I find it interesting that when she starts to put forth facts you resort to insults. I think you've lost this debate.
I find it interesting that you regard her personal statements as facts and and the FBI statistics I provided as....? Notice also that those who side with the Islamist have little regard for truth or any attachment to reality.
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For those of you who havent quite grasped the concept, she is making this shiite up. 3 Deaths in all of 2006. Her claim of 7,754 from mid 2006 to mid 2007 is a complete fabrication. Revealing which of you simply accept her statements as gospel because they fit in with your 'love to hate America' mentality. Good freakin god people. Look it up yourselves. Dont be so freakin eager to accept the dribble that those who side with the Islamist try to feed you. Or at least dont eat it up with such enthusiasm.
