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Fear is the darkroom where only negatives are formed.
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Understanding the Enemy
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There is bewitched's answer, in A WORD.
Fear is the darkroom where only negatives are formed.
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LMAO.
Scaring people with 'doom and gloom' predictions doesn't quite measure up to rational thought, does it?
Religion and politics has ALWAYS been intertwined since the beginning of human civilization. It has been first theorized in political philosophy by augustine, bishop of hippo in 'civitas dei'.
ANY IDEA, not only religion, and certainly not only islam, can serve as a platform for political action. Try posting something we don't already know.
AlicornsPrayer
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Sure...That's your story, and you're sticking to it, right?
Are you really that dense? Do you really need me to list all 844 hate groups that are here in the US, that are home-grown?
Or do you need the list of abortion bombings, attempted abortion bombings, and other terrorist actions from these groups listed?
Buildings destroyed by arson and hate messages spray painted on properties targeted by hate groups...
Heck, and let's not forget the shootings, murders, and assults all done in the name of hate and racism...And everyone is a target depending on which hate group you run into...
Although the faction of extremist Muslim terrorists are a concern, they're a 'across the pond' fear...Yes, they managed to hit us at home...But every day in the US, approximately every 40 seconds, a US citizen is the victim of homegrown terrorism at the hands of hate groups that are perfectly legal to exsist here...US radicals and extremists driven by race, religion, and sexual orientation predjudices and bigotry...The immediate threat being our own people targeting those in our communities out of hate.
So the more important terrorist to address is the one's we already got here. We do very well at tearing our own selves up from the inside out. Every day we do the job for them by allowing our own terrorists to divide our nation. And although I hate to say this...the majority of those hate groups that resort to terrorist acts right here in the US, are Christian based in religious preferences...
So play dumb all you wish, try to pretend that the greater threat is Islam...But the reality and truth of the matter is hate is a way of life here in the US and is mainly perpetrated by Christian hate groups. And these groups are very well skilled in using fear mongering to help their numbers grow bigger....By painting any group they don't like, with the broad brush of 'they are the enemy and will harm us, destroy our way of life, getting special privelages'...
We are our own worst enemies.
Coyote
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I don't know, but you could try asking Tim McVeigh's neighbors...
Coyote
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Your statement is full of logical fallacies: Argumentum ad nauseam, false dichotomy, fallacy of presupposition...
Try again
Coyote
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Good point about OJ.
However, I suggest you examine "fundamentalism" in all the world's major relgions: you will not find freedom.
The correct equation is not: Islam does not equal Freedom but rather fundamentalism does not equal freedom.
Coyote
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Coyote
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Interesting analogy.
I think he looked at all the US troops in the region in 1998 and our attacks against Iraqi in enforcing the no fly zones and made -
not a 400% increase in both.
Soooo whats your point? I am criticizing Islamic Doctrine. Do you imagine your criticism of Western Democracy some how negates my criticism of Islamic doctrine? Perhaps you should start your own thread "Understanding the enemy" in regards to Wesern Democracy.
Aaand in the last 10 years theyve killed??? how many Americans? 2? 3? ANY?
AlicornsPrayer
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ROTFLMAOL!!!
Ok, you wanted it listed by State/City...
So far, just the numbers from mid-2006 to mid-2007 is 7,754 hate related deaths out of 17,034 deaths nationwide...And if you'd like, I could also include hate related simple assualts, aggrivated assaults, rapes, property crime, and arsons...By state/city...And that will be updated in June of 2008, for the last half of 2007...Hate crime nationally is up 1.8% from the previous 12 month cycle...which at that time was 1.2% up from the previous 12 month cycle...
I can also go as far as tell you about 2 victims I knew personally, that died because of being caught in the middle of a racial hate related crime...As well as 2 victims that survived that same incident with injuries, and the cost of the property damage and impact on our community...
And the persons responsible, are still at large...They'll be facing two cases of murder, as well as 1 case of attempted murder, and facing other charges relating to the injuries caused to the other person that resulted in the two deaths.
Case of woman pregnant, and the hate-motivated shooting causing injuries to her that in turn caused the premature birth of her twins...who died.
Or would you just like to pretend that such incidents aren't a common occurance here in the states to futher your propaganda and anti-Muslim tirade?
Cause darling...I've got plenty of time and plenty of patience, to point out each and every incident of hate crime that terrorizes our communities, families, neighborhoods, and homes on a daily basis right here at home. Not just headliners, but incidents that hardly get a blurb in the media cause it's so common place.
As much as global terrorism is a concern...Which incidentally isn't solely at the hands of Muslim extremists, but several international non-Muslim groups as well...Home terrorism is on a rise and is much a greater concern to what becomes of us and our country. Everything from white supremist groups, to anti-goverment groups, to gang-bangers...
Until we stop hating each other here in our own country for whatever reason, we'll never be capable of handling the hate from the rest of the world...Cause we'll destroy ourselves way before they get a chance to.
YOUR problem is, if it doesn't hit the headlines and isn't Muslim related, you just simply do not care...As far as you are concerned, it doesn't exsist and doesn't hold precedence over your own personal hatred of Muslims...
So if you want to play...go for it Bewitched. I really don't mind in the least...I enjoy putting up stats from the Hate Crime Bureau...Cause I know people who are part of those stats and it's the best way for them to be remembered...
Why you ask? Cause it's people like you who want to pretend they didn't exsist and try to minimize the importance of their losses through your own fear-mongering and hate-mongering agendas...
LMAO.
You wouldn't understand logic if it sat on your face!
The point is the standards you employ, according to which islamic doctrine is invalid make western democracy invalid as well. And since you are stating a STRICTLY 'or' proposition, then everyone is acting according to an invalid idealogy, hence having no moral or logical ascendency to claim anything.
Clear?
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"Why"? To highlight that while these hate groups have killed 2? 3? any? in the last 10 years, Islamic Fundamentalist have killed 1000s. Everybody usually picks a side in these conflicts, youve picked yours and I have mine.
