Prove that God doesn't exist.

[top gun]

so we're agreed that it can neither be proven nor dis proven and that games to the contrary are fairly pointless.

we'll need to agree to disagree on the latter as I can't see how such perpetuation can be accomplished sans validation. while my mom's faith certainly made be curious, I could not be the christian that I am were it not for a very real epiphany I experienced and continues to unfold for me.

It's been obvious from the start that it cannot be proven or conclusively disproven... yet. As to disprove it you'd have to have a testable theory to explain how all life began. As of now we have the big bang theory buy not the test and we have the fossilized facts of evolution.

However eventually I believe just as we learned to understand & unlocked the mysteries of the atom we will know how all began scientifically.

As for your epiphany people interpret and rationalize the unknown in their own ways. You see a God... I see no dragon in the garage. You'll see my tag line at the bottom of every post... the invisable and the non-existant look very much alike

To me as someone who was very church going in fact lived directly across the street from our church "Our Savior Lutheran Church" with all the family attendance and as a child Sunday School that was offered for about 20 years I felt educated but never any "epiphany". As I later studied religions of the world and world history I tracked the patterns in dogma & location that religion had taken over a couple thousand centuries of time. I also studied the science of things and compared that to religious explainations. I then drew what I felt the most informed conclusions.

And I point out again that your indoctrination created your belief system. If your family was Jewish... the highest probability is you'd be practicing Judaism.. if Muslim... you'd be practicing Islam and so on.

And if born on a desert island you'd be practicing none of the above because you'd have no implanted mindset of a Jesus or a God or anything else.

 

[dogtowner]

It's been obvious from the start that it cannot be proven or conclusively disproven... yet. As to disprove it you'd have to have a testable theory to explain how all life began. As of now we have the big bang theory buy not the test and we have the fossilized facts of evolution.

However eventually I believe just as we learned to understand & unlocked the mysteries of the atom we will know how all began scientifically.

As for your epiphany people interpret and rationalize the unknown in their own ways. You see a God... I see no dragon in the garage. You'll see my tag line at the bottom of every post... the invisable and the non-existant look very much alike

To me as someone who was very church going in fact lived directly across the street from our church "Our Savior Lutheran Church" with all the family attendance and as a child Sunday School that was offered for about 20 years I felt educated but never any "epiphany". As I later studied religions of the world and world history I tracked the patterns in dogma & location that religion had taken over a couple thousand centuries of time. I also studied the science of things and compared that to religious explainations. I then drew what I felt the most informed conclusions.

And I point out again that your indoctrination created your belief system. If your family was Jewish... the highest probability is you'd be practicing Judaism.. if Muslim... you'd be practicing Islam and so on.

And if born on a desert island you'd be practicing none of the above because you'd have no implanted mindset of a Jesus or a God or anything else.

did you ever ask for one ?

God is not one to force it upon you, free will and all.

 

[top gun]

did you ever ask for one ?

God is not one to force it upon you, free will and all.

Of course I did.

All throughout childhood and up into college I was very into church. I would have been glad to have and epiphany... heck I'd like one still today.

It's not that I wouldn't like it if the whole religion thing were true. I actually would. I think it would be very comforting. In fact I believe that's why there's so much jail house and death bed religion. It's comforting in a time of great stress to think there is a better place.

That said at some point when you really, really study something (I myself did college papers on religions of the world... although I'm 52 now and that was a long, long time ago) you either believe it or you don't based on everything you've ever experienced and everything you've ever learned.

I do try to respect others who do believe. It's just when these "proof" topics come up it's difficult to state what I've learned and how I truly feel and not come off as uber anti-religion.

But I'm actually fine with others believing... as long as they don't force their views on others we're golden.

 

[groupthink]

wich god?

 

[top gun]

wich god?

Mathamatically speaking... none.

 

[groupthink]

i just spoke with zues on mt olympus.....can anyone prove he did not just teleport me there to speak with me ?

 

[top gun]

i just spoke with zues on mt olympus.....can anyone prove he did not just teleport me there to speak with me ?

As you have seen some do not understand the difficulty in trying to prove a mystical negative.

Tell Zues hi from topgun!

 

[citizenzen]

Ok, for all you Atheists out there: Let's hear your argument against the existence of God.

The best explanation I've heard comes from Richard Dawkins...

"We are all atheists about most of the gods that societies have ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further."​

I do hope nobody's referenced that quote already. Pardon me for not wading through the past 1,300 posts to find out.

 

[rationalist]

If you are going to believe in something because it cannot be proven that it doesn't exist then you are obliged to believe in eveything including God2 who is an evil genius who really made the world and warped the minds of certain people to believe nonsense about a benevolent creator.

So when your children are scared of the bogey man you will have to say he is real and you should be afraid.

 

[top gun]

The best explanation I've heard comes from Richard Dawkins...

"We are all atheists about most of the gods that societies have ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further."​

I do hope nobody's referenced that quote already. Pardon me for not wading through the past 1,300 posts to find out.

Nope that's a new one... and a good one!

 

[Free Palestine]

For sure the God does exist .

You can find it out from these questions . All who don't believe in the existence of the God can ask themselves these questions :

1) If you came to a friend and saw a very beautiful house , then you asked your friend : who built this nice house ? And he answered : No one, I just woke up and it was built by coincidence. So would you believe him ?? For sure you will not.

Then if you don't believe that the coincidence can create a house, so how can you believe that it created all this great universe ???! .


2) If we believe that there was a cell which lived billions of yrs in the past and by some conditions it became a creature and then ....... till it became a human. You have to think : how did this cell exist ? how did the condition even exist ? there must be someone who created everything who is the God .

The human brain cannot believe that there can be something without a maker , and this what leads to believe that everything has a maker who is the God .

 

[dahermit]

For sure the God does exist .

You can find it out from these questions . All who don't believe in the existence of the God can ask themselves these questions :

1) If you came to a friend and saw a very beautiful house , then you asked your friend : who built this nice house ? And he answered : No one, I just woke up and it was built by coincidence. So would you believe him ?? For sure you will not.

Then if you don't believe that the coincidence can create a house, so how can you believe that it created all this great universe ???! .


2) If we believe that there was a cell which lived billions of yrs in the past and by some conditions it became a creature and then ....... till it became a human. You have to think : how did this cell exist ? how did the condition even exist ? there must be someone who created everything who is the God .

The human brain cannot believe that there can be something without a maker , and this what leads to believe that everything has a maker who is the God .

For all non-believers (atheists), what evidence would you accept as proof of the existence of god?

Now that all you believers are nodding you head sagely; for all you believers, what evidence would you accept as proof that god does not exist? Also, what evidence do you have that there is only one god? lastly, what makes you so dammed gullible?

I regard to the points in the quoted post, they are simplistic to the point where it is evident that the author has a basic lack of the understanding of science. Therefore, there is no point in responding inasmuch as he would not have the ability to understand anyway.

The illustration of a house representing the complexity of the existence of life on earth is a dullards rationalization...something one would hear from the pulpit or in a children's Sunday School class.

 

[rationalist]

Because you have to say that the house did not build itself does not mean you can start inferring all sorts of stuff about the character of the builder.

That is an example of the spurious logic that the religious use and they know it is wrong.

That it keeps getting trotted out is pitiful.

And the title of this thread sums up religion. It has to resort to demanding that non believers prove that god doesn't exist.

Which is just ridiculous.

 

[PLC1]

Because you have to say that the house did not build itself does not mean you can start inferring all sorts of stuff about the character of the builder.

but you can infer that there must have been a builder.

 

[rationalist]

Not necessarily.

But even if you could you would have to explain where the builder came from and you certainly cannot say he is all loving and all that nonesense.

Drop this argument. It is long discredited and it makes you look desperate