Prove that God doesn't exist.

[Mare Tranquillity]

All of the "proof" of God's existence is subjective, which is why it's best to believe as you feel is correct, but do not ask or demand that others follow your tenets.

There is no objective proof of "God", if there was, then we would not be having this discussion. For instance, has there ever been a thread on whether the Earth exists? No, we have objective proof of its existence, but for God there is none.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

Is that not the same for you?

My belief is based on faith that the other two factors would not exist save for the existence of God.

The evidence is in all of nature from the complicated configuration of the eye, to the simplistic form of grass, or the amoeba. It also exists in the very concept of the universe in which every factor is strictly arranged for balance including that of our solar system. If even one planet was off by one degree no life would exist.

Logic makes the argument that in any form of science, especially that of mathematics, coincidence, or the thoery of chance, could not explain how such complicated forms of life could occur.

Nor has science been able to explain from what matter the earth, or the universe, was formed.

Now, since God is not made of matter, He is a spiritual being, how can you explain away what logic demands must exist?

And please make a compelling argument rather then the BS you most often post.

You should be embarrased for yourself, not for others. Most often I find no logical reasoning for the non-existence of God. Like you most often do, the argument mostly exists only in mockery for ones beliefs.

You make a compelling case for saying, "I don't know." Stating that it was "God" is a leap that is not supported by your evidence. Perhaps you could say that you don't know so you are going to arbitrarily ASSUME that it was God, that would be a more honest statement.

Truth to tell, one could use your evidence to leap to the conclusion that Satan did all that stuff. We don't know that Satan didn't, do we? You could argue that Satan wouldn't do anything good, but again, we don't know what motivates Satan, perhaps doing something we see as good will allow Satan to achieve some evil later on--something that our limited perspective can't see yet.

 

[OldTrapper]

You make a compelling case for saying, "I don't know." Stating that it was "God" is a leap that is not supported by your evidence. Perhaps you could say that you don't know so you are going to arbitrarily ASSUME that it was God, that would be a more honest statement.

That might be an "honest" statement for you, however, it does not reflect what I believe. In fact, I find it much harder in the face of the evidence to believe that God does not exist. I know it takes a lot more "work" to not believe.

In your previous post you made the comment ", which is why it's best to believe as you feel is correct, but do not ask or demand that others follow your tenets.". No one that I have ever known who calls themselves a Christian has demanded that you give up your beliefs, or tried to force another to accept those beliefs. However, the Atheist, or the non-believer, has consistently tried to force their beliefs on others through the courts, by law, or in whatever style they wish to use.

And I rarely see a Christian mocking an Atheist, yet Atheists consistently mock Christians in virtually every thread in this forum, and others.

Truth to tell, one could use your evidence to leap to the conclusion that Satan did all that stuff. We don't know that Satan didn't, do we? You could argue that Satan wouldn't do anything good, but again, we don't know what motivates Satan, perhaps doing something we see as good will allow Satan to achieve some evil later on--something that our limited perspective can't see yet.

That would not be true at all. It would be like saying God uses terrorism to force others to support Him, and Satan is the "Prince of Peace". In all of life there is a force for good, and evil. One can see it each day just by watching the news.

Anyway, maybe you should read this:

http://www.everystudent.com/features/isthere.html

 

[Devil505]

It wasn't god who elected those two to the WH, it was us. It was god who told them to invade Iraq, however.

In actuality...... it was daddy's buddies on the SCOTUS that appointed little Georgie to his first term. (He lost to Gore)

 

[Devil505]

No, you are wrong.

The people of the US got it wrong.

They elected Al Gore so the devil interfered to ensure that these two could ply their evil trade.

And where was god?

He was not existing, that's where he was.

Just to clarify.......The GOP paid me well to make that little arrangement!

 

[rationalist]

Nice work Devil

I have a question for you though.

In your capacity as the evil one you are doing god's will with all that tempting and burning and stuff so doesn't that compromise your status as the gold medalist in the evil olympics?

Aren't you at risk of having your medal taken away?

 

[Devil505]

Nice work Devil

I have a question for you though.

In your capacity as the evil one you are doing god's will with all that tempting and burning and stuff so doesn't that compromise your status as the gold medalist in the evil olympics?

Aren't you at risk of having your medal taken away?

Nah............................... (pretty snappy reply, eh?.........It's early & even the Devil needs coffee or a call to Ann Coulter before my evil mind gets working well)

 

[Devil505]

Truth to tell, one could use your evidence to leap to the conclusion that Satan did all that stuff. We don't know that Satan didn't, do we? You could argue that Satan wouldn't do anything good, but again, we don't know what motivates Satan, perhaps doing something we see as good will allow Satan to achieve some evil later on--something that our limited perspective can't see yet.

Excuse me but.........You used my name FIVE times in that one sentence! (there are copyright infringement protections you know)

 

[rationalist]

Do you have a recipe for devilled chicken livers by any chance?

 

[OldTrapper]

In actuality...... it was daddy's buddies on the SCOTUS that appointed little Georgie to his first term. (He lost to Gore)

If you had ever read Bush v Gore (like I suggested you do in the past) you would have "discovered" that all of the justices agreed that the Florida Supreme Court had violated the Constitution, and Florida law. The differences they had were in the remedy.

Then too, just as in the past, you ignore the reality that only 3 of the justices were Conservatives, 2 were moderates, and 4 were left wing loonies.

Of course, why should reality matter to you.

 

[PLC1]

If you had ever read Bush v Gore (like I suggested you do in the past) you would have "discovered" that all of the justices agreed that the Florida Supreme Court had violated the Constitution, and Florida law. The differences they had were in the remedy.

Then too, just as in the past, you ignore the reality that only 3 of the justices were Conservatives, 2 were moderates, and 4 were left wing loonies.

Of course, why should reality matter to you.

Three conservatives to four left wing loonies? More proof that Bush was a left wing loony, correct?

 

[OldTrapper]

Three conservatives to four left wing loonies? More proof that Bush was a left wing loony, correct?

Actually, Kennedy, and O'Connor, the two "moderates" voted most often with the left.

It is more proof that the left wing loonies rarely know what they are talking about, and will willingly lie to prove their point.

 

[OldTrapper]

All of the "proof" of God's existence is subjective, which is why it's best to believe as you feel is correct, but do not ask or demand that others follow your tenets.

There is no objective proof of "God", if there was, then we would not be having this discussion. For instance, has there ever been a thread on whether the Earth exists? No, we have objective proof of its existence, but for God there is none.

Sure we would. There always has been, and always will be, those who will deny the existence of God, and work tirelessly in an attempt to destroy that belief in others.

If one believes in God, especially the Christian God, then one could hardly support abortion, homosexuality, feminism in its modern form, and a whole host of other issues. Men would be encouraged to work for a living to support their families rather then allow the State to do it for them. Women would be proud to be mothers, and wives, and would protect, and nurture, their children rather then persuing a career over raising a family. In reality, the earth would be cleaner since Christians are the true environmentalists such as the Amish.

God is the basis for morality, and for a concern for others rather then one's self. That is why He has to be destroyed in the minds of some.

Now, one of your remarks would be that women have to work. That is BS. Women were first encouraged to go to work for the cheap labor, and that has not changed.

 

[PLC1]

Sure we would. There always has been, and always will be, those who will deny the existence of God, and work tirelessly in an attempt to destroy that belief in others.

If one believes in God, especially the Christian God, then one could hardly support abortion, homosexuality, feminism in its modern form, and a whole host of other issues. Men would be encouraged to work for a living to support their families rather then allow the State to do it for them. Women would be proud to be mothers, and wives, and would protect, and nurture, their children rather then persuing a career over raising a family. In reality, the earth would be cleaner since Christians are the true environmentalists such as the Amish.

God is the basis for morality, and for a concern for others rather then one's self. That is why He has to be destroyed in the minds of some.

Now, one of your remarks would be that women have to work. That is BS. Women were first encouraged to go to work for the cheap labor, and that has not changed.

Are you sure that your god is the true, right, and only one? Maybe she is the one promoting feminism.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

That might be an "honest" statement for you, however, it does not reflect what I believe. In fact, I find it much harder in the face of the evidence to believe that God does not exist. I know it takes a lot more "work" to not believe.

So you believe what's easy to believe. I mostly look at the evidence

In your previous post you made the comment ", which is why it's best to believe as you feel is correct, but do not ask or demand that others follow your tenets.". No one that I have ever known who calls themselves a Christian has demanded that you give up your beliefs, or tried to force another to accept those beliefs. However, the Atheist, or the non-believer, has consistently tried to force their beliefs on others through the courts, by law, or in whatever style they wish to use.

You mean to tell me that it was atheists who passed all those laws against gay people? It was atheists who burned a million women at the stake for being witches? It was atheists who ran the Crusades and the Inquistion? You do have a unique view of history.

Christians right now are trying to pass a Constitutional amendment to ban gay people from having the same legal rights as all other consenting adults in this country--and they are doing it with the force of law based on nothing but their greater numerical presence.

If you have examples of atheists forcing their beliefs on others I'd be interested in seeing them.

And I rarely see a Christian mocking an Atheist, yet Atheists consistently mock Christians in virtually every thread in this forum, and others.

As I have noted previously, no one makes fun of Quakers, but the Rev. Fred Phelps and the Pat Robertsons of the Christian religion make it a mockery all by themselves. When Christians ignore the 6 most important words in the whole Bible (according to Jesus) and run rampant over people they have passed judgment on (something else they are forbidden to do) then they deserve all the mockery they receive. The egregious self-righteous hyposcrisy makes them the butt of jokes, not the returning of good for evil or turning the other cheek.

That would not be true at all. It would be like saying God uses terrorism to force others to support Him, and Satan is the "Prince of Peace". In all of life there is a force for good, and evil. One can see it each day just by watching the news.

We don't know who did what or why, if assuming that it was a god makes you happy, then by all means believe that, but please don't try to force me to share your beliefs, don't try to use the law to make me obey your religous tenets.