True.
But by the grand scale of the thousands of centuries of conflicting dogma (all claimed to be absolute) it also doesn't give us license to follow a false one.
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True.
But by the grand scale of the thousands of centuries of conflicting dogma (all claimed to be absolute) it also doesn't give us license to follow a false one.
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It should give one pause when a god is declared to be the one true, absolute, and must be obeyed.
Personally, I don't think we humans are supposed to know what god is like. If we were, then he/she/they would make sure we did know.
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All gods are declared to be the one true, absolute, and must be obeyed.
Not in a polytheistic religion.
That's why if I were going to believe I'd probably have to go with many of our founding fathers and go Deist. At least that leaves everything just directly between me and God.
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When my brain ceases to function and the electro-chemical interactions cease, I will cease to exist as a sentient mind,
But what do you mean by "creation"? One can also argue that "the creator" is itself a creation. So where does it start? "God" just isn't a good enough answer to the question of existence.
What is then? We have self awareness, so we know we exist. We perceive through our senses a world, a universe, other people, so we know, or at least believe, that they exist also. Why does any of it exist if it wasn't created?
It becomes an endless unprovable circle.
It goes like this. God created everything.
Then who created God... God is something?
God was the before and always.
OK then just the same the most basic elements could have been before and always and through billions or trillions of years eventually interacted in combinations that formed basic life which then evolved.
Everyone should find this very familiar... it's the old which came first the chicken or the egg question extrapolated out to the beginning of time.
One thing for sure even if you go with a "God created" position you hurt that position when you try to ram just one out of all the religions of the world in as the connection.
What always amuses me is this. Think how pissed God would be if everyone following a man made religion was simply following a false prophet.
Think about it...
It becomes an endless unprovable circle.
It goes like this. God created everything.
Then who created God... God is something?
God was the before and always.
OK then just the same the most basic elements could have been before and always and through billions or trillions of years eventually interacted in combinations that formed basic life which then evolved.
Everyone should find this very familiar... it's the old which came first the chicken or the egg question extrapolated out to the beginning of time.
One thing for sure even if you go with a "God created" position you hurt that position when you try to ram just one out of all the religions of the world in as the connection.
What always amuses me is this. Think how pissed God would be if everyone following a man made religion was simply following a false prophet.
Think about it...
Humans haven't always existed, the Earth hasn't always existed, the universe hasn't even always existed, but god has always existed. There is no chicken and egg question. God didn't have to come first, as god has always been.
The matter that makes humans has always existed. The matter that Earth is made of always existed (but not in its present form). However, matter becomes energy, energy becomes matter. Space and matter/energy have always existed in one form or another even if science has not figured it all out. It was not "created", therefore, no "creation", no "creator".
If there was a "before the universe existed", then all was a great void. If all was void (nothing), then what was God? Everything must be made from something.
Your argument is like saying that the silicone in the bricks, the carbon and hydrogen in the wood, always existed in one form or another, so no one created the house. The universe hasn't always existed, at least not as we know it, according to the scientists who tell us about the big bang theory.
Personally, I admit I don't understand the big bang theory, how all of the matter in the universe could have been in an infinitely small space. But, if the matter that makes up the universe existed before that time in some form or other, then that matter has always existed. The universe, however, has not. God is not matter, and has always existed.
It is my understanding that the Big Bang Theory has been abandoned by scientists.
Not "like", very different. The planets and other bodies in our solar system are not complicated "creations", they are random bodies of common elements governed by the laws of physics. Nothing mysterious or mystical. Besides that, how do you know that, "God is not matter, and has always existed."? Perhaps God is made up of "dark matter".
Perhaps he is. We don't really know what god might be, do we?
The scientists have abandoned the big bang? I didn't know that. It's just as well, as I never understood it anyway.
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Sounds like an assumption that a god exists.
For awhile they were saying that the Big Bang was more likely a Big Bang, Bang, Bang, in a continuous cycle. All the matter in the universe was expelled outward with an explosion until it slowed and gravity began pulling it back to the center with ever increasing velocity until everything converged resulting in another Big Bang. But, they have decided that theory was also faulty. Moot point anyway, man will be long extinct before he gets it all figured out.
