Prove that God doesn't exist.

[top gun]

Humans haven't always existed, the Earth hasn't always existed, the universe hasn't even always existed, but god has always existed. There is no chicken and egg question. God didn't have to come first, as god has always been.

OR... not.

That's simply an opinion. God is a faith. It is not a proven. And while we can prove many things scientifically and follow patterns from and grow from the additional knowledge we acquire we cannot prove a God nor has a "God" presented himself to provide proof.

It is the ultimate chicken or the egg question. And as such leaves us each free to believe in either a glorified Aesop's Fable or science.

Heathens Greetings!

 

[dogtowner]

OR... not.

That's simply an opinion. God is a faith. It is not a proven. And while we can prove many things scientifically and follow patterns from and grow from the additional knowledge we acquire we cannot prove a God nor has a "God" presented himself to provide proof.

It is the ultimate chicken or the egg question. And as such leaves us each free to believe in either a glorified Aesop's Fable or science.

Heathens Greetings!

bad assumption re chix/egg God by definition came first.

and God can be neither proven nor disproven but its wrong to asusme He's not presented Himself, He has to me and I know I'm not unique.

oh

science and God need not be in conflict. He created science too.

 

[dahermit]

bad assumption re chix/egg God by definition came first.

and God can be neither proven nor disproven but its wrong to asusme He's not presented Himself, He has to me and I know I'm not unique.
oh
science and God need not be in conflict. He created science too.

If God can be neither "proven" or "disproven" [sic, no such words], it is wrong to assume he has presented himself. He has not to me and I know I am not unique.

Also, if God exists, it is not likely a "he", in that there would be no purpose for male genitalia. God would, by definition, be an "it".

There is no evidence that God created science. There is no evidence that the laws of science have not always existed.

If God created the universe, earth, man, why did it wait so long? Why the eternity before getting around to the "creation"? The answer is: The existence of a God is a simplistic human fable with obvious fallacies for anyone smart enough to think instead of accepting the social influences that comes from society and the church.

 

[dogtowner]

If God can be neither "proven" or "disproven" [sic, no such words], it is wrong to assume he has presented himself. He has not to me and I know I am not unique.

Also, if God exists, it is not likely a "he", in that there would be no purpose for male genitalia. God would, by definition, be an "it".

There is no evidence that God created science. There is no evidence that the laws of science have not always existed.

If God created the universe, earth, man, why did it wait so long? Why the eternity before getting around to the "creation"? The answer is: The existence of a God is a simplistic human fable with obvious fallacies for anyone smart enough to think instead of accepting the social influences that comes from society and the church.

feel all superior now spelling nazi ? I freely admit to being the worst speller on earth.

of course the laws of science existed long before man happened across them (or was given the ability to learn that htey existed) so clearly they came from God as there was nothing else to create a universe where they govern how things behave.

Him or her is just prose. Boats are generally referred to as feminine and anything not known to be one thing or another defaults to male.

Accept God on faith and I guarantee He will present to you. He never fails true faith.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

feel all superior now spelling nazi ? I freely admit to being the worst speller on earth.

of course the laws of science existed long before man happened across them (or was given the ability to learn that htey existed) so clearly they came from God as there was nothing else to create a universe where they govern how things behave.

Him or her is just prose. Boats are generally referred to as feminine and anything not known to be one thing or another defaults to male.

Accept God on faith and I guarantee He will present to you. He never fails true faith.

I willing to go with you as far as "some process we don't understand is at work here." Labeling it "god" is just putting a name on what you have no knowledge of. There is a Creative Force apparently working, but we know nothing about that Creative Force despite all the wild claims by religious people all down through history, wild claims without a shred of objective proof.

Your comment about God presenting Himself to you could be nothing more than your hallucination of something you desperately want to believe. If it works for you, I'm happy for you, but please don't assume that anyone else can or will or needs to find the same answer that you have.

This is the point where I diverge from the Christians who have banned gay marriage. They feel that their beliefs (or hallucinations) give them the right to coerce others into following their religious dogma through force of law. You found God for yourself, should not others have the same right to use their God-given free will to seek God in their own way as long as they don't harm others?

 

[PLC1]

If God can be neither "proven" or "disproven" [sic, no such words], it is wrong to assume he has presented himself. He has not to me and I know I am not unique.

Also, if God exists, it is not likely a "he", in that there would be no purpose for male genitalia. God would, by definition, be an "it".

There is no evidence that God created science. There is no evidence that the laws of science have not always existed.

If God created the universe, earth, man, why did it wait so long? Why the eternity before getting around to the "creation"? The answer is: The existence of a God is a simplistic human fable with obvious fallacies for anyone smart enough to think instead of accepting the social influences that comes from society and the church.

What makes you think that god waited to create the Earth and man? Do you think that this is the only world that has been created?

Further, if god exists outside of the space time continuum, then the concept of him waiting is meaningless.

 

[dahermit]

What makes you think that god waited to create the Earth and man? Do you think that this is the only world that has been created?

Scientists use scientific means that indicate that man is fairly recent compared to earth, rocks, space objects (our sun for instance).

Further, if god exists outside of the space time continuum, then the concept of him waiting is meaningless.

There is not evidence that anything exists outside of time and space.

 

[dahermit]

feel all superior now spelling nazi ? I freely admit to being the worst speller on earth.

No, I am the worst speller. However, I am smart enough to use the available spell checker that can be downloaded and used for free. search on ieSpell.

of course the laws of science existed long before man happened across them (or was given the ability to learn that they existed) so clearly they came from God as there was nothing else to create a universe where they govern how things behave.

"So clearly"? The "laws of science" are the natural functions of reality. They have always existed. They were not created by a God. Now, prove otherwise instead of repeating what your Sunday School teacher has told you.

Him or her is just prose. Boats are generally referred to as feminine and anything not known to be one thing or another defaults to male.

It is not "prose". What you are trying to say is that gender is a moot point.

Accept God on faith and I guarantee He will present to you. He never fails true faith.

All the persons who died in Nazi concentration camps must not have had "true faith". You cannot "Guarantee" anything except a belief in superstition.

 

[PLC1]

Scientists use scientific means that indicate that man is fairly recent compared to earth, rocks, space objects (our sun for instance).




There is not evidence that anything exists outside of time and space.

Scientists don't know if there were other worlds created before this one. They are just now beginning the search of Earth like planets that might harbor life. That really doesn't matter, of course, since science can't prove or disprove the existence of god.

 

[dahermit]

Scientists don't know if there were other worlds created before this one. They are just now beginning the search of Earth like planets that might harbor life. That really doesn't matter, of course, since science can't prove or disprove the existence of god.

I can agree with that.

 

[top gun]

bad assumption re chix/egg God by definition came first.

and God can be neither proven nor disproven but its wrong to asusme He's not presented Himself, He has to me and I know I'm not unique.

oh

science and God need not be in conflict. He created science too.

Only by a totally faith based definition.

There is absolutely no proof of a god or a devil or fairies or leprechauns or witches & warlocks, vampires or werewolves. Do some people believe in them though... most certainly. The standard for proof is more than just oneself believing in something. And it's crystal clear that when a group is isolated like primitive tribes on an desert island and not indoctrinated with what others tell them they see things completely differently than in modern day religious society.

You are entitled to your opinion of course. But it is only one opinion of many and certainly not a fact that has ever been proven.

I think Abraham Linclon stated it well...

For those who like this sort of thing, this is the sort of thing they like.
Abraham Lincoln

One can try to explain the reasons for unlikelihood like this.

But I actually like this young ladies take. Probably most reflects mine. It's easy to say something unknown is possible... that puts the non-convinced side into the position of "trying to prove a negative about an admitted unknown quantity" which is not possible. But just like the dragon in the garage there's no reason to believe in it either just because someone has said that it exists and that it has done certain things.

 

[dogtowner]

No, I am the worst speller. However, I am smart enough to use the available spell checker that can be downloaded and used for free. search on ieSpell.

you assume I give a **** about my spelling here.

"So clearly"? The "laws of science" are the natural functions of reality. They have always existed. They were not created by a God. Now, prove otherwise instead of repeating what your Sunday School teacher has told you.

God created the reality, ergo the rules that apply.

It is not "prose". What you are trying to say is that gender is a moot point.

its both, as I indicated. always knew that my degree in English would come in handy one day.

All the persons who died in Nazi concentration camps must not have had "true faith". You cannot "Guarantee" anything except a belief in superstition.

What a silly statement. Can you put forth that they all abandoned their faith ? No, you can't. There is nothing new about people dying for their faith. Evil also exists in the world.

 

[dogtowner]

Only by a totally faith based definition.

There is absolutely no proof of a god or a devil or fairies or leprechauns or witches & warlocks, vampires or werewolves. Do some people believe in them though... most certainly. The standard for proof is more than just oneself believing in something. And it's crystal clear that when a group is isolated like primitive tribes on an desert island and not indoctrinated with what others tell them they see things completely differently than in modern day religious society.

You are entitled to your opinion of course. But it is only one opinion of many and certainly not a fact that has ever been proven.

I think Abraham Linclon stated it well...

For those who like this sort of thing, this is the sort of thing they like.
Abraham Lincoln

One can try to explain the reasons for unlikelihood like this.


But I actually like this young ladies take. Probably most reflects mine. It's easy to say something unknown is possible... that puts the non-convinced side into the position of "trying to prove a negative about an admitted unknown quantity" which is not possible. But just like the dragon in the garage there's no reason to believe in it either just because someone has said that it exists and that it has done certain things.

I never said you could prove God's existance, I did say you could neither prove nor disprove it.


Isolated societies developed religious traditions, cant imaginwe why you would think they did not.

 

[top gun]

I never said you could prove God's existance, I did say you could neither prove nor disprove it.


Isolated societies developed religious traditions, cant imaginwe why you would think they did not.

I'm saying... been saying ever since this thread was started... that this thread was intentionally labeled this way because if is were labeled... I can prove God exists... they simply couldn't.

As far as isolated societies, it proves that it's the indoctrination of fables passed down and not any connection to a god whatsoever that perpetuates the myth.

 

[dogtowner]

I'm saying... been saying ever since this thread was started... that this thread was intentionally labeled this way because if is were labeled... I can prove God exists... they simply couldn't.

As far as isolated societies, it proves that it's the indoctrination of fables passed down and not any connection to a god whatsoever that perpetuates the myth.

so we're agreed that it can neither be proven nor dis proven and that games to the contrary are fairly pointless.

we'll need to agree to disagree on the latter as I can't see how such perpetuation can be accomplished sans validation. while my mom's faith certainly made be curious, I could not be the christian that I am were it not for a very real epiphany I experienced and continues to unfold for me.