Democrats despise American values and traditions

[pjmret]

I remember things also. I remember when JFK abandoned freedom fighters backed by the CIA on the shores of Cuba. I remember when Bill Clinton sent US troops into Somalia and refused to support them, resulting in the infamous 'Black Hawk Down' fiasco where several US soldiers, including my former neighbor at the time, died fighting for their lives. Other American heroes who died fighting for their lives were those supporting the US diplomatic mission in Benghazi where Hillary called off rescuers and watched from the comfort of her American home as our heroes died in a bloody 8-hour battle with terrorists Obama had said were no longer a threat. I also remember when Biden retreated from Afghanistan and abandoned thousands of Americans and American assets to certain torture and death at the hands of bloody Afghan gangsters.

Those who support the crooked democrat regime have no worthwhile respectful memories of American heroes in battle and no respect for cops on a beat in America.

so you would have done what in cuba? invaded with us forces? would you have put back the military dictatorship that castro overthrew? lol.
all in the name of "democracy"? hahahha

 

[pjmret]

so you would have done what in cuba? invaded with us forces? would you have put back the military dictatorship that castro overthrew? lol.
all in the name of "democracy"? hahahha

prove how clinton was to blame for the "black hawk down" incident.

I remember things also. I remember when JFK abandoned freedom fighters backed by the CIA on the shores of Cuba. I remember when Bill Clinton sent US troops into Somalia and refused to support them, resulting in the infamous 'Black Hawk Down' fiasco where several US soldiers, including my former neighbor at the time, died fighting for their lives. Other American heroes who died fighting for their lives were those supporting the US diplomatic mission in Benghazi where Hillary called off rescuers and watched from the comfort of her American home as our heroes died in a bloody 8-hour battle with terrorists Obama had said were no longer a threat. I also remember when Biden retreated from Afghanistan and abandoned thousands of Americans and American assets to certain torture and death at the hands of bloody Afghan gangsters.

Those who support the crooked democrat regime have no worthwhile respectful memories of American heroes in battle and no respect for cops on a beat in America.

 

[pjmret]

I remember things also. I remember when JFK abandoned freedom fighters backed by the CIA on the shores of Cuba. I remember when Bill Clinton sent US troops into Somalia and refused to support them, resulting in the infamous 'Black Hawk Down' fiasco where several US soldiers, including my former neighbor at the time, died fighting for their lives. Other American heroes who died fighting for their lives were those supporting the US diplomatic mission in Benghazi where Hillary called off rescuers and watched from the comfort of her American home as our heroes died in a bloody 8-hour battle with terrorists Obama had said were no longer a threat. I also remember when Biden retreated from Afghanistan and abandoned thousands of Americans and American assets to certain torture and death at the hands of bloody Afghan gangsters.

Those who support the crooked democrat regime have no worthwhile respectful memories of American heroes in battle and no respect for cops on a beat in America.

how could hillary have 'called off" a military operation, *****?
what was her rank in the military? lol

 

[mark francis]

so you would have done what in cuba? invaded with us forces? would you have put back the military dictatorship that castro overthrew? lol.
all in the name of "democracy"? hahahha

Teddy Roosevelt is fondly remembered for his 'invasion' of Morocco to rescue the Pedecarises in a feat memorialized by the dramatized Hollywood film "The Wind and the Lion." Nearly 60 years later, Eisenhower initiated the plan for the invasion of Cuba. Eisenhower's plan was to put the fighters ashore on the coast of Trinidad. Before the invasion began, however, JFK became president, changed the beach landing to the Bay of Pigs and things went downhill from there.

What would I have done? I would have told JFK to follow Eisenhower's advice because Eisenhower knew what he was doing.

 

[Boris Norris]

I remember things also. I remember when JFK abandoned freedom fighters backed by the CIA on the shores of Cuba.

He did not abandon them. You are a liar.

I remember when Bill Clinton sent US troops into Somalia and refused to support them, resulting in the infamous 'Black Hawk Down' fiasco where several US soldiers, including my former neighbor at the time, died fighting for their lives.

Absolute rubbish. Refused my arse. You can't remember what happened Yesterday

Other American heroes who died fighting for their lives were those supporting the US diplomatic mission in Benghazi where Hillary called off rescuers and watched from the comfort of her American home as our heroes died in a bloody 8-hour battle with terrorists Obama had said were no longer a threat.

And she was grilled by Congress fit two days and was exonerated from any wrong doing. You are a liar.

also remember when Biden retreated from Afghanistan and abandoned thousands of Americans and American assets to certain torture and death at the hands of bloody Afghan gangsters.

Thousands of Americans my arse. They were given the opportunity but refused. Pure brain dead. Trump organised the withdrawal and the asserts being left was part of his plan.
You can remember ay?

Those who support the crooked democrat regime have no worthwhile respectful memories of American heroes in battle and no respect for cops on a beat in America.

What they don't have is no respect for lying godbotherers like you.
You're only a kid.

 

[mark francis]

prove how clinton was to blame for the "black hawk down" incident.

Clinton proved an incompetent military leader and his involvement in Somalia proved that.

Clinton's Black Hawk History - On Somalia, the ex-president is as mendacious as ever ~ WSJ. (freerepublic.com)

Clinton's Black Hawk History - On Somalia, the ex-president is as mendacious as ever ~ WSJ.
The Wall Street Journal. | August 6, 2002 | The Wall Street Journal. Editorial Board

Posted on 8/6/2002, 5:40:34 AM by Elle Bee

Clinton's Black Hawk History

We wish Bill Clinton a quiet retirement, if only he'd return the favor. But when the former President distorts history for the sake of political advantage, someone has to clean up afterward.

Responding to Bush Administration suggestions that some of today's corporate scandals first got out of hand under his watch, Mr. Clinton recently shot back: "These people ran on responsibility, but as soon as you scratch them they go straight to blame. Now, you know, I didn't blame his [President Bush's] father for Somalia when we had that awful day memorialized in 'Black Hawk Down.' I didn't do that."

We can understand Mr. Clinton wanting to defend himself, but as usual he can't get his own facts straight. His introduction of Somalia here is one of those breathtakingly brazen attempts to dodge responsibility for which Mr. Clinton is justly famous. Here's the real history:

President Bush the Elder sent U.S. forces into Somalia in December 1992 to aid the United Nations in relieving a massive famine. In May of 1993, four months into his term, President Clinton declared that mission accomplished and pulled out most of the U.S. forces. In a speech on the South Lawn to associate himself with the effort, he extolled the decision to intervene: "If all of you who served had not gone, it is absolutely certain that tens of thousands would have died by now." It was a "successful mission," he said, and "proved yet again that American leadership can help to mobilize international action ..."

But back in Somalia, with no U.S. deterrent, Somalia's warlords began fighting again. After a series of bloody attacks on U.N. peacekeepers, Mr. Clinton launched a new mission: In August 1993, he sent in a force of Rangers and Special Forces units to capture the brutal warlord Mohammad Farrah Aidid and restore order.

That force asked for heavy armor -- in the form of Abrams tanks and Bradley armored vehicles -- as well as the AC-130 gunship, but the Clinton Administration denied those requests. On October 3 on a mission to pick up Aidid, two Black Hawks were unexpectedly shot down; in the ensuing urban gun battle, 18 American soldiers were killed and another 73 injured.

Many military experts believe that if the U.S. forces had had armor, fewer would have died. Secretary of Defense Les Aspin resigned two months after Somalia, having acknowledged that his decision on the armor had been an error. A 1994 Senate Armed Services Committee investigation reached the same conclusion. But perhaps the most poignant statement came from retired Lieutenant Colonel Larry Joyce, father of Sergeant Casey Joyce, a Ranger killed in Mogadishu: "Had there been armor ... I contend that my son would probably be alive today ..."

Mr. Clinton's responsibility in Somalia doesn't stop there. Despite the mistakes that October day, Aidid had been struck a blow. The U.S. military, with 18 dead, wanted nothing more than to finish what it had started. Mr. Clinton instead aborted the mission. The U.S. released the criminals it had captured that same day at such great cost, and the U.N., lacking U.S. support, was powerless to keep order. Somalia remains a lawless, impoverished nation. Worse, the terrorists of al Qaeda interpreted the U.S. retreat from Somalia as a sign of American weakness that may have convinced them we could be induced to retreat from the Middle East if they took their attacks to the U.S. homeland.

Those are the facts. The reason Mr. Clinton can't blame the events of "Black Hawk Down" on President Bush's father is because those events had nothing to do with him. They were Mr. Clinton's responsibility, and his alone.

 

[pjmret]

Teddy Roosevelt is fondly remembered for his 'invasion' of Morocco to rescue the Pedecarises in a feat memorialized by the dramatized Hollywood film "The Wind and the Lion." Nearly 60 years later, Eisenhower initiated the plan for the invasion of Cuba. Eisenhower's plan was to put the fighters ashore on the coast of Trinidad. Before the invasion began, however, JFK became president, changed the beach landing to the Bay of Pigs and things went downhill from there.

What would I have done? I would have told JFK to follow Eisenhower's advice because Eisenhower knew what he was doing.

so you can prove that the original plan would have worked better?

and you would have put a military dictatorship back in place in the name of democracy? lol

 

[pjmret]

Clinton proved an incompetent military leader and his involvement in Somalia proved that.

Clinton's Black Hawk History - On Somalia, the ex-president is as mendacious as ever ~ WSJ. (freerepublic.com)

Clinton's Black Hawk History - On Somalia, the ex-president is as mendacious as ever ~ WSJ.
The Wall Street Journal. | August 6, 2002 | The Wall Street Journal. Editorial Board

Posted on 8/6/2002, 5:40:34 AM by Elle Bee

Clinton's Black Hawk History

We wish Bill Clinton a quiet retirement, if only he'd return the favor. But when the former President distorts history for the sake of political advantage, someone has to clean up afterward.

Responding to Bush Administration suggestions that some of today's corporate scandals first got out of hand under his watch, Mr. Clinton recently shot back: "These people ran on responsibility, but as soon as you scratch them they go straight to blame. Now, you know, I didn't blame his [President Bush's] father for Somalia when we had that awful day memorialized in 'Black Hawk Down.' I didn't do that."

We can understand Mr. Clinton wanting to defend himself, but as usual he can't get his own facts straight. His introduction of Somalia here is one of those breathtakingly brazen attempts to dodge responsibility for which Mr. Clinton is justly famous. Here's the real history:

President Bush the Elder sent U.S. forces into Somalia in December 1992 to aid the United Nations in relieving a massive famine. In May of 1993, four months into his term, President Clinton declared that mission accomplished and pulled out most of the U.S. forces. In a speech on the South Lawn to associate himself with the effort, he extolled the decision to intervene: "If all of you who served had not gone, it is absolutely certain that tens of thousands would have died by now." It was a "successful mission," he said, and "proved yet again that American leadership can help to mobilize international action ..."

But back in Somalia, with no U.S. deterrent, Somalia's warlords began fighting again. After a series of bloody attacks on U.N. peacekeepers, Mr. Clinton launched a new mission: In August 1993, he sent in a force of Rangers and Special Forces units to capture the brutal warlord Mohammad Farrah Aidid and restore order.

That force asked for heavy armor -- in the form of Abrams tanks and Bradley armored vehicles -- as well as the AC-130 gunship, but the Clinton Administration denied those requests. On October 3 on a mission to pick up Aidid, two Black Hawks were unexpectedly shot down; in the ensuing urban gun battle, 18 American soldiers were killed and another 73 injured.

Many military experts believe that if the U.S. forces had had armor, fewer would have died. Secretary of Defense Les Aspin resigned two months after Somalia, having acknowledged that his decision on the armor had been an error. A 1994 Senate Armed Services Committee investigation reached the same conclusion. But perhaps the most poignant statement came from retired Lieutenant Colonel Larry Joyce, father of Sergeant Casey Joyce, a Ranger killed in Mogadishu: "Had there been armor ... I contend that my son would probably be alive today ..."

Mr. Clinton's responsibility in Somalia doesn't stop there. Despite the mistakes that October day, Aidid had been struck a blow. The U.S. military, with 18 dead, wanted nothing more than to finish what it had started. Mr. Clinton instead aborted the mission. The U.S. released the criminals it had captured that same day at such great cost, and the U.N., lacking U.S. support, was powerless to keep order. Somalia remains a lawless, impoverished nation. Worse, the terrorists of al Qaeda interpreted the U.S. retreat from Somalia as a sign of American weakness that may have convinced them we could be induced to retreat from the Middle East if they took their attacks to the U.S. homeland.

Those are the facts. The reason Mr. Clinton can't blame the events of "Black Hawk Down" on President Bush's father is because those events had nothing to do with him. They were Mr. Clinton's responsibility, and his alone.

so no us soldiers would have died if clinton hadn't been president?

 

[mark francis]

how could hillary have 'called off" a military operation, *****?
what was her rank in the military? lol

The military has order and different levels of command. The system is called a "chain-of-command," something Lt. Col. Vindmann violated repeatedly in his pompous handling of the fake Trump/Ukrainian quid-pro-quo false allegation scandal. Military leaders in our modern armed forces show extreme deference to their civilian commanders regardless of the wisdom of orders they receive from some of those civilians in the chain-of-command.

During the Benghazi fiasco the military leaders were looking to their civilian bosses for orders and the order came down from those bosses to "Stand down."

Hillary was in that chain of command above the military commanders and Obama was above her. Who gave the order has never been settled, and some of those civilians claimed the order to stand down was never given. But I believe those with boots on the ground at the time, not those with their lying butts in political slings at the time.

 

[mark francis]

so you can prove that the original plan would have worked better?

and you would have put a military dictatorship back in place in the name of democracy? lol

I don't justify incompetency by claiming some other incompetent plan would have been worse.

 

[mark francis]

so no us soldiers would have died if clinton hadn't been president?

It is doubtful US soldiers would have died if they had been given the weapons they asked for and if they had not been forced into subjection to foreign commanders.

 

[pjmret]

I don't justify incompetency by claiming some other incompetent plan would have been worse.

so maybe the problem was that we shouldn't have been there in the first place.

is that what you believe?

 

[Yo Daddy!]

It doesn't matter because I posted the reason why she was chosen.

Remember when Trump called McCain a loser because he was captured?
I do. What a disgusting pos he is to say that about a marine.

Think before you reply to me son. I've got a good memory.

John McCain was a U.S. Navy pilot, Mister "Good Memory."

I believe Trump was CHARITABLE by saying that McCain was a loser because he was captured.

Imagine the furor and ill feelings that would have arisen had Trump revealed the ACTUAL reason McCain earned Trump's disproval.

John McCain made a disloyal radio broadcast while in North Vietnamese captivity and as a result of torture or threat of same.

John McCain: North Vietnamese Radio - Propaganda Broadcast - 1969 (1:17)​

 

[pjmret]

It is doubtful US soldiers would have died if they had been given the weapons they asked for and if they had not been forced into subjection to foreign commanders.

so you are a military expert now? lol

John McCain was a U.S. Navy pilot, Mister "Good Memory."

I believe Trump was CHARITABLE by saying that McCain was a loser because he was captured.

Imagine the furor and ill feelings that would have arisen had Trump revealed the ACTUAL reason McCain earned Trump's disproval.

John McCain made a disloyal radio broadcast while in North Vietnamese captivity and as a result of torture or threat of same.

John McCain: North Vietnamese Radio - Propaganda Broadcast - 1969 (1:17)​

you actually think trump cared about that? the guy who skipped out on vietnam due to some phony excuse from a doctor bought by his money? hahahahhahahah

the same trump who continues to claim an election was stolen? talk about disloyal to america.

no, trump lashed out at mcclain because he knew he was a man of honor who would never mindlessly worship trump. Trump only cares about himself and desperately needs worship.

 

[mark francis]

so you are a military expert now? lol


you actually think trump cared about that? the guy who skipped out on vietnam due to some phony excuse from a doctor bought by his money? hahahahhahahah

the same trump who continues to claim an election was stolen? talk about disloyal to america.

no, trump lashed out at mcclain because he knew he was a man of honor who would never mindlessly worship trump. Trump only cares about himself and desperately needs worship.

I will never listen to a Bill Clinton supporter criticizing a republican for avoiding the Vietnam war.