California Proposition 8

[ASPCA4EVER]

I do quite a bit or research for my job and as a hobby too, so I took a look at some of the citations Siho has posted.

Sachs, B. D. (1996). Penile erection in response to remote cues from
females: Albino rats severely impaired relative to pigmented
strains. Physiol. Behav. 60, 803–808.

Sevenster, P. (1973). Incompatability of response and reward. In
R. A. Hinde and J. Stevenson-Hinde (Eds.), Constraints on Learning:
Limitations and Predispositions, pp. 265–283. Academic Press,
London.

Stone, C. P. (1922). The congenital sexual behavior of the young
male albino rat. J. Comp. Psychol. 2, 95–153.

Thody, A. J., and Dijkstra, H. (1978). Effect of ovarian steroids on the
preputial gland odours in the female rat. J. Endocrinol. 77, 397–
403

Thorndike, E. L. (1911). Animal Intelligence: Experimental Studies.
New York: Macmillian. ( I really liked this one since it's a century old.)

Tzsechentke, T. M. (1998). Measuring reward with the conditioned
place preference paradigm: A comprehensive review of drug
effects, recent progress, and new issues. Prog. Neurobiol. 56, 613–
672.

Van Furth, W. R., Wolterink-Donnselaar, I. G., and Van Ree, J. M.
(1994). Endogenous opiods are differentially involved in appetitive
and consummatory aspects of sexual behaivor of male rats.
Am. J. Physiol. 266, R606–R613. (This one is certainly an indictment of gay marriage considering the Endogenous opiods involved.)

vom Saal, F. S. (1985). Time-contingent change in infanticide and
parental behavior induced by ejaculation in male mice. Physiol.
Behav. 34, 7–15. (Wow! This sounds like a barn-burner.)

Wersinger, S. R., Baum, M. J., and Erskine, M. S. (1993). Mating induced
FOS-like immunoreactivity in the rat forebrain: A sex
comparison and a dimorphic effect of pelvic nerve transection.
J. Neuroendocrinol. 5, 557–568.

Siho, you should feel like an ass for posting all this stuff without reading any of it. Your zeal is showing.

I'll apologize for this comment beforehand: I'm so sorry but SATAN MADE ME THIS WAY!!!

Having Sihouette connect the dots between what she does for a living {ya, right} and her feelings and thought processes for Prop. #8 {don't forget to toss in those wonderful charming all time favorites of Siho's} that gays & lesbian are molded...not born!!!

Makes as much sense as telling someone who works in a 'balloon factory they must be excellent at giving oral sex'...just because someone works in a factory that has to 'utilize a wind blown product does not a excellent wind blown job make'. And with Sihouettes deviant mental capabilities I'm sure that I don't have to connect those dots to draw the picture of what I was speaking...LMAO

 

[top gun]

i do quite a bit or research for my job and as a hobby too, so i took a look at some of the citations siho has posted.

Sachs, b. D. (1996). Penile erection in response to remote cues from
females: Albino rats severely impaired relative to pigmented
strains. Physiol. Behav. 60, 803–808.

Sevenster, p. (1973). Incompatability of response and reward. In
r. A. Hinde and j. Stevenson-hinde (eds.), constraints on learning:
Limitations and predispositions, pp. 265–283. Academic press,
london.

Stone, c. P. (1922). The congenital sexual behavior of the young
male albino rat. J. Comp. Psychol. 2, 95–153.

Thody, a. J., and dijkstra, h. (1978). Effect of ovarian steroids on the
preputial gland odours in the female rat. J. Endocrinol. 77, 397–
403

thorndike, e. L. (1911). Animal intelligence: Experimental studies.
New york: Macmillian. ( i really liked this one since it's a century old.)

tzsechentke, t. M. (1998). Measuring reward with the conditioned
place preference paradigm: A comprehensive review of drug
effects, recent progress, and new issues. Prog. Neurobiol. 56, 613–
672.

Van furth, w. R., wolterink-donnselaar, i. G., and van ree, j. M.
(1994). Endogenous opiods are differentially involved in appetitive
and consummatory aspects of sexual behaivor of male rats.
Am. J. Physiol. 266, r606–r613. (this one is certainly an indictment of gay marriage considering the endogenous opiods involved.)

vom saal, f. S. (1985). time-contingent change in infanticide and
parental behavior induced by ejaculation in male mice. Physiol.
Behav. 34, 7–15. (wow! This sounds like a barn-burner.)

wersinger, s. R., baum, m. J., and erskine, m. S. (1993). Mating induced
fos-like immunoreactivity in the rat forebrain: A sex
comparison and a dimorphic effect of pelvic nerve transection.
J. Neuroendocrinol. 5, 557–568.

Siho, you should feel like an ass for posting all this stuff without reading any of it. Your zeal is showing.

Game

Set

Match!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

Don't count Siho out just yet. If she's resourceful enough she'll be able to find scientists who support her position. Shoot, I know a marriage counselor who agrees that women need a good beating by their husbands once in a while to keep them in line. There are a few in every field.

When you have people like Lyndon La Rouche funding scientific research you're going to have some interesting stuff being produced. La Rouche has funded some of the worst scientific research ever done. That's one of the reasons that one has to read widely and compare different discipline's approach to research issues. Relying solely on one source--such as the AI community like Siho does--skews one's perspective. Better it is to read some books that cover many different approaches such as THE FEMALE BRAIN by Louanne Brizendine, MD. since it cites more than 1000 peer reviewed articles in a wide range of disciplines.

It's also good to read some basic research in a field instead of just trying to find proof of specific points. Julian Jaynes book THE ORIGINS OF CONSCIOUSNESS IN THE BREAKDOWN OF THE BI-CAMERAL MIND is a really good (though a bit heavy) source for some basic knowledge of behaviorist thought.

 

[top gun]

Don't count Siho out just yet. If she's resourceful enough she'll be able to find scientists who support her position. Shoot, I know a marriage counselor who agrees that women need a good beating by their husbands once in a while to keep them in line. There are a few in every field.

Let's leave Right Wing nut Dr. Laura Schlessinger out of this!

I once heard her on the radio tell a weeping woman that her husband ran around on her and treated her & her kids badly because she didn't spend enough time dolling herself up for him and seeing to all his needs.

This isn't even who you're talking about... but you know... the shoe fit!

 

[ASPCA4EVER]

Let's leave Right Wing nut Dr. Laura Schlessinger out of this!

I once heard her on the radio tell a weeping woman that her husband ran around on her and treated her & her kids badly because she didn't spend enough time dolling herself up for him and seeing to all his needs.

This isn't even who you're talking about... but you know... the shoe fit!

Come on TopGun, you know purchasing a Dr.'s opinion is as easy as the good scientist that sold their signatures about 'NO-Global' warming and the most recent two that signed off on the 'FACT' that water boarding wasn't torture...see if you have enough cash in hand you can find any good Dr. or scientist to give you the report that you want!!! With Siho...she just finds a couple of 'small printed 4 page documents' and latches onto them like the holy grail or 10 commandments for justification for hating transgendered/gay/lesbian/keeping certain people suppressed!!!

It's also good to read some basic research in a field instead of just trying to find proof of specific points. Julian Jaynes book THE ORIGINS OF CONSCIOUSNESS IN THE BREAKDOWN OF THE BI-CAMERAL MIND is a really good (though a bit heavy) source for some basic knowledge of behaviorist thought.

Mare, while I'm certain that you've provided a highly enlightened source for information it will never cross the eyes of Siho and should the pages get flipped at all the information would hit that concrete barrier of absolutes for proof that the gay nation is just laying in wait to stalk any and all young person to force them into a newly MOLDED gay/lesbian persona...tsk, tsk, tsk. Locked minds are such a sad thing...such a waste of body parts!

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

Mare, while I'm certain that you've provided a highly enlightened source for information it will never cross the eyes of Siho and should the pages get flipped at all the information would hit that concrete barrier of absolutes for proof that the gay nation is just laying in wait to stalk any and all young person to force them into a newly MOLDED gay/lesbian persona...tsk, tsk, tsk. Locked minds are such a sad thing...such a waste of body parts!

Like casting pearls before swine and hoping that some find fallow ground (to mix metaphors).

 

[Sihouette]

Don't count Siho out just yet. If she's resourceful enough she'll be able to find scientists who support her position.

Yes, take it from one who knows [and who likes to project a lot..] if you are really crazy, you can always find someone to support your insanity. After all, how else did he get surgery scheduled to amputate his penis based on his subconscious hatred of men and therefore of being male..


And besides Mare old buddy, I already found one or two scientists to support my position. Have a look here when you get a minute..

https://www.houseofpolitics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6052&page=83

There you'll find a "little handful" of folks who work in the field of comparative psychology. They seem to all concur that sexuality is learned, sometimes many years after birth, that it is malleable.

Have a sandwich and a tall glass of milk, courtesy of the AI industry and read the tiny itsy bitsy little teeny weeny list of folks who support conditioning and sexual behavior.

 

[ASPCA4EVER]

Sihouette Said: Yes, take it from one who knows [and who likes to project a lot..] if you are really crazy, you can always find someone to support your insanity. After all, how else did he get surgery scheduled to amputate his penis based on his subconscious hatred of men and therefore of being male..


And besides Mare old buddy, I already found one or two scientists to support my position. Have a look here when you get a minute..

https://www.houseofpolitics.com/forum/sho...t=6052&page=83

There you'll find a "little handful" of folks who work in the field of comparative psychology. They seem to all concur that sexuality is learned, sometimes many years after birth, that it is malleable.

STOP THE INSANITY...PLEASE

Continually subjecting ones self to this ongoing cut & paste {did you bother to look at that link that you just plastered up there???} and not bringing anything that is documented to the discussion just continues the 'FACT' that you really don't do your research and you really are only making a weak arsed attempt to explain why you are so prejudiced against people who don't think like you do!!!! Just admit that you are a bigot and get over yourself...you are what you are face it and get on with your life!

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

Yes, take it from one who knows [and who likes to project a lot..] if you are really crazy, you can always find someone to support your insanity. After all, how else did he get surgery scheduled to amputate his penis based on his subconscious hatred of men and therefore of being male..

As I have noted before, the penis is NOT cut off, but I guess the truth isn't as important as maintaining your position.

And besides Mare old buddy, I already found one or two scientists to support my position. Have a look here when you get a minute..

You screwed up the link or posted the wrong one or something. One of the reasons that I suggest phrenology is that I knew you'd be able to find at least one or two scientists somewhere who'd share your weird viewpoint. Another place to look is among the Bible-beaters, a lot of their scientists hate gay and transpeople too and would probably get right on board your bigot-train.

There you'll find a "little handful" of folks who work in the field of comparative psychology. They seem to all concur that sexuality is learned, sometimes many years after birth, that it is malleable.

So far none of your "little handful" of folks has rubberstamped your wild conclusions about a one to one correlation between lab rats and human beings.

Have a sandwich and a tall glass of milk, courtesy of the AI industry and read the tiny itsy bitsy little teeny weeny list of folks who support conditioning and sexual behavior.

Just as soon as you manage to find some people like that I'll read about them.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

STOP THE INSANITY...PLEASE

Continually subjecting ones self to this ongoing cut & paste {did you bother to look at that link that you just plastered up there???} and not bringing anything that is documented to the discussion just continues the 'FACT' that you really don't do your research and you really are only making a weak arsed attempt to explain why you are so prejudiced against people who don't think like you do!!!! Just admit that you are a bigot and get over yourself...you are what you are face it and get on with your life!

She can't do that, Aspca, her ego is too bruised, she's got to keep fighting or she'll feel badly about herself--even worse than she does now. You can pity a person like this but you can't reason with them.

 

[Sihouette]

She can't do that, Aspca, her ego is too bruised, she's got to keep fighting or she'll feel badly about herself--even worse than she does now. You can pity a person like this but you can't reason with them.~ mare

"Reason" eh? You know if you are a projectionist Mare, that last bit says quite a lot about yourself more than me..lol..


Think about it..

If you think of it from an outside perspective [if you can even manage that] you would be watching someone who decided to keep their physical body intact and confront issues vs someone who muliated their body and wants issues to "go away"..vehemently..

Which one of us do you think people would label "sane" and which one "insane"?

 

[ASPCA4EVER]

Sihouette asked: Which one of us do you think people would label "sane" and which one "insane"?

Go directly to the bathroom and look deeply into that mirror and 'repeat' that sentence...really, really s l o w l y...and you will seek what you are searching for! The reality of your closed minded thought process would be a "light bulb moment" {quote from Oprah} and here's one from Martha Stewart..."and it will be a good thing".

Caution & foreboding are 2 words that most suits your ability to snag a thread and start to unravel the product {but in your case the theory} until it hardly resembles the reason/topic/subject matter that you posted this on the forum. If you just wanted to vent about "stalking gays and their 'MIND' control over the youth of America"...why on earth couldn't you just 'OWN UP' to that desire/craving/need to vent the bilge from your system before you blew a gasket.

I would have had a far greater respect for you as a human then to waste this amount of time on a false finding/lack of substance/ignorant/topic filled with bilge water...and you continue the charade as though you have the proof and we are just laking the understanding of what you've posted...GOOD GRIEF!!!

 

[top gun]

Come on TopGun, you know purchasing a Dr.'s opinion is as easy as the good scientist that sold their signatures about 'NO-Global' warming and the most recent two that signed off on the 'FACT' that water boarding wasn't torture...see if you have enough cash in hand you can find any good Dr. or scientist to give you the report that you want!!! With Siho...she just finds a couple of 'small printed 4 page documents' and latches onto them like the holy grail or 10 commandments for justification for hating transgendered/gay/lesbian/keeping certain people suppressed!!!



Mare, while I'm certain that you've provided a highly enlightened source for information it will never cross the eyes of Siho and should the pages get flipped at all the information would hit that concrete barrier of absolutes for proof that the gay nation is just laying in wait to stalk any and all young person to force them into a newly MOLDED gay/lesbian persona...tsk, tsk, tsk. Locked minds are such a sad thing...such a waste of body parts!

You add a good sense of humor along with good observations my friend.

Thanks because it really can get very tedious when dealing with some who only want play the negative stereotype card without ever thinking, WOW this really hurts no one else... why the hell do I care?

I'm as far from gay as it gets but I also kinda take pride in not being prejudice without reason. As I just sit back a listen to the two arguments of Mare vs. Siho it just confounds me as to why Siho makes such a big deal out of nothing... while Mare seems to only want everyone treated with respect.

I see Mare having to get more & more course because this is obviously a very personal & important subject to her while Siho is focused only on her own personal prejudice and some weird vendetta.

Oh what the hell let's look at a couple good old boys having a little fun at Siho's expense... it's good to see how silly it looks & laugh out loud!

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

"Reason" eh? You know if you are a projectionist Mare, that last bit says quite a lot about yourself more than me..lol..


Think about it..

If you think of it from an outside perspective [if you can even manage that] you would be watching someone who decided to keep their physical body intact and confront issues vs someone who muliated their body and wants issues to "go away"..vehemently..

Which one of us do you think people would label "sane" and which one "insane"?

As soon as you study up on the subject so that you can make thoughful, reasonable statements, then we can discuss it, until then we don't really have much to talk about. Knowing nothing doesn't make your arguments particularly valid or convincing. The fact that you refuse to address pertinent questions simply shows how little information you have at your disposal. Bigoted opinions and bad biology are not really a good basis for a discussion.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

You add a good sense of humor along with good observations my friend.

Thanks because it really can get very tedious when dealing with some who only want play the negative stereotype card without ever thinking, WOW this really hurts no one else... why the hell do I care?

I'm as far from gay as it gets but I also kinda take pride in not being prejudice without reason. As I just sit back a listen to the two arguments of Mare vs. Siho it just confounds me as to why Siho makes such a big deal out of nothing... while Mare seems to only want everyone treated with respect.

I see Mare having to get more & more course because this is obviously a very personal & important subject to her while Siho is focused only on her own personal prejudice and some weird vendetta.

Oh what the hell let's look at a couple good old boys having a little fun at Siho's expense... it's good to see how silly it looks & laugh out loud!

I'm sorry if I am becoming more coarse, I guess I lose my patience a bit sometimes with the mental midgets of the world, I remember someone once saying that most of the shouting comes from the shallow end of the gene pool.

It's too bad that Siho won't watch your YouTube clip, it was pretty funny.