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Really Mare? Comparative psychology doesn't have any credibility then?

Poor:

Charles Darwin
Wilhelm Wundt
George Romanes
James Mark Baldwin
Linus Kline
Willard Small
C. Lloyd Morgan
Edward L. Thorndike
L. T. Hobhouse
Ivan Pavlov
John B. Watson
Frank Beach
Wolfgang Köhler
T. Schjelderup-Ebbe
Clark L. Hull
Edward C. Tolman
B. F. Skinner
Robert Lockhard
Donald Hebb
O. Hobart Mowrer
Neal E. Miller
Harry F. Harlow
Richard Herrnstein
Sara Shettleworth
Allen and Beatrice Gardner
Irene Pepperberg
Margaret Floy Washburn

..they're going to be so disappointed when they find out Mare says their life's work is worthless.. Such a shame these scientists could've just picked up a phone and called Mare and saved themselves years, decades of false leads...lol...

Excellent now you've proven that you can FIND A LIBRARY WEB SIGHT AND SELECT A GENRE AND PULL UP A LIST OF AUTHORS.....

WOW...WOW...WOW...that is just the most remarkable thing to have learned...why I've been working with 2nd graders and they've had that figured out and it only took them 2 times on the computer! Amazing...simply amazing. How old are you??? :eek:
 
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Really Mare? Comparative psychology doesn't have any credibility then?

Pony up, Siho, show us where any of those people have proven scientifically that homosexuality in all humans is caused by the kind of training that you inflict on animals. If all those people did the work, then it's got to have been published somewhere. We accept peer review journal articles--the newer the better since science is changing so rapidly.

I too could get a list psychologists whose studies contradict your thesis, but since not even YOUR cited people support you I guess that I don't need to do so.

I don't use any of the products that you listed so your whole industry is irrelevant to me.
 
For those interested in AI training, here are some tips. I've highlighted tidbits that illuminate the malleability/fixation syndrome in mammalian sexuality [remember kids, humans are mammals!
Pigs [mammals]..Dogs [mammals]..Cattle[mammals]:Horses [mammals]:
From the article "Conditioning And Sexual Behavior: A Review"
So now that sexual preference is known in [human] mammals [and even other species] to be a learned behavior pasted onto a innate hormonal drive via associative conditioning, it is imperative for the deviant-argument to say that comparative psychology isn't a viable science.It's all they have left really...
And good luck with that!

So if a previous sexual experience was with a same-gendered partner, as in molestation, or stimulation associated with other-than-hetero release, or perhaps smells of an estrus female but frustration of reaching her and using a proxy instead, then we can expect future "preference" to be geared towards the proxy and not towards the opposite gender.

Well, Siho, you still haven't produced a single source from any of those people you cited who state that all homosexuality is caused by abuse. One of the reasons for this may be that people are not kept in cages or feedlots like you do to the animals. The Nazis managed to do a whole bunch of things to people by keeping them in cages, but somehow that doesn't seem to be the case in the real world.

Your thesis is baseless, you have no scientific support. Try again.
 
You must have been really embarrassed when your lover left you for another man. I can see how your thesis could salve a bruised ego, it wasn't anything that you did, it's just that he had sex with another man when he was forming his sexual orientation and zzziippp! One dick and he was hooked for life.

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. And, baby, you sound really scorned.
 
The self impotency of Sihouettes excremental expulsions is as factual stimulating as a 'quicky faked orgasm' and a {{YAWN}} 'memory' of the first virginal experience where the only thing that made it memorable was.."OMG are you done already"..:eek:

This entire posting was as rewarding for substance and facts that just aren't forth coming and just can't brake that 'bubble of protective barrier' that surrounds Sihouette ability to LEARN!!! ;) But hey it only took me some #804 plus posts to finally say I GIVE UP...and toss in the white towel. I surrender to the ability to stay racist/biased/sexually ignorant and so totally imperially Sihouette and will be sad that Sihoette will forever not know the difference between rutting mammals and the human experience of enjoyable loving tender intercourse and the reason we human want to share and make LOVE!

I salute you TopGun & Mare as fellow 'Maroon Cookies'...toasting you both with my glass of grade A non pasteurized cold glass of whole milk...CHEERS!!! :)


I don't know ASPCA... if someone want's to just over & over & over again read the letters AI... AI... AI like it was the freakin' CIA or something or needs to get their hands on some bull seman... Siho seems the place to go!:D
 
Mare, I never had sex with that bisexual man I loved. I can see your confusion though. Often those with deviant sexual disorders, heteros included such as hypersexuals and so on mistake sexual contact for love.
I'll forgive you for your mistake.

Let me see..this is how the conversation is going so far.

The pro-deviant crowd asks me for examples of learned sexual preference. I supply several references and an extensive study that links, via comparative psychology, the mammalian findings that prove beyond reasonable doubt that sexual preference stems from associative conditioning, and that human mammals are therefore not exempt.

Your collective retort is, essentially, to lie and say I didn't provide examples.

Let's call this what it really is: denial. You are in denial of the examples I provided of hard science that backs up learned sexuality. Let's say that your denial is convenient in that your whole premise pro-deviant marriage is hinged on deviant sexuality being inborn. Evidence, plain and clear, that comes along to flatly lay that premise on its butt is "wrong" "not clearly linked" "reaching" "hopeful" [did I forget any other denial-maintaining adjectives?..lol...]

However, your denial systems are not what we should base a decision that is scientifically supported to be a foolhardy one. Human societies will be significantly altered if deviant sexuality is mainstreamed.

Really, your argument is with comparative psychology and the AI industry. And again, good luck with that..
 
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Stop, please...I can't handle anymore...I haven't laughed that hard and had tears run down my face from laughter...well, hell...I just can't remember when!!!

I get it now... you are really, really, just pulling our collective legs and this is some kinda of comedic routine that your working on so that you'll have all of the 'BUGS' worked out of it before you hit the road with you one person show!!!

Well, hells-bells...you've sold me on that...this has got to be one to the all time funniest...continually non-stop hysterical mantra of B.S. that I've ever heard...and now I've lived long enough to have heard it all. TY, TY, TY.

BRAVO...WELL DONE! ROTFLMAO...You can earn some serious money with that routine...you earn many KUDO's just for your tenacious mindset...wrong though it be in so many, many ways...you'll take that narrow mind straight to the end!
 
Mare, I never had sex with that bisexual man I loved. I can see your confusion though. Often those with deviant sexual disorders, heteros included such as hypersexuals and so on mistake sexual contact for love.
I'll forgive you for your mistake.
I never said nor implied that you had sex with the man. I am fully aware of your contention that sex is like putting mud in the clean spring water of love (as you said very early on in this thread). In truth it had not occured to me to think that you had sex with the person in question.

Let me see..this is how the conversation is going so far.

The pro-deviant crowd asks me for examples of learned sexual preference. I supply several references and an extensive study that links, via comparative psychology, the mammalian findings that prove beyond reasonable doubt that sexual preference stems from associative conditioning, and that human mammals are therefore not exempt.
False logic, you take research on captive animals and apply it straight across to human beings who are not captive. No scientist is going to make that kind of wild accusation with nothing to back it up. And you have yet to produce anything of substance to back up the conclusion that you have drawn. Not a jot or a tittle.

Your collective retort is, essentially, to lie and say I didn't provide examples.
Stating the truth is not a lie. You have not given a single reputable source for your conclusion.

Let's call this what it really is: denial. You are in denial of the examples I provided of hard science that backs up learned sexuality. Let's say that your denial is convenient in that your whole premise pro-deviant marriage is hinged on deviant sexuality being inborn. Evidence, plain and clear, that comes along to flatly lay that premise on its butt is "wrong" "not clearly linked" "reaching" "hopeful" [did I forget any other denial-maintaining adjectives?..lol...]

However, your denial systems are not what we should base a decision that is scientifically supported to be a foolhardy one. Human societies will be significantly altered if deviant sexuality is mainstreamed.

Really, your argument is with comparative psychology and the AI industry. And again, good luck with that..
No argument really since there has been no source provided to support your conclusion. I'm not arguing with your animals abuse studies--I've worked in agri-business raising hogs, cattle, sheep, chickens, and horses. But your wild-ass conclusion is totally unsupported. In fact it is contradicted by the people who study human psychology. I recall one of the sources you cited earlier in which YOUR OWN source said that you were wrong. How about your sister's opinion? At least I gather that she has an education, so she disagrees with you as well.

None of the other cultures in human history that accepted gay and transpeople were damaged by their acceptance, so you lose out on two fronts: history says you're wrong and the scientific community says you're wrong.

Get counseling for your broken heart, let go of the rage and pain, hurting others with these ill-conceived diatribes does not help you heal.
 
Now I'm "not credible" [don't listen to what she's saying!!] because I "need counseling for a broken heart."...lol...

I'm 45 years old and this man I met when I was 13. I've been head over heels in love since then with other men. This man was a memory I shared to illustrate how I do not harbor hate towards deviants. In fact, I don't know of any relationships this guy had other than the fact that it was known he hit sexually on men and women both....and of course that he died of AIDS some years back. I remember my one thought when I was told by my brother that he was gone was "what a pity, a waste of a fine mind".

you take research on captive animals and apply it straight across to human beings who are not captive. No scientist is going to make that kind of wild accusation with nothing to back it up. And you have yet to produce anything of substance to back up the conclusion that you have drawn.
Except the entire field of comparative psychology...lol...

You really are a word-twister Mare. Just answer the question: do you believe that comparative psychology is a viable scientific field of research? Yes or no?
 
Now I'm "not credible" [don't listen to what she's saying!!] because I "need counseling for a broken heart."...lol...

I'm 45 years old and this man I met when I was 13. I've been head over heels in love since then with other men. This man was a memory I shared to illustrate how I do not harbor hate towards deviants. In fact, I don't know of any relationships this guy had other than the fact that it was known he hit sexually on men and women both....and of course that he died of AIDS some years back. I remember my one thought when I was told by my brother that he was gone was "what a pity, a waste of a fine mind".


Except the entire field of comparative psychology...lol...

You really are a word-twister Mare. Just answer the question: do you believe that comparative psychology is a viable scientific field of research? Yes or no?

Yes, it's an interesting field, but one must be careful when drawing conclusions--which is what you have not done.

And it's not that "Now" you are not credible, you haven't been credible since this thread started. Broken hearts from long ago are still broken, your vitriolic enmity must come from somewhere and a long ago broken heart has had time to fester and fill you with the kind of bile that you are expressing in your writing.
 
Mare, I never had sex with that bisexual man I loved.

Nice try but no cigar there Siho... it's TOO LATE! Cat's waaaaaay out of the bag.

You said that YOU WERE IN LOVE WITH A GUY that ended up going gay... and I think you even went on later to say he died of AIDS.

Being in love with somone is different than just plain loving someone.

Just let it go. You obviously want to hurt the feelings and take away the equal rights of gay people that want to live together in loving monogomous legally married relationships.

You have to say no more. You are exactly that. End it.
 
In love...sure...that's what I was at 13 years old. He was already bi when I had my crush on him. I knew that beforehand..to set the diversion-record straight..lol.. I fell in love with someone else just a year or so after him and I moved far away and lost track of him and most of my brother's other friends. I only learned he died of AIDS a few years ago...long after we parted ways..

Meanwhile if you believe in comparative psychology, then you have to accept that sexual-preference is learned. There were at least four pages in fine print of scientific studies referenced in "Conditioning And Sexual Behavior: A Review".

So you either accept that their field of study is viable, or if you want the world to believe your unsubstantiated "intuition" that gayness is somehow innate, then you have to wholly reject comparative psychology.

That is in essence what Mare has done. Given what else Mare has done, to his body, I can see perhaps a history of rejecting the entire field of human psychology and not just the comparative one...

Amputating one's penis as the "solution" to having what one believes is a "female brain" is the end result of denial of psychosis.

Any MD who participated in this travesty should have their license revoked..at the very least..
 
Following are the list of references from Conditioning And Sexual Behavior: A Review that concludes that sexual preference is learned [acquired]. Naturally, if you reject comparative psychology, these studies are utterly worthless...lol... But if you believe that comparative psychology is a viable field, then your only conclusion can be that human sexual preference is learned, or at least the preponderance of evidence suggests that it is...

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