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Your own words Mare


Just for giggles, instead of citing complex hormonal imbalances for your affectation, perhaps, just perhaps your belief that your "brain is female" might actually be because you have willed it to be from your quite obvious disdain for your maleness and identification with males in general. Wearing "pretty clothes", "perfume" and "fun shoes" is a learned taste, not an innate one that is soley estrogen-based. Your admitted "self-hatred" is indicative of acquired psychosis rather than anything you were born with.

Anyone who hates themselves based on what swings [or doesn't] between their legs isn't necessarily suffering from a hormone imbalance, but rather an internal mental conflict instead that has assigned "bad" to the gender one is rejecting.. Any MD who has caved to your own clever use of language and hypochondria and colluded to amputate your body parts instead of getting in your grill and commiting you to an institution for intensive regressive therapy, should have his/her license revoked.

I imagine you went through quite a few before you found one who "agreed" to do this mutilation to your body. Kudos. Your persistence paid off. But if I have my way about it, your persitence in this debate will not.

Golly, Siho, could you explain the lack of testosterone receptors in my body please? I bet you can't, but the doctors who work with transgendered people can. If you are going to start yanking the licenses of doctors you're going to have to do a lot of it since the AMA sanctioned treatment for my condition is to do exactly what I've done. It's worked too, for more than 40 years it has worked. I guess that makes you at least 40 years out of date in your biological education. The depression I suffered from was chemical, science has discovered that cross-gender hormones cause depression and hopelessness, think of it as poisoning by testosterone--you can simulate the effect by pouring diesel into your gas powered car. It's really hard to talk about complex issues with someone who has no education or desire to learn.

Stop living in the Dark Ages, Siho, stop raping animals for money and get an education. Or at least get some counseling for your loss of a loved one and stop blaming all the rest of us for it.
 
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If I am understanding you correctly, Siho, you believe that if gay people get equal rights that all children will become gay and the human race will die out. Is that about right?

I'm curious, since being a Republican is legal, they can marry and raise children, why don't all people turn out Republican? What about Nazis? It's legal to be a Nazi, why didn't you grow up to be one?

You want the world to be black and white, you want easy answers, you want people to blame, and you are simply not smart enough or well-educated enough or, perhaps, honest enough to realize that the world isn't that easy.
 
Well, you thought I was a screaming liberal...but here is proof that I'm definietly not. That independants and many many democrats are not swayed by the deafening hordes of "do as I do or else!"..
B.S. just an opinion {you may THINK, you may have a GUESS} and nothing else...what you've stated has any merit...none what-so-ever
I understand the arguments on both sides of the fence.
REALLY...after reading this several times and then your continual bilge water statements...I think you are CLUELESS and you drag everything but the kitchen sink into this topic and you are still CLUELESS!
On the one hand you have two people of the same sex who love each other deeply. Yet on the other hand you have people wanting to define sex as to exist only between men and women.
NO...dumb-butt...it's defining who can marry whom and what legal rights they will have if they just have a CIVIL UNION!!! There are historically speaking many a LOVELESS/SEXLESS arranged marriage and one does not have anything to do with the other!! But you've managed to obfuscate this Prop #8 into smithereens and you've only just started!!!
I loved my grandmother very deeply...as deep as you possibly can. Yet I never felt compelled to have sex with her or to marry her. *shudder*.
WTF would/did that have to do with Prop. #8?? If in your misguided, misunderstanding about the complexities of sexual urges and the multifaceted intricate sensations of the human body and the finer points of human anatomy 101...I would hope that you would not want to have ever felt compelled to consider or think about having sex with your grandmother!!!OMG...And you thought that that statement would make a proper analogy for understanding the emotional/sexual feelings of homosexuals...ROTFLMAO
My sexuality was oriented towards men.
Bravo, so now that you made that announcement...WTH, it makes your insensitivity towards a greater understanding of BI-CURIOUS/HOMOSEXUAL/TRANSGENDERED more open minded...NO, I don't think so!!
It truly is about "orientation", in every aspect of the word.
Really and you base this lack of knowledge on WHAT EXACTLY???
I think the whole phenomenon of being gay is a little hard to understand.
Now that is a statement that you have proven and continue to lay claim to for another 77 posts!!! Finally a glimmer of hope that you admit to NOT UNDERSTANDING this Prop. #8 topic!!!
I think there may be some people with legitmate hormone imbalances from birth that cause them to be attracted to the same sex.
And you've studied this and have drawn this conclusion from your intensely studious endeavor to achieve greater understanding of this topic or you "I THINK" just came from a 'FEELING" and nothing more?
But I also think there are a much wider group of people who have adopted gayness as an impressed behavior.
REALLY...Once again...you've studied this and have drawn this conclusion from your intensely studious endeavor to achieve greater understanding of this topic or you "I THINK" just came from a 'FEELING" and nothing more?
Many people who I know to be gay have admitted to a sexual encounter at an impressionable age of a same-sexed, almost always older or adult perpetrator.
And somewhere in all of that statistics there would be a percentage...a number of people that you polled and you came away with a factual/actual number of participants that were randomly selected and knew that you were taking a POLL???
I work with animals breeding.
Oh, here we are the location of all your worldly knowledge about sexual behaviour among humans because you have and still are currently working with animals!!! LMAO
You have to be careful about imprinting breeding behaviors on your young animals.
Once again...you have percentages...numbers that you've worked with...and least we forget that one little highly significant but extremely important FACT that animals/mammals come into HEAT/ESTRUS and for your basic biology 101 they don't copulate just for the pure pleasure of the event...it is during the ESTRUS that they become ready for breeding. It is just insanity to compare the emotional rational between horses/dogs/cats/pigs/cattle to the finite feelings and sensual activity between consenting adults and the pubescent process of young human adolescents!! OMG, OMG, OMG {shudder/shaking my head you need so find a location for some serious fact finding and knowledge absorption} the sooner the better before you spew the wealth of confused, ignorant, biased B.S. onto other unsuspecting humans!!!
They literally can be trained to mount or accept mounting from anything, even inanimate objects as with AI (artificial insemination) where bulls, boars, stallions etc. are trained to mount dummies. Some will from then on only prefer mounting dummies making them ".Objectum-sexuals and probably subject to their own "rights" movement in their human counterparts...of which exists folks... And once that training is in place, the urges go into auto-pilot and the behavior is set in stone. You can lose many a good breeding stallion or buck or bull that way to same-sexed preference.
You would have loved working right along side of good Dr. Fraud...he was as mentally driven to establish test scenario's and then prove his theory by manipulation and change the tests until he achieved the results that he wanted...ergo, in your line of experience {limited that it is} obtaining the semen from the stud animal. I too have worked at facilities during the
70's and we all understood what it took to manipulate the test subject into an arousal state to obtain the semen sample...you need to get a biology degree and quit playing at physicology cause you don't make any sense...NO, NADA, ZIP, NONE!!!
Ask any rancher about this phenomenon.
You really have got to be yanking our collective chains...your good ole boy rancher/farmer would look at you like you've just grown another head and then rather not so politely escort your arse off of their place...LMAO
If females have access to only females in a herd, they will start mounting each other in frustration. This is especially common in pigs. Some of them will from then on only accept mounting from another female and will attack a male if he tries to "do his thing".
You do not have a degree in Vet. Medicine, you do not have a degree in biology, you do not have a degree in Psychology/Sociology/Animal Husbandry/Farm Agriculture/Farm Management...you have the wild immature mindless brain activity of a confused human in an adult body with the non-understanding of the greater world of sexual activity and you've only the gutter level understanding of sex and reproduction for breeding livestock and this is obviously limited to just a few encounters with helping obtain some semen samples and artificial insemination techniques!!! GOOD GOD...how simplistic!!
So gayness, IMHO, is potentially both of birth origin, that which I call "true gays" and also of learned origins, that which I call "behavioral gays". The problem is sorting out who is who. And even bigger problems sorting out how we want the definition of marriage to apply to learned behaviors that may not be that person's original sexual (potential) orientation.
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I don't think we should normalize extreme promiscuity, for many health reasons if for nothing else.
And this just may be my own limited experience; but I know about five lesbians around my age that all have openly and repeatedly hit on young girls from as early an age as 12 on up to 18. (Probably the age they themselves were approached by an older promiscuous and predatory lesbian) And so on.. This is how it works in the herd too. The older ones teaching the young by behavioral example.
EVERYTHING UNDERLINED JUST NEEDS TO BE PUT IN IT'S PROPER PLACE...THE SHREDDER AND RECYCLED INTO THE BARN FOR BEDDING!!!;)

Sexuality is a very dicey human/animal behavior that is not fully understood as to the delicate balance of imprinting, hormones and the like.
I think until we have a definite grasp on it as to its origins, I don't think we should normalize that which may or may not be normal, before we fully understand it. And we don't yet. That we all can agree on.
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Now the GRAND FINALE...you make a summation that closes this contentious compilation of the most erroneous points and fragmentation of the facts that I've read from beginning to end in 25 some years {since taking Abnormal Physiology and assisting the Professor with grading the final thesis papers}

*braces for attacks from all sides*
BRAVO...you compiled quite a load of B.S. and had the utter guile to post it and then proceeded to wade chin deep into that pit of defecation as if you really had a clue about the topic, or any of the bilge that you drug into the limited points that you were trying to make!! You've got a hell of a lot of puts-ma, I give you that...and it's frightening how you've stuck by this bilge for another 70 some posts as if your limited knowledge about breeding livestock could/would provide you any clues into the human psyche and sexual feelings!!! WOW, you are indeed a marvel of the 21st century!!! All that knowledge readily available and you just don't go in search of the facts...now that just BLOWS THE MIND!

BUT...Hey, you sure suckered some good folks into buying your load of manure...and I bet you felt pretty good about that too!!! ROTFLMAO...you are good for a great laugh...THANKS! I'll be eternally indebted to you for quite a while...or until you pull this B.S. again!!! ;)
 
You make my points for me with every post by exhibiting a total ignorance of biology. As soon as you and the AI industry are able to keep human children in farrowing cages, veal crates, feed lots, and battery cages then you can show us how your sexual deviant career works, but until then you're just another bigot with a loud voice and hair in your ears.

Mare I wouldn't waste anymore time on Siho on this subject... unless you are just a big fan of GREEN ACRES reruns.:D

She's already let it out of the bag that she has tremendously hurt and bitter feelings against the gay community because some guy she was in total love with in her past left her to pursue his gay lifestyle.

She's never EVER gonna get over it.

This is her only way to psychologically deal with it. A gay guy picked another gay guy over her and now till the end of days the gays are bad... not as good as her, he should have stayed with her... and hence shouldn't have the right to be happy in a loving legal monogamous marriage even though it's been proven everywhere it's been allowed to be of no, zip, zero harm to anybody.

You can see her floundering around about horse breeding and such because she has no human argument.

But the good news is she's loosing ground legally. Just today a judge waved the 3 day waiting period and married the first lesbian couple in... where else... Conservative IOWA!!!
 
What a bunch of misquoting maroons...

makes my delivery easier the more irrational you become..

Mare I wouldn't waste anymore time on Siho on this subject... unless you are just a big fan of GREEN ACRES reruns~ toppy
Yes, it will take quite a bit of doing to erase three decades worth of acquired practical applications in the area of breeding animals and mammalian sexual behavior: keen knowledge without which you wouldn't have enough glucose energy to type your misquoted attack-posts...lol...

Like I said, the trusty barometer for my gauging the potency of my points actually breaking the surface in your walls of denial systems around acquired deviant sexuality is the frequency and magnitude of hysteria coming from your gang-posts..

Why so afraid of what I'm saying eh?
:rolleyes:

After all, I'm just one lonely poster against your mighty resistance.

Or is it what I'm saying that rattles you into forming a defensive array. People who are irrationally defensive are usually hiding something, IMHO.
 
What a bunch of misquoting maroons...makes my delivery easier the more irrational you become..Yes, it will take quite a bit of doing to erase three decades worth of acquired practical applications in the area of breeding animals and mammalian sexual behavior: keen knowledge without which you wouldn't have enough glucose energy to type your misquoted attack-posts...lol...Like I said, the trusty barometer for my gauging the potency of my points actually breaking the surface in your walls of denial systems around acquired deviant sexuality is the frequency and magnitude of hysteria coming from your gang-posts..Why so afraid of what I'm saying eh?After all, I'm just one lonely poster against your mighty resistance.Or is it what I'm saying that rattles you into forming a defensive array. People who are irrationally defensive are usually hiding something, IMHO.

What the Hell is a "maroon"? Is this some kind of sexual deviant cookie? And how can a sexual deviant cookie misquote someone?

On two occasions now you have quoted a piece of one of my posts in which I mentioned some things that bring me joy in my new life that were denied to me in the old one. I'm curious why you have given me grief about those things, they harm no one and they bring me joy.

Is it possible that your personal hurt is so deep that you can no longer get joy from anything like that in your own life? No simple joys just for being who you are? If so, I'm very sorry for you, life is hard enough even when one can find joy in the simple things--without that your life must be very bleak. Perhaps that very bleakness is what makes you lash out with such vitriol towards others who have never harmed you in any way.
 
What a bunch of misquoting maroons...

makes my delivery easier the more irrational you become..


Yes, it will take quite a bit of doing to erase three decades worth of acquired practical applications in the area of breeding animals and mammalian sexual behavior: keen knowledge without which you wouldn't have enough glucose energy to type your misquoted attack-posts...lol...

Like I said, the trusty barometer for my gauging the potency of my points actually breaking the surface in your walls of denial systems around acquired deviant sexuality is the frequency and magnitude of hysteria coming from your gang-posts..

Why so afraid of what I'm saying eh?
:rolleyes:

After all, I'm just one lonely poster against your mighty resistance.

Or is it what I'm saying that rattles you into forming a defensive array. People who are irrationally defensive are usually hiding something, IMHO.

Haven't you figured out that this conversation has went from me highlighting your mistaken beliefs to just feeling sorry for you?

That's all that's happened here and I was trying to stop your embarrassment with other posters. But by all means... post more nonsense if it makes you somehow feel better...:confused:
 
Mare Tranquillity;94769]What the Hell is a "maroon"? Is this some kind of sexual deviant cookie? And how can a sexual deviant cookie misquote someone?

Yes I'm afraid she hit me hard here. I've been called a lot of things... BUT A COOKIE... A DEVIANT COOKIE!!! Now that hurts!:)
 
What a bunch of misquoting maroons...

Yes, it will take quite a bit of doing to erase three decades worth of acquired practical applications in the area of breeding animals and mammalian sexual behavior: keen knowledge without which you wouldn't have enough glucose energy to type your misquoted attack-posts...
And just exactly how do I get glucose from your animal abuse?

Like I said, the trusty barometer for my gauging the potency of my points ...

I think that your trust barometer is more like a toilet plunger considering the depth of the excremental expulsions you've been sharing with us.
 
Yes I'm afraid she hit me hard here. I've been called a lot of things... BUT A COOKIE... A DEVIANT COOKIE!!! Now that hurts!:)

Originally Posted by Sihouette
What a bunch of misquoting maroons...

Mare said: Yes, it will take quite a bit of doing to erase three decades worth of acquired practical applications in the area of breeding animals and mammalian sexual behavior: keen knowledge without which you wouldn't have enough glucose energy to type your misquoted attack-posts...

And just exactly how do I get glucose from your animal abuse?


Originally Posted by Sihouette
Like I said, the trusty barometer for my gauging the potency of my points ...

Mare Said: I think that your trust barometer is more like a toilet plunger considering the depth of the excremental expulsions you've been sharing with us.

The self impotency of Sihouettes excremental expulsions is as factual stimulating as a 'quicky faked orgasm' and a {{YAWN}} 'memory' of the first virginal experience where the only thing that made it memorable was.."OMG are you done already"..:eek:

This entire posting was as rewarding for substance and facts that just aren't forth coming and just can't brake that 'bubble of protective barrier' that surrounds Sihouette ability to LEARN!!! ;) But hey it only took me some #804 plus posts to finally say I GIVE UP...and toss in the white towel. I surrender to the ability to stay racist/biased/sexually ignorant and so totally imperially Sihouette and will be sad that Sihoette will forever not know the difference between rutting mammals and the human experience of enjoyable loving tender intercourse and the reason we human want to share and make LOVE!

I salute you TopGun & Mare as fellow 'Maroon Cookies'...toasting you both with my glass of grade A non pasteurized cold glass of whole milk...CHEERS!!! :)
 
Lots of exclamation points there ASPCA...lots of vehemence...

Something bothering you about the AI industry's findings that sexuality is malleable after birth...ie: that homosexuality is an acquired behavior?

Yes, the entire hinge of the deviant argument is descrimination based on "innate" deviance in sexual preference. Unfortunately, one of the biggest industries in the US, agriculture, has proven this a false premise.

I'm sorry.
 
Lots of exclamation points there ASPCA...lots of vehemence...

Something bothering you about the AI industry's findings that sexuality is malleable after birth...ie: that homosexuality is an acquired behavior?

Yes, the entire hinge of the deviant argument is descrimination based on "innate" deviance in sexual preference. Unfortunately, one of the biggest industries in the US, agriculture, has proven this a false premise.

I'm sorry.

You have not yet proven that the AI Industry supports your claims as they apply to humans, that appears to be your fantasy alone. I know that psychologists don't buy it--but hey, what would they know, right? If animal rapers say it's true then that has to be the final word.

It's nice to see that your industry is continuing to spread disease around the globe, the new outbreak of swine flu appears to have come from a one million hog confinement operation in Mexico (owned by an American corporation). The subclinical doses of antibiotics used to keep the poor animals alive long enough to grow to a size suitable for profitable slaughter breeds antibiotic resistant bacteria and viruses. This is of course just the latest outbreak attributed to the confinement raising of animals. A few years ago in N. Carolina hog manure and fertilzer run off was responsible for a bloom of Pfisteria Piscacida that polluted the estuaries, killed millions of fish and birds, injured hundreds of humans, and provided the US government with a new biochemical aerosol to be used as a weapon.
Link to the swine flu outbreak source: http://lists.grist.org/t?r=2&c=4566&l=16&ctl=3E507:8DFFD86780C21E4228131156C198AB48&
 
Lots of exclamation points there ASPCA...lots of vehemence...

Something bothering you about the AI industry's findings that sexuality is malleable after birth...ie: that homosexuality is an acquired behavior?

Yes, the entire hinge of the deviant argument is descrimination based on "innate" deviance in sexual preference. Unfortunately, one of the biggest industries in the US, agriculture, has proven this a false premise.

I'm sorry.

EXACTLY AND YOU SHOULD BE...for being so fixated about a subject that you have only a smallest marginal knowledge of via "your owning a stud horse that you are using for Artificial Insemination"...BIG DEAL!!!
In your mind: allowing gays/lesbians to exchange a marriage vow/civil unions = sexual deviancy and child molestation...GOOD GRIEF!!!!

Clipped from your post #139 Sihouette: More than any other mammal, we learn stuff socially. To hold a deviant behavior up as socially acceptable is playing with fire. What other deviant behaviors will our youth justify along those lines?

I for one don't want to find out..

And again, I know scores of homosexuals who know exactly what ranchers do: that adolescents are impressionable sexually. And I know scores of homosexuals who do openly seek to recruit to their sexuality from the ranks of impressionable young people. So they can't have their Twinkie and eat it too. If they're acting on the priniciples that sexuality is able to be imprinted, yet harping about how it is "genetic" I'm not listening. They are right in that once a certain age is reached, it isn't a choice any longer. But before then it is.

And that is the crux of my argument. Arguing pro homosexual marriage is de facto, one giant attempt at subconscious recruitment via seeking social legitimacy. Boiling it down further it is one giant attempt at inappropriate "contact" with children.

And somewhere back over all of those numerous posts, total lack of logic and proof {show me where you have any written documentation from any certified licensed breeding institute/equine college/Vet. Medical Journal} to support your 'YEARS' of knowledge. You even told CHIP to go to the library and read up on those 'THOUSANDS OF BOOKS WRITTEN UP ON THE TOPIC'...then you neglected to provide any reference material...none/nada/zip/NOT ONE!

And the vehemence that you read/feel is just more self imposed confused mental tripe coming from within your own person. If anything...reading the diatribe that you've spewed around the topic of Prop. #8 has made me feel passionately sorry for you...so abjectly sorry that you have managed to get this far in life and you still have no clue...none, what the difference is between humans and mammals and why one just has reproduction urges and the other has PASSION and LOVE!!! Now that is indeed a sad, sad state of affairs. And you have my sincere sympathy!
 
You have not yet proven that the AI Industry supports your claims as they apply to humans~ Mare
Really Mare? Comparative psychology doesn't have any credibility then?

Poor:

Charles Darwin
Wilhelm Wundt
George Romanes
James Mark Baldwin
Linus Kline
Willard Small
C. Lloyd Morgan
Edward L. Thorndike
L. T. Hobhouse
Ivan Pavlov
John B. Watson
Frank Beach
Wolfgang Köhler
T. Schjelderup-Ebbe
Clark L. Hull
Edward C. Tolman
B. F. Skinner
Robert Lockhard
Donald Hebb
O. Hobart Mowrer
Neal E. Miller
Harry F. Harlow
Richard Herrnstein
Sara Shettleworth
Allen and Beatrice Gardner
Irene Pepperberg
Margaret Floy Washburn

..they're going to be so disappointed when they find out Mare says their life's work is worthless.. Such a shame these scientists could've just picked up a phone and called Mare and saved themselves years, decades of false leads...lol...
:rolleyes:

BTW, I hope everyone is enjoying their cereal and the milk it's floating in, or the cream in their latte's or the sausage on their plate, or last night's burgers or the glue in the furniture holding the seat they're typing in together..or the leather straps on their purse, shoes, car interiors etc....

All of those things courtesy of the malleability of the mammalian sexual preference, as found and banked upon by the AI industry and as applicable to human mammals therefore....providing...you know...that comparative psychology is a viable field of study...lol...
 
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For those interested in AI training, here are some tips. I've highlighted tidbits that illuminate the malleability/fixation syndrome in mammalian sexuality [remember kids, humans are mammals!
:rolleyes::

Pigs [mammals]..

Boar training
Young boars are easily trained to mount a dummy sow, but boars normally used for natural mating may be more difficult. To train a boar, place the dummy sow in an area the boar knows, such as his pen or the mating pen; in strange territory he may start by exploring the surroundings. The smell of another boar's semen, saliva and sow urine on the dummy helps stimulate the trainee boar to mount and thrust. If the boar does not react to the dummy, use an oestrus sow to arouse him; collect a little semen before removing her. His own semen smeared on the dummy may attract him to it, however this procedure is seldom needed.

Rough handling, an injury or a fall during training can discourage the trainee boar. The dummy must be set at the right height for him, be stable, comfortable, have no sharp projections and stand on a dry slip-free floor. Use a non-slip mat to overcome floor surface problems.
Source: http://www2.dpi.qld.gov.au/pigs/4543.html

Dogs [mammals]..

An alternative means of stimulating the male is to present him with a vaginal swab from an estrous ***** - for convenience, a number of such swabs can be prepared from an estrous ***** and stored frozen until needed...

...Canine semen is collected using digital pressure and massage. Most failures arise because the male is shy or otherwise intimidated. It helps to perform the collection on a non-slip surface such as a carpet. If the male appears nervous or this is his first time, a teaser ***** may help considerably..

http://arbl.cvmbs.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/reprod/semeneval/dog.html

Cattle[mammals]:

Allow the bull to mount the teaser cow. Your helper should stay near the front of the animals while you gently direct the bull's penis away from the cow and into the artificial vagina. Take care not to injure the bull, or he may refuse to mate in the future..Source: http://www.ehow.com/how_2081546_collect-bull-semen.html

Horses [mammals]:

Bring the stallion to the area around the phantom mare, then remove him and bring in the mare in estrus. Keep the stallion somewhere that she can see and smell him, but with a barrier so they can't get to each other. Wait until the mare urinates, direct her to the vicinity of the phantom mare. Remove the real mare.
Bring the stallion back, allow him to smell the mare's urine and encourage him to go to the phantom mare. This may take some time for a young stallion.
Source: http://www.ehow.com/how_2081545_collect-horse-semen.html


From the article "Conditioning And Sexual Behavior: A Review"

Preferences for specific mates is determined, at least
in part, by sexual imprinting
. Several studies have
demonstrated that adult males preferentially mate
with females that have attributes similar to those of
the female that nursed them early in life. Yamazaki et
al. (1988) found that male mice nursed by foster mothers
choose to mate with females that resembled their
foster mother rather than their biological mother
...

..Perhaps the most provocative report of sexual imprinting
is that of Kendrick, Hinton, and Atkins (1998), who
demonstrated that sexual partner preferences can be
achieved between goats and sheep using cross-fostering
to manipulate the imprinting process. In males
and females of both species, sexual partner preferences
were toward members of the opposite sex of the
species of the foster, rather than biological, mother
...

..The importance of adult sexual experience on partner
preferences has been clearly demonstrated..

..(see Kippin
et al., 1998 for more details). We have termed this
phenomenon conditioned ejaculatory preference
(CEP) because it is specific to ejaculation and develops
according to the rules of associative learning
. These
findings are particularly remarkable because they
demonstrate that in a polygamous species mate selection
is influenced by previous sexual experience, as it
is in monogamous species
. Moreover, mate preferences
in polygamous males can be toward sexual partners
which resemble previous ones rather than toward
novel ones
, as would have been predicted by the
Coolidge effect (see Dewsbury, 1981).
We have also found that the UCS necessary to support
the development of CEP is an event triggered by
ejaculation, but not ejaculation per se. When males are
allowed to copulate to ejaculation with a scented female
and the female is removed immediately follow-ing ejaculation, males fail to display CEP. Conversely,
when a scented female is present following ejaculation
produced by copulation with either a scented or an
unscented female, males display CEP for the scented
female (Kippin and Pfaus, 2001b). Thus, males need
not actually to copulate with the female, but merely
have to be exposed to a scented female during the
postejaculatory refractory period for CEP to develop.
These findings demonstrate that postejaculatory
events are capable of supporting conditioning of sexual
partner preferences and are similar to those found
in place conditioning with sexual reward
(see Ågmo
and Berenfeld, 1990; Paredes and Alonso, 1997).
Source: http://www-psychology.concordia.ca/fac/pfaus/Pfaus-Kippin-Centeno(2001).pdf

So now that sexual preference is known in [human] mammals [and even other species] to be a learned behavior pasted onto a innate hormonal drive via associative conditioning, it is imperative for the deviant-argument to say that comparative psychology isn't a viable science.

It's all they have left really...

And good luck with that!
:rolleyes:

"...mate selection is influenced by previous sexual experience, as it is in monogamous species...mate preferences in polygamous males can be toward sexual partners which resemble previous ones rather than toward novel ones...."
So if a previous sexual experience was with a same-gendered partner, as in molestation, or stimulation associated with other-than-hetero release, or perhaps smells of an estrus female but frustration of reaching her and using a proxy instead, then we can expect future "preference" to be geared towards the proxy and not towards the opposite gender.
 
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