Abortion

[AtheismIsReality]

Are you implying that we have no jurisdiction over non-citizens?

How, then, can we apprehend and deport illegal aliens or charge visitors with crimes they commit while here?

There's intent and decision making in your examples.

 

[Zylstra]

"In vitro" fertilization the words you are looking for?

yes

thank you

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

The Bible supports abortion and as we all know the Bible is God's Word and cannot be questioned but only accepted.

Jeremiah 20:14-18
Cursed be the day I was born! the day when my mother bore me, let it not be blessed! Cursed be the man who brought the news to my father, "A son is born to you," making him very glad. Let that man be like the cities which the Lord overthrew without pity; let him hear a cry in the morning and an alarm at noon, because he did not kill me in the womb; so my mother would have been my grave, and her womb for ever great.. Why did I come forth from the womb to see toil and sorrow, and spend my days in shame?

Job 3:16-19
Or why was I not as a hidden untimely birth, as infants that never see the light? There the wicked cease from troubling, and there the weary are at rest. There the prisoners are at ease together; they hear not the voice of the taskmaster. The small and the great are there, and the slave is free from his master.

Ecclesiastes 6:3-5
If a man begets a hundred children, and lives many years, so that the days of his years are many, but he does not enjoy life's good things, and also has no burial, I say that an untimely birth is better off than he. For it comes into vanity and goes into darkness, and in darkness its name is covered; moreover it has not seen the sun or known anything; yet it finds rest rather than he.

 

[Dante the Marxist]

*facepalm*


.

Really?

ethnocentrism

racism

nationalism

'traditional values'

all are staples of conservative movements


they opposed:

communism (despite being the socialist party >.>)

auslanders

jews



Obama has no principles


Bush
Clinton
Clinton
Bush
Bush
Obama/Clinton


it'll be 24 years... a quarter century...


it's called an oligarchy

Nazis hated traditional prussian values. They crushed the old nobility and replaced it with an awful beurocracy. Almost everyone opposes communism in some way, so it realy shouldnt be a hallmark.

 

[Dante the Marxist]

Are you implying that we have no jurisdiction over non-citizens?

How, then, can we apprehend and deport illegal aliens or charge visitors with crimes they commit while here?

We cant, but we do anyway. We are reaking are own laws. Nasty, isnt it?

 

[Dante the Marxist]

The Bible supports abortion and as we all know the Bible is God's Word and cannot be questioned but only accepted.

Jeremiah 20:14-18
Cursed be the day I was born! the day when my mother bore me, let it not be blessed! Cursed be the man who brought the news to my father, "A son is born to you," making him very glad. Let that man be like the cities which the Lord overthrew without pity; let him hear a cry in the morning and an alarm at noon, because he did not kill me in the womb; so my mother would have been my grave, and her womb for ever great.. Why did I come forth from the womb to see toil and sorrow, and spend my days in shame?

Job 3:16-19
Or why was I not as a hidden untimely birth, as infants that never see the light? There the wicked cease from troubling, and there the weary are at rest. There the prisoners are at ease together; they hear not the voice of the taskmaster. The small and the great are there, and the slave is free from his master.

Ecclesiastes 6:3-5
If a man begets a hundred children, and lives many years, so that the days of his years are many, but he does not enjoy life's good things, and also has no burial, I say that an untimely birth is better off than he. For it comes into vanity and goes into darkness, and in darkness its name is covered; moreover it has not seen the sun or known anything; yet it finds rest rather than he.

SHUT UP!!! This thread has no need for fairy tales written by drug addicts in 2000 year old desert scribblings. Why cant we have a logical discussion instead of the tossing about of bible qoutes all day?

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

SHUT UP!!! This thread has no need for fairy tales written by drug addicts in 2000 year old desert scribblings. Why cant we have a logical discussion instead of the tossing about of bible qoutes all day?

Shut up? This is a discussion site. This is a thread about abortion. Whether we like it or not the Bible is considered to undergird our whole culture by a fairly large majority, so discussing it is entirely apropo.

Personally, I don't have a lot of use for the Bible and much of the nonsense in it, but I'm in a small minority--you too, I suspect. Bear in mind that those "fairy tales" and the people who believe them have caused millions of deaths and the destruction of untold numbers of indigenous cultures, we need to deal with them in some fashion.

 

[Zylstra]

We cant, but we do anyway.?

That's self-contradicting

 

[Dr.Who]

The Bible supports abortion and as we all know the Bible is God's Word and cannot be questioned but only accepted.

Jeremiah 20:14-18
Cursed be the day I was born! the day when my mother bore me, let it not be blessed! Cursed be the man who brought the news to my father, "A son is born to you," making him very glad. Let that man be like the cities which the Lord overthrew without pity; let him hear a cry in the morning and an alarm at noon, because he did not kill me in the womb; so my mother would have been my grave, and her womb for ever great.. Why did I come forth from the womb to see toil and sorrow, and spend my days in shame?

Job 3:16-19
Or why was I not as a hidden untimely birth, as infants that never see the light? There the wicked cease from troubling, and there the weary are at rest. There the prisoners are at ease together; they hear not the voice of the taskmaster. The small and the great are there, and the slave is free from his master.

Ecclesiastes 6:3-5
If a man begets a hundred children, and lives many years, so that the days of his years are many, but he does not enjoy life's good things, and also has no burial, I say that an untimely birth is better off than he. For it comes into vanity and goes into darkness, and in darkness its name is covered; moreover it has not seen the sun or known anything; yet it finds rest rather than he.

Interpreting those to mean that the bible supports abortion is nuts. (well not as nuts as most of the other stuff you say) For this position you just might find one or two other people who would agree with you.

Those mean that those three men were grieved at what they saw and experienced and thought that not having experienced it would have been better. The personal opinion of the men in the bible is not the same as the word of God. Now with the last one a person could argue that the author did speak with the authority of God since he was not just relating his own feelings but talking in generalities. But one could still miss that the whole book of ecclesiastes starts with a futile mood and shifts to the opposite mood showing the contrast between right thinking and wrong.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

Interpreting those to mean that the bible supports abortion is nuts. (well not as nuts as most of the other stuff you say) For this position you just might find one or two other people who would agree with you.

Those mean that those three men were grieved at what they saw and experienced and thought that not having experienced it would have been better. The personal opinion of the men in the bible is not the same as the word of God. Now with the last one a person could argue that the author did speak with the authority of God since he was not just relating his own feelings but talking in generalities. But one could still miss that the whole book of ecclesiastes starts with a futile mood and shifts to the opposite mood showing the contrast between right thinking and wrong.

This was posted by someone else on another website and I thought it was humorous. You keep telling me how I'm misinterpreting the Bible by interpreting it "correctly" youself, when in point of fact it's all interpretation and you even you don't bother with Jesus teachings all that much. You continually give me sh1t when it's you that is taking for yourself what you would deny to others and you try to justify it with totally inaccurate statements repeated over and over again like a mantra. I'd think you posted on another site under the name of Lakeman, but he's obviously got more education than you--he lies more smoothly, but no less egregiously.

 

[Dante the Marxist]

That's self-contradicting

Of course it is.

 

[Dante the Marxist]

Shut up? This is a discussion site. This is a thread about abortion. Whether we like it or not the Bible is considered to undergird our whole culture by a fairly large majority, so discussing it is entirely apropo.

Personally, I don't have a lot of use for the Bible and much of the nonsense in it, but I'm in a small minority--you too, I suspect. Bear in mind that those "fairy tales" and the people who believe them have caused millions of deaths and the destruction of untold numbers of indigenous cultures, we need to deal with them in some fashion.

Sorry, thought that that was your qoute.

 

[Dr.Who]

This was posted by someone else on another website and I thought it was humorous. You keep telling me how I'm misinterpreting the Bible by interpreting it "correctly" youself, when in point of fact it's all interpretation and you even you don't bother with Jesus teachings all that much. You continually give me sh1t when it's you that is taking for yourself what you would deny to others and you try to justify it with totally inaccurate statements repeated over and over again like a mantra. I'd think you posted on another site under the name of Lakeman, but he's obviously got more education than you--he lies more smoothly, but no less egregiously.

Yes, every single thing we read, the bible or otherwise, needs to be interpreted.

You are pretty good at posting bad interpretations, especially of the bible. I am not an expert but at least what I post is not just blatantly nuts.

Lakeman has no more education than I do. I am sure you can interpret that because you are not stupid it just appears that you are just blinded by bias.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

Yes, every single thing we read, the bible or otherwise, needs to be interpreted.

You are pretty good at posting bad interpretations, especially of the bible. I am not an expert but at least what I post is not just blatantly nuts.

Lakeman has no more education than I do. I am sure you can interpret that because you are not stupid it just appears that you are just blinded by bias.

Do you know Lakeman? I have one bias and you have the mirror image bias. Everything in the Bible is good to you, but I am selective in my acceptance of genocide, rape, murder, incest, etc. Much of Jesus' teachings are good, but that cannot be said of a lot of the rest of Bible.

You call me nuts, but have yet to show anywhere that I am misquoting the Bible and even YOUR citations often lend support to my positions.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

Yes, every single thing we read, the bible or otherwise, needs to be interpreted.

You are pretty good at posting bad interpretations, especially of the bible. I am not an expert but at least what I post is not just blatantly nuts.

Lakeman has no more education than I do. I am sure you can interpret that because you are not stupid it just appears that you are just blinded by bias.

Here's a good example of someone of your faith, Who, with an interpretation far more Christ-like than your own. You gonna call Archbishop Tutu nuts too?

"Live from South Africa, it's Archbishop Desmond Tutu! The Nobel Peace Prize Laureate was honored by the 2009 Vancouver Peace Summit over the weekend (he appeared via satellite from South Africa), and took the chance to call out religion and religious leaders who use their faith as a means of bashing marginalized groups.

Tutu said that religion has often been used almost diabolically to encourage such things as xenophobia and homophobia, according to the Canadian Press. In the wake of such twisted faith, Tutu said that he can understand why many groups view religion with a fair share of skepticism.

"I sometimes wonder how people could ever think that God is a Christian," Tutu said. "The spirit of God is wider than any one particular faith."

Tutu has long been a champion for equal rights. He's gone so far as to say that homophobia equals apartheid (no light-weight comparison, given Tutu's familiarity with the subject), and has been a proponent of the freedom to marry, openly calling out governments who waste their time worrying about what private citizens are doing in the bedroom instead of focusing on issues like poverty, health care, and war."
http://gayrights.change.org/blog/vi...lical_use_of_religion_to_encourage_homophobia