Abortion

[Dante the Marxist]

There was some posts about how "nice" it would be for those wishing to adopt. But no one seem to go on record as to whether or not "suck it out and freeze it", it would be an acceptable alternative to abortion.

I wonder the the Catholic Church would say. Not allowed because having sex with the purpose other than to beget children is sinful?

As birth control, it would be safer than the pill (strokes), and IUD's (infection), more likely to be used than a condom (most men complain that condoms reduce sensation significantly), more convenient than diaphragms. And would only need to be used if a fetus had attached to the uterus.

Screw the barbarian Catholic Church.

 

[Dante the Marxist]

If you're going to use the definition of conservatism to define 'right wing', how on earth can you use that same definition for liberals?!

Liberalism =/= reactionary conservatism

Two very different things. Conservative shave opposed liberal principles from the very beginning of this nation.

Communists and Anarchists argue and fight alot too. We are still both in the left wing. How are Conservatives and Liberals any different? Besides, you seem to be defining the right wing as the extreme right only. The right wing has many sections. The have Nazis, Conservatives, moderate-republicans, Islamic fundelmentalists, technocrats, objectivists, black power groups, the kkk, and liberals. Very varied, if I do say so myself.

 

[Zylstra]

Communists and Anarchists argue and fight alot too. We are still both in the left wing. How are Conservatives and Liberals any different?

The ignorance demonstrated in that post is astounding

Ever heard of civil rights, women's rights, child labor laws, women's suffrage, the American War for Independence, Miranda rights, the muckrakers, OSHA, unions, disability insurance...

Besides, you seem to be defining the right wing as the extreme right only. The right wing has many sections. The have Nazis, Conservatives, moderate-republicans, Islamic fundelmentalists, technocrats, objectivists, black power groups, the kkk, and liberals. Very varied, if I do say so myself.

Dear god, you're ignorant. The NAZIs, Islamic fundamentalists, the KKK- all are conservatives. Liberals have never been conservatives because there has ever been a State which truly operated by liberal principles which those who adhere to liberal principles sought to protect.

Conservatism is no political ideology. It has always been the position of those in power who wish to protect their own interests, those who have been deposed wish to return to power, and of their useful idiots. 'Conservatism' is nothing more than a euphemism for reactionists, from the Russian Tzars, to the Ku Kux Klan, to the Christian Coalition, to the forces of King George.

There has never been an ideological liberal on the political Right, for liberalism has been a constant force of progress and has never achieved its ideal, so no liberal has ever been called forth to preserve any truly ideal liberal State.

 

[Dante the Marxist]

The ignorance demonstrated in that post is astounding

Ever heard of civil rights, women's rights, child labor laws, women's suffrage, the American War for Independence, Miranda rights, the muckrakers, OSHA, unions, disability insurance...

Yes, I have. It seems that the only things seperating conservatives from liberals is the amount personal liberties and progressivness. There is realy no nead to call me ignorant, you could just attempt to say whatever you need to say.

Dear god, you're ignorant. The NAZIs, Islamic fundamentalists, the KKK- all are conservatives. Liberals have never been conservatives because there has ever been a State which truly operated by liberal principles which those who adhere to liberal principles sought to protect.

Conservatism is no political ideology. It has always been the position of those in power who wish to protect their own interests, those who have been deposed wish to return to power, and of their useful idiots. 'Conservatism' is nothing more than a euphemism for reactionists, from the Russian Tzars, to the Ku Kux Klan, to the Christian Coalition, to the forces of King George.

Your wrong about one thing: The nazis were not conservatives. They hated german conservatism, and were attempting to create a new[though disgusting]society. Otherwise, that was wonderful and I will not make mistakes like that again.

There has never been an ideological liberal on the political Right, for liberalism has been a constant force of progress and has never achieved its ideal, so no liberal has ever been called forth to preserve any truly ideal liberal State.

Obama is on the right, because he is crushing picket lines and paying corporations.

 

[samsara15]

You guys are making the Conservatives real happy.

 

[dahermit]

The title of the thread is Abortion guys....Abortion.

 

[Zylstra]

Yes, I have. It seems that the only things seperating conservatives from liberals is the amount personal liberties and progressivness.

*facepalm*

Your wrong about one thing: The nazis were not conservatives

.

Really?

ethnocentrism

racism

nationalism

'traditional values'

all are staples of conservative movements


they opposed:

communism (despite being the socialist party >.>)

auslanders

jews

Obama is on the right, because he is crushing picket lines and paying corporations.

Obama has no principles


Bush
Clinton
Clinton
Bush
Bush
Obama/Clinton


it'll be 24 years... a quarter century...


it's called an oligarchy

 

[AtheismIsReality]

The Constitution says people born enjoy citizenship. Until such time, the US has no jurisdiction over an unborn child.

 

[Dr.Who]

Thats good. Its just that steriotype that right wingers are violent and unagreeable, wich I, for one, know is not true[unless your talking about Glenn Beck and Limbaugh].

I can't say that I have ever heard of Rush or Beck being violent, disagreeable certainly.

My own opinion is that most of the right and left tend to be normal not-so violent people except for the fringe on both sides - skin heads or anarchists.

It might even be most fair for all of us to accept that skin heads and anarchists are so far out there that they don't really belong to either the right or the left.

 

[Dr.Who]

Does Beck count as a Right-Winger ala Limbaugh? Beck seems more like a libertarian who happens to vote GOP

Right wing is not the same as republican.

Republican is one part of right wing - well mostly. Often Republicans are not ideological at all and are just concerned with maintaining their elected positions. Same goes for Democrats.

 

[Dr.Who]

He seems pro-Iraq, pro capitalist, pro religious to me. Besides, I consider liberals to be on the right anyhow.

Oh boy, that explains a lot.

 

[Dr.Who]

There was some posts about how "nice" it would be for those wishing to adopt. But no one seem to go on record as to whether or not "suck it out and freeze it", it would be an acceptable alternative to abortion.

It looked to me like Dante, Pandora, Dr. Who, and Dahermit all came out in favor of the idea. But a brand new poll with the question phrased a bit less objectionably than "suck it out" might reveal widespread support.

I wonder the the Catholic Church would say. Not allowed because having sex with the purpose other than to beget children is sinful?

I suspect the Catholic church would object.

As birth control, it would be safer than the pill (strokes), and IUD's (infection), more likely to be used than a condom (most men complain that condoms reduce sensation significantly), more convenient than diaphragms. And would only need to be used if a fetus had attached to the uterus.

I think that is probably untrue but clearly scary.

 

[Zylstra]

The Constitution says people born enjoy citizenship. Until such time, the US has no jurisdiction over an unborn child.

Are you implying that we have no jurisdiction over non-citizens?

How, then, can we apprehend and deport illegal aliens or charge visitors with crimes they commit while here?

 

[Zylstra]

It looked to me like Dante, Pandora, Dr. Who, and Dahermit all came out in favor of the idea. But a brand new poll with the question phrased a bit less objectionably than "suck it out" might reveal widespread support.

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I have no objection

I don't see it as being fundamentally different than artificial insemination (which is misleading, since they actually implant fertilized eggs, no just shoot semen up there, but whatever) or any other case of (medical) surrogate motherhood

 

[dahermit]

I have no objection

I don't see it as being fundamentally different than artificial insemination (which is misleading, since they actually implant fertilized eggs, no just shoot semen up there, but whatever) or any other case of (medical) surrogate motherhood

"In vitro" fertilization the words you are looking for?