Abortion

[GenSeneca]

Can you offer up any evidence that it was not due precisely to thier disregard for human rights?

You can offer evidence that it was due precisely to their disregard for human rights?

 

[GenSeneca]

Again, not honest by a country mile. Your "wombfare" allows one individual absolute ownership of another to do with as they please. It gives the power of a monarch to one individual over another; here in the US where we went to war in rebellion of such power of one individual over another.

You are giving the unborn the power of a monarch, giving them use of another individuals body against that individuals will, without due process or compensation, and under threat of force by the state.

...Of course through a clever bit of sophistry you claim that its purely a coincidence, that your only aim is to protect the rights of unborn but nevertheless, the result is precisely as I've described.

By the way, I don't believe I have ever seen a response that was further away from the actual statements it was intended to rebutt. Congratulations.

You should read some of your own replies sometime...

 

[dahermit]

Can you offer up any evidence that it was not due precisely to thier disregard for human rights?

Can you offer up any evidence that it was not due precisely to some other cause or combination of things like prolonged drought, climate change (Sahara now a desert), pandemic disease, over population, conquered by another civilization, etc.? All the thousands of ancient societies are gone for some reason or another; there is no way to attribute their demise to "...disregard for human rights...". What has happened to you? You used to be a better debater...you have either lost it, or never had it.

 

[palerider]

You are giving the unborn the power of a monarch, giving them use of another individuals body against that individuals will, without due process or compensation, and under threat of force by the state.

No I am not. I have said repeatedly that if each unborn were given his or her day in court and just cause was shown why their life should be forfiet, abortion would not be an issue to me.

Do you honestly believe that a prosecutor could show just cause for the loss of life in a court of law using your "welfare" argument? Has dependence become a capital offense

...Of course through a clever bit of sophistry you claim that its purely a coincidence, that your only aim is to protect the rights of unborn but nevertheless, the result is precisely as I've described.

It wouldn't bother me at all for those who are presently on welfare to appear in court and attempt to show just cause why they should recieve public money. I doubt very seriously that many could make a case. Of course, in their case, we aren't talking about one individual having absolute power over them and preparing to kill them for whatever reason, so the analogy isn't even close to pregnancy and abortion anyway.

You should read some of your own replies sometime...

I read them all. Any particular example in mind? If so, context would be appreciated.

 

[Dante the Marxist]

My position on abortion is this: Fetuses are not sentient beings. The woman is a sentient being. By sentient being I mean anything capable of emotions and non-instinctive thought. You can kill non-sentients because they wont realy feel it. They cannot comprehend sadness or pain. Thus, the woman's right outwieghs that of the baby.

 

[Pandora]

My position on abortion is this: Fetuses are not sentient beings. The woman is a sentient being. By sentient being I mean anything capable of emotions and non-instinctive thought. You can kill non-sentients because they wont realy feel it. They cannot comprehend sadness or pain. Thus, the woman's right outwieghs that of the baby.

Interesting point. Question... When does the "fetus" stop being non sentient beings?

Some are for abortion up to the due date of the baby, some are even for killing the baby once out of the womb and living after the baby survived an abortion.

What say you?

 

[BigRob]

My position on abortion is this: Fetuses are not sentient beings. The woman is a sentient being. By sentient being I mean anything capable of emotions and non-instinctive thought. You can kill non-sentients because they wont realy feel it. They cannot comprehend sadness or pain. Thus, the woman's right outwieghs that of the baby.

Ever seen the movie "The Silent Scream"?

 

[Dante the Marxist]

Interesting point. Question... When does the "fetus" stop being non sentient beings?

Some are for abortion up to the due date of the baby, some are even for killing the baby once out of the womb and living after the baby survived an abortion.

What say you?

The baby is sentient after it starts showing emotions and intelligence[meaning attempting to try new things, playing with toys, etc.].

 

[Dante the Marxist]

Ever seen the movie "The Silent Scream"?

No. Whats it about?

 

[dahermit]

It is a propaganda film that uses demagoguery in the form of blood and gore to convince the viewer that abortion is a horrible thing, while at the same time it is promoted as a "documentary". You know, "a human being has the right to life until it is born". Then it can starve, die from disease, etc., because it is too lazy to work.

 

[BigRob]

No. Whats it about?

It is a video of an abortion. While very graphic, it is worth watching. I am sure it can be found online somewhere.

Have whatever opinion you want of it, but go watch it before making a call on it. Watch the reaction of the baby.

 

[Pandora]

The baby is sentient after it starts showing emotions and intelligence[meaning attempting to try new things, playing with toys, etc.].

So at what point is this?

or maybe I should just ask

do you believe in abortion on demand for any reason upto the point the child is born?

If yes...


If no then at what point do you cut off the abortion on demand?

5th month, 6th 7th?

Do you believe its ok to "off" the child after its born if it was meant to be an abortion but survived?

 

[Pandora]

It is a video of an abortion. While very graphic, it is worth watching. I am sure it can be found online somewhere.

Have whatever opinion you want of it, but go watch it before making a call on it. Watch the reaction of the baby.

Silent scream is a good title for that film. I think it should be mandatory viewing in high school.

 

[Dante the Marxist]

So at what point is this?

or maybe I should just ask

do you believe in abortion on demand for any reason upto the point the child is born?

If yes...


If no then at what point do you cut off the abortion on demand?

5th month, 6th 7th?

Do you believe its ok to "off" the child after its born if it was meant to be an abortion but survived?

It all depends on the baby, realy. Some dont talk for years, some say "dada" within a month. The baby realy shouldn't be "offed" after it is born because we wont know its potential. If mother doesn't want them, give em' to someone else. Bottom line is: After fetal stage, dont kill it.

 

[Dante the Marxist]

It is a video of an abortion. While very graphic, it is worth watching. I am sure it can be found online somewhere.

Have whatever opinion you want of it, but go watch it before making a call on it. Watch the reaction of the baby.

That was one sick video- but stupid cows react sharply when they die, so it really doesnt matter.