Abortion

[Dante the Marxist]

Silent scream is a good title for that film. I think it should be mandatory viewing in high school.

That would make the poor kids have nightmares for the rest of thier lives.

 

[Pandora]

It all depends on the baby, realy. Some dont talk for years, some say "dada" within a month. The baby realy shouldn't be "offed" after it is born because we wont know its potential. If mother doesn't want them, give em' to someone else. Bottom line is: After fetal stage, dont kill it.

fair enough,


when do you considere "fetal stage" to end?

6 months of pregnancy 7? 9?

 

[Pandora]

That would make the poor kids have nightmares for the rest of thier lives.

I dont think it would give them nightmares, maybe some of them but not mostly. But it would educate them on the side of the issue that no one will educate them on.


Teachers exc. are happy to tell them all about choice and womens rights but never the other side of the story. Its at least one way for people to get the other half of the story.

 

[Dante the Marxist]

fair enough,


when do you considere "fetal stage" to end?

6 months of pregnancy 7? 9?

When it begins to look like a human in some way.

 

[samsara15]

It's OK to torture adult human beings, but not fetuses?

 

[BigRob]

That was one sick video- but stupid cows react sharply when they die, so it really doesnt matter.

You indicated that abortion was OK because "You can kill non-sentients because they wont really feel it."

Saying that a "stupid cow" reacts sharply when being killed has nothing to do with your point that a fetus "feels nothing" and therefore it is OK to kill.

 

[samsara15]

The pain of a fetus is brief. The same cannot be said for an adult human being.

 

[BigRob]

The pain of a fetus is brief. The same cannot be said for an adult human being.

Adults are able to be killed instantly and feel little pain are they not?

 

[Dr.Who]

Adults are able to be killed instantly and feel little pain are they not?

I remember on one of the capital punishment threads I had an opportunity to think about that. Even the guillotine is not so instant.

It turns out that the only way that could be considered instant would be an explosive charge set off directly at the back of the head.

That would certainly be better than having your limbs pulled off like is done with feti.

It would also be better than having ones body suctioned apart with a strong vacuum.

It would be better than having ones body cut into pieces with a "surgical instrument".

It would be better than being crushed by forceps.

It would be better than being submerged in corrosive salt water which results in burning of the skin and throat, lasts about an hour and often results in poisoning of the feti. However it also results in later medical treatments and adoption.

It would be better than having the womb one is in being chemically induced to contract so violently that it crushes one, sometimes even resulting in decapitation, but again often resulting in birth.

It would be better than having ones umbilical cord cut while still in the uterus either causing slow suffocation or birth followed by neglect in the corner of a closet by death by dehydration.

It would be better than having ones head pulled through a hole and then getting stabbed in the back of the head by a pair of scissors and having ones brains sucked out.

http://www.lifesitenews.com/abortiontypes/

 

[Dr.Who]

You indicated that abortion was OK because "You can kill non-sentients because they wont really feel it."

Saying that a "stupid cow" reacts sharply when being killed has nothing to do with your point that a fetus "feels nothing" and therefore it is OK to kill.

At twelve weeks it is proven that feti feel pain. Earlier at 8 weeks they react to stimuli.

If feeling pain is the criteria then all abortions after 12 weeks need to be stopped.

A better criteria would be to consider when it is living, an individual, a human, and a person. Which would be at the moment of conception. I know that last one (person) has been debated but it is a ridiculous debate since the legal definition of a person is just a human individual. In other words it is redundant to say "living, human, individual" and also to say "person" because the first few words are the definition of the latter one.

From a legal dictionary:

person

n. 1) a human being. 2) a corporation treated as having the rights and obligations of a person. Counties and cities can be treated as a person in the same manner as a corporation. However, corporations, counties and cities cannot have the emotions of humans such as malice, and therefore are not liable for punitive damages. (See: party, corporation)
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Person

 

[Dr.Who]

When it begins to look like a human in some way.

By week 8 there are eyelids. That sounds like "some way" to me. By nine weeks it sucks its thumb.

Hey, I bet there are ways that they look like humans even earlier than that.

 

[Dante the Marxist]

By week 8 there are eyelids. That sounds like "some way" to me. By nine weeks it sucks its thumb.

Hey, I bet there are ways that they look like humans even earlier than that.

Every vertebrate has eyelids.

 

[Dante the Marxist]

At twelve weeks it is proven that feti feel pain. Earlier at 8 weeks they react to stimuli.

If feeling pain is the criteria then all abortions after 12 weeks need to be stopped.

A better criteria would be to consider when it is living, an individual, a human, and a person. Which would be at the moment of conception. I know that last one (person) has been debated but it is a ridiculous debate since the legal definition of a person is just a human individual. In other words it is redundant to say "living, human, individual" and also to say "person" because the first few words are the definition of the latter one.

From a legal dictionary:

person

n. 1) a human being. 2) a corporation treated as having the rights and obligations of a person. Counties and cities can be treated as a person in the same manner as a corporation. However, corporations, counties and cities cannot have the emotions of humans such as malice, and therefore are not liable for punitive damages. (See: party, corporation)
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Person

Lawyers are un-trustable

 

[Dante the Marxist]

At twelve weeks it is proven that feti feel pain. Earlier at 8 weeks they react to stimuli.

If feeling pain is the criteria then all abortions after 12 weeks need to be stopped.

A better criteria would be to consider when it is living, an individual, a human, and a person. Which would be at the moment of conception. I know that last one (person) has been debated but it is a ridiculous debate since the legal definition of a person is just a human individual. In other words it is redundant to say "living, human, individual" and also to say "person" because the first few words are the definition of the latter one.

From a legal dictionary:

person

n. 1) a human being. 2) a corporation treated as having the rights and obligations of a person. Counties and cities can be treated as a person in the same manner as a corporation. However, corporations, counties and cities cannot have the emotions of humans such as malice, and therefore are not liable for punitive damages. (See: party, corporation)
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Person

Who cares if they feel pain? They are far to stupid to comprehend it. All living organisms respond to stimuli.

 

[Dante the Marxist]

You indicated that abortion was OK because "You can kill non-sentients because they wont really feel it."

Saying that a "stupid cow" reacts sharply when being killed has nothing to do with your point that a fetus "feels nothing" and therefore it is OK to kill.

Yes it does. Cow brains are far more advanced then fetal brains, and we eat cows. I would think killing a fetus would be reasonable.