Abortion

[Dr.Who]

Your term "genetic aberration" is a value judgment. The first definition of aberration is: 1 : act of wandering away or of going astray : deviation from truth or a moral standard, from the natural state...

You do not know if it is going astray or a deviation from any truth or moral standard, that's just an opinion of yours.

Are you a liar?

The definition you quoted but did not provide a link for and that you cut the last part off of said:

"act of wandering away or of going astray : deviation from truth or a moral standard, from the natural state, or from a normal type "

If a person says they are not making a moral argument and part of the definition refers to merely a definition of normal then clearly they are talking about something being statistically normal.

So why did you quote Merriam-Webster but leave off that last part? I think that in this example you were being dishonest; it is not sufficient to replace "or from a normal type" with "..."

http://merlin.eb.com/cgi-bin/unabridged?va=aberrations

In fact, in looking through the various definitions of "aberration" on line it even looks like you may have done some cherry picking in order to get a definition that only needed a little doctoring to make it look like aberration was always a moral issue.

But as soon as one puts the word genetic in front of the word aberration one expects to see things like these that were found online:

"A genetic deletion is a genetic aberration in which part of a chromosome ..."

"Genetic aberration at the chromosome level...key aspect of genome aberration and the systematic definition of chromosomal aberrations with their impact ..."

"... description of the specific translocation t(X;18) led to the incorporation of this particular genetic aberration into the definition of this tumor type. ..."

"It is characterized by physical and behavioral features and has been considered the most common form of genetic aberration. Incidence among the newborn is ..."

Saying that homosexuality is a genetic aberration is no more of a value judgement than saying that down's syndrome is a genetic aberration.

 

[palerider]

Are you a liar?

Is that a rhetorical question?

Saying that homosexuality is a genetic aberration is no more of a value judgement than saying that down's syndrome is a genetic aberration.

But it is necessary to change the subject to a moral issue where one opinion is of no more value than another and whoever can evoke the most emotion wins. If one sticks to the facts where any opinion that deviates from the facts is proveably wrong, she must necessarily lose. It is her standard tactic. When the facts don't support her, she begins to see catholics behind every bush and signpost.

 

[Dr.Who]

Is that a rhetorical question?

Oddly enough it was not. It is meant to force a person who calls others liars to confront that person's own tactics.

 

[palerider]

Oddly enough it was not. It is meant to force a person who calls others liars to confront that person's own tactics.

Good luck with that.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

Good luck with that.

One hardly needs good luck, Pale, all you need to do is post the truth without deliberately changing it to make it fit your viewpoint.

I left off the bit about "normal" because it's a false quality. "Normal" doesn't exist except in individual catagories. No one is normal in all catagories, so anyone can be called abnormal from some perspective, thus making the term virtually useless except as an attack on people you don't like. Using the term "aberration" is deliberately denigrating when it is used for a genetic condition over which people have no control and for a quality that is harmless.

Part of lying is using examples that imply things that are not true and clever liars do this alot. While listing "aberrations" if one only lists things like psychopathologies, debilitating mental disfunctions, and crippling deformities, and then lists homosexuality as being the same, then one is attributing guilt by association. This is clever lying when the person is well enough educated to know very well that the association is false. Such a person is not worth discussing things with once their true nature has been discovered.

Even though I disagree with you on many points, I have to grant that you do not lie blatantly like some--a quality that I appreciate.

As an aside on the subject of Catholics, they raised over half a million dollars to help defeat marriage equality in Maine. Jesus would be proud of the way the Catholics love others as themselves--except ****ing queers and trannies.

 

[palerider]

Part of lying is using examples that imply things that are not true and clever liars do this alot. While listing "aberrations" if one only lists things like psychopathologies, debilitating mental disfunctions, and crippling deformities, and then lists homosexuality as being the same, then one is attributing guilt by association. This is clever lying when the person is well enough educated to know very well that the association is false. Such a person is not worth discussing things with once their true nature has been discovered.

How many hard scientific papers would you like for me to list that deal specifically with genetic abberations? 10, 20, 50? The term genetic abberation is not a moral judgement, nor is it any sort of judgement. It is a description of a condition, nothing more.

http://gut.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/52/5/623

Chromosome 4 hyperploidy represents an early genetic aberration in premalignant Barrett’s oesophagus

You believe that is a moral judgement?

http://www.nature.com/cr/journal/v10/n4/abs/7290058a.html

Genetic aberration in primary hepatocellular carcinoma: correlation between p53 gene mutation and loss-of-hetero- zygosity on chromosome 16q21-q23 and 9p21-p23

How about that one? See any judgmentalism there? Do you believe it was written by catholics?

http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=13452886

Genetic aberration on chromosome 10 in human oral squamous cell carcinoma

Maybe jews and catholics got together to write that one in judgement of chromosome 10.

When you can't deal with the facts, you turn to appeals to emotion damned near every time mare.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

How many hard scientific papers would you like for me to list that deal specifically with genetic abberations? 10, 20, 50? The term genetic abberation is not a moral judgement, nor is it any sort of judgement. It is a description of a condition, nothing more.

http://gut.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/52/5/623

Chromosome 4 hyperploidy represents an early genetic aberration in premalignant Barrett’s oesophagus

You believe that is a moral judgement?

http://www.nature.com/cr/journal/v10/n4/abs/7290058a.html

Genetic aberration in primary hepatocellular carcinoma: correlation between p53 gene mutation and loss-of-hetero- zygosity on chromosome 16q21-q23 and 9p21-p23

How about that one? See any judgmentalism there? Do you believe it was written by catholics?

http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=13452886

Genetic aberration on chromosome 10 in human oral squamous cell carcinoma

Maybe jews and catholics got together to write that one in judgement of chromosome 10.

When you can't deal with the facts, you turn to appeals to emotion damned near every time mare.

Because something isn't common doesn't mean that it's bad, and "aberration" has a fairly negative connotation. Being of genius intellect isn't normal, neither is being left-handed, or ambidextrous, but we don't feel the need to stigmatize those people by calling them aberrations. The person in question is trying to pass off religious hatred as scientific fact by lying about it. Aberrations are considered to be things that damage us or hurt us in some way, being homosexual doesn't do that except for the cases where others persecute them--which brings us to the Catholics again. It took a thousand years for the Catholic chruch to apologize for it's heinous behavior, I suppose it will take another thousand before they apologize for persecuting homosexuals. Oh well...

Emotions are real too, Pale, look at how many people have died because of emotions. Your crusade against abortion is fueled by emotion, you CARE about those lives that are snuffed out.

 

[palerider]

Because something isn't common doesn't mean that it's bad, and "aberration" has a fairly negative connotation.

Abberation may have a negative connotation to you, but not to me. If the word bothers you then look inside yourself for the reason.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

Abberation may have a negative connotation to you, but not to me. If the word bothers you then look inside yourself for the reason.

I'm sorry, foreigners often don't understand the complexities of the English language. Using deliberately denigrating terms for other people is offensive, especially when it is done on purpose to slash at others on the basis of one's religious bigotries.

Oh yes, and if you're going to use terms of denigration it will make you look slightly less ignorant if you spell the words correctly: aberration. Aberrant spelling is abnormal behavior in someone such as yourself who usually professes an arrogant superiority.

 

[palerider]

I'm sorry, foreigners often don't understand the complexities of the English language. Using deliberately denigrating terms for other people is offensive, especially when it is done on purpose to slash at others on the basis of one's religious bigotries.

Oh yes, and if you're going to use terms of denigration it will make you look slightly less ignorant if you spell the words correctly: aberration. Aberrant spelling is abnormal behavior in someone such as yourself who usually professes an arrogant superiority.

Since you can't argue the facts, I figured I would toss you a bone to chew. Are you sure there were no punctuation or syntax errors there either. Check again.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

Since you can't argue the facts, I figured I would toss you a bone to chew. Are you sure there were no punctuation or syntax errors there either. Check again.

I know that in Elbownia the people aren't used to American idom so much and it may be that you don't know that "aberration" is a denigrating term. I'm just trying to help you out, Pale, so you can write more correctly and live up to your inflated sense of self-worth.

Other than that, I haven't seen any facts with which to "argue". Being a closet Catholic you bash gay people, are hysterical about abortion, and try to cover up by not admitting to be a Catholic. It's okay with me, I know lots of recovering Catholics who don't like to talk about it either.

 

[GenSeneca]

Are you sure there were no punctuation or syntax errors there either.

HA! You ended a question with a period instead of a question mark, you hysterical-gay bashing-closet Catholic!

Mare didn't catch that, probably too busy attacking your character to notice.

 

[Gipper]

Ginsburg sounds like a Nazi and the baby killers have succeeded in murdering millions of African Americans. Sick and demented.

“Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of,” said the Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/justice-ruth-bader-ginsburg-eugenicist.html

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

HA! You ended a question with a period instead of a question mark, you hysterical-gay bashing-closet Catholic!

Mare didn't catch that, probably too busy attacking your character to notice.

I try not to abuse Pale too gratuitously. His use of the word aberration was made worse by his mispelling it. I know he's from Elbownia so I make allowances for him.

 

[Dr.Who]

Ginsburg sounds like a Nazi and the baby killers have succeeded in murdering millions of African Americans. Sick and demented.

Margaret Sanger, founder of planned parenthood was a proponent of eugenics and wanted primarily to offer birth control as a means of eliminating "weeds" she even said:

"We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population," she said, "if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."
http://www.dianedew.com/sanger.htm