Teachers and Education

I work in a small alternative school; it is actually two small schools in one building. Our kids do really well but I think the key is parent involvement. Perhaps if you are the kind of person to take the time to put your kids in an alternative school and volunteer you are more likely to care about if your kids have home work and when the tests are coming and study to them. A great teacher can only do so much in a large school with kids who may or may not have parents who care.



I get irritated when I hear from schools that if its mostly poor kids they will do badly compared to the schools where kids have money, as though money is the key. I think if you look at it from another angle you could see as I do that people with money, meaning secure jobs and homes not on dope and partying every night usually are people who are more responsible and put education first in their family lives. There are poor people who are the same and those people will probably be better off than poor a few years down the road.



In another thread someone took issue with me talking about character. They might want to take issue with me again because I think its personal character that is the main driving factor in if your kids are doing well. Though not everyone with character will raise a kid the same as them and not every parent without good character will raise someone like themselves.



Poor parents can take the time to find out if their child has homework or a test coming up they need to study for just as easily as a middle class or upper middle class parent can. It is just a matter of if they are willing to take the time. But realistically if they never took the time in their own lives to do this (being possibly why they are in the situation they are in) the chances are slim that they will take the time with their kids school life that they didn’t take with their own. They may not even know how or where to begin.



I think we should have a program where people can volunteer at schools and for so many hours that you volunteer you get a certain $$ you can deduct from your taxes, if you volunteer in a poor area school your deduction is higher if you volunteer in an affluent school the deduction is less, but still enough to make it worth doing.



This would save millions on the money that currently has to be spent on teacher’s aids. It would also bring more affluent people into the poor community and help the kids who either have parents who don’t care or don’t know how to help them.



The key to good schools is parent involvement. But not every parent can do it. I worked 2 full time jobs when my son was in school and couldn’t be a parent volunteer or have much at all to do with the schools. But working for the largest school district in my area for over 22 years now I have seen what schools do well and what schools are doing poorly and though I would have to say it’s the poor schools doing poorly. But it is due to lack of parents involvement not funds. The school I currently work at is smack dab in the middle of our poorest area and is still one of the best schools because it’s an alternative small school with more parent volunteers than even staff members.

also, getting rid of the unions would be a big help :)

The problem is, in the poor inner city g-schools nationwide, you will NEVER get parental involvement. Most poor inner city g-schools in America are nothing more than baby sitting services with free meals, while the teachers and administrators embezzle booku salaries and benefits using their unions and electing Dems. It is an endless scam.

The only way to fix the inner city g-schools is with a big dose of discipline....and I mean Marine Corp boot camp type discipline. Kick ass and take names from kindergarten to 12th grade. Or as Gen suggested, do away with g-schools altogether.

Parental involvement by the poor aint going to happen and I suspect it never has, but decades ago poor kids got a decent education because there was heavy doses of discipline.
 
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Agreed, the unions are a big part of the problem. For example

The education needed to qualify to teach kindergarten is laughable

True. Not that college is a bad thing--it's just that we waste a tremendous resource when we eliminate mothers who have raised 5 kids and hire a young shy person and say--"oh, you know much better how to teach a child."
I mean--how stupid is that?
Unions built the caste system of untouchables and it needs to go.
 
The problem is, in the poor inner city g-schools nationwide, you will NEVER get parental involvement. Most poor inner city g-schools in America are nothing more than baby sitting services with free meals, while the teachers and administrators embezzle booku salaries and benefits using their unions and electing Dems. It is an endless scam.

The only way to fix the inner city g-schools is with a big dose of discipline....and I mean Marine Corp boot camp type discipline. Kick ass and take names from kindergarten to 12th grade. Or as Gen suggested, do away with g-schools altogether.

Parental involvement by the poor aint going to happen and I suspect it never has, but decades ago poor kids got a decent education because there was heavy doses of discipline.
I agree in inner city schools you won’t get parent involvement but if you gave good tax breaks for people willing to volunteer in the inner city schools it would help allot. Doing the jobs parents won’t do so to speak. I think it’s at least worth a try.
 
They sure aren't qualified in 5 year olds, but they have PC downpat.

Kindergartener Receives 10-Day Suspension for NERF Gun

It is also the Mother Lode Repository of Ultra-Leftist Feminists who want to "change" the world--especially boys.
Like that would ever work out.

BTW--I know lots and lots of UTLA alumni--including my best friend who taught in South Central for 31 years in one of those salmon-colored stucco compounds that looks like a Gulag prison. Right next to the Harbor FWY on Vernon Street in the city of Vernon.
He got paid 10% more for being a male teaching grade school, another 10% for teaching in the "ghetto". Back in the day.
The parents of those children re-define the pejorative term abysmal.
 
I realize there are many good teachers out there. But, I also believe public education is a failure from A to Z. Both because of the Unions and the Federal Government.

I choose to home school my children for religious and political reason but primarily for academic reasons!

Your children are fortunate--and you are a good parent. (y)
 
I realize there are many good teachers out there. But, I also believe public education is a failure from A to Z. Both because of the Unions and the Federal Government.

I choose to home school my children for religious and political reason but primarily for academic reasons!

and I chose carefully where I lived to be in better schools, I kept my kid motivated and showed what was BS and why and kiddo was top twn percentile and among the most decorated and is above Dean's list in college now. was I fortunate to be able to buy this house ? I guess but there are those who spent far more for even better neighborhoods and are not seeing such results. mainly I'm blessed with a terrific kid.
 
I realize there are many good teachers out there. But, I also believe public education is a failure from A to Z. Both because of the Unions and the Federal Government.

I choose to home school my children for religious and political reason but primarily for academic reasons!

I swear that I would NEVER let my children walks the halls of a g-school before they were born. Fortunately they never did. It is one of the accomplishments I am most proud of.

Another damning thing about p-schools is they have long been socialism indoctrination centers. If my children turned out to be socialists, I would find that difficult to take.
 
I swear that I would NEVER let my children walks the halls of a g-school before they were born. Fortunately they never did. It is one of the accomplishments I am most proud of.

Another damning thing about p-schools is they have long been socialism indoctrination centers. If my children turned out to be socialists, I would find that difficult to take.

The Teachers brain wash them to become socialist..So do College professors like Ward Churchill for example
 
OMG ... don't get me started on that POS Ward Churchill ...
and I chose carefully where I lived to be in better schools, I kept my kid motivated and showed what was BS and why and kiddo was top twn percentile and among the most decorated and is above Dean's list in college now. was I fortunate to be able to buy this house ? I guess but there are those who spent far more for even better neighborhoods and are not seeing such results. mainly I'm blessed with a terrific kid.

Children.
They can be either your great sense of never-ending pride--if you guide.
Your sense of never-ending shame--if you do not.
An underappreciated responsibility.
Any really good parent, far exceeds all the Ph.D. programs out there.
And--it's harder to achieve.
 
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Look how the former Soviet Union raised their kids. When kids grow up to become adults they become an respectable society. The russians were not stupid unlike some people are in America. Because some parents just dont care and theres lack of disapline. You dont see the people in the former Soviet Union steal cars,Break in peoples homes or steal from the store. Cause when you have a baby in the Soviet Union you cant keep it and raise it,, the government raises it. However in America you have parents living in ghetttos on drugs and booze and theyre not even parenting their kids. Their kids roam in the streets join gangs shoot and kill people,Steal cars,Break in homes and steal from the store. Its because of the welfare system. Ordinary people when they have jobs and when they get a baby they dont get a raise in their jobs they have to ask the boss for a raise. But when welfare girls get a baby they get a raise automaticly from the government checks and more food stamps so they can buy booze and drugs. But in the soviet union you dont raise your kids the government does. And you dont get more rubbles just because you get a baby.
 
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