Understanding the Enemy

it hasn't even begun yet.
there is a plan for the destruction of the West and millions will die in the US.

Yes, there is a plan by Islamic terrorists, but I don't see it taking over the world. I mean, look at communism. I bet you would have been on the red scare bandwagon all the way post world war II shouting your mouth off about the end of the world nearing and a need to blow up anyone foreign.

Come off it, your fear is consuming you.
 
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Yes, there is a plan by Islamic terrorists, but I don't see it taking over the world. I mean, look at communism. I bet you would have been on the red scare bandwagon all the way post world war II shouting your mouth off about the end of the world nearing and a need to blow up anyone foreign.

Come off it, your fear is consuming you.

I have no fear.
but the Pentagon doesn't write off a plan because they don't think it's a good one. they prepare for the worst.
so you can think it won't work all you want, what is important is that the enemy thinks it will work.
 
is this extreme?
"MONTREAL - In a previously undisclosed interview with CSIS investigators, alleged al-Qaeda sleeper agent Adil Charkaoui described how members of Montreal's Arab community were recruiting people for jihad before 9/11.
"Charkaoui explained that many are called but few are chosen. It's a funnel effect," according to a summary of the April, 2001, interview with the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, just added to the court record.

"The person responsible for recruitment attends certain nerve centres, such as mosques. Someone whom the recruiter considers to have potential will be invited to meetings where he will be exposed to certain activities having to do with jihad. The person is tested. If any flaw is detected related to the security that he must respect to participate in jihad activities, he will be expelled from the group immediately."
 
I have no fear.
but the Pentagon doesn't write off a plan because they don't think it's a good one. they prepare for the worst.
so you can think it won't work all you want, what is important is that the enemy thinks it will work.

http://www.mituk.org/?p=64

The Khilafah system is the dream of most Islamic movements around the world today as an ultimate objective, since the last remnants of this system were destroyed at the hands of Kemal Ataturk on the 3rd of March 1924...

Unlike the leaders who rule today, the Khaleefah (or Emir/Amir/Ameer) – who has been given authority by the Muslims to rule over the Khilafah – must ensure that only the Shari’ah is implemented internally and that it is also carried to the world as the foreign policy of the State...

So why would the West, and in particular George Bush and Tony Blair, be so vehemently against the re-establishment of such a system? Is it because they are concerned at how women were obliged to cover themselves in public, is it because they opposed capital punishment or is it because they understand that establishing the Khilafah means the re-emergence of this beacon of light on the earth and the beginning of the end of man made systems of law?

It is clear that the latter is the real cause for concern. The Khilafah system is in truth an affront to all capitalist or other man made systems of ruling because it rejects all their ideologies, foundations and institutions. It does not accept secularism, democracy, liberalism or freedom and nor does it accept for any body to have any say over it such as the United Nations or their Security Council.

Hence, the Khilafah would be in one camp whilst the rest of the world would be in the other. Sovereignty for God verses sovereignty for man, the law of God verses the law of man, a civilisation based on divine commands verses a civilisation based on the whims and desires of man. This is the real reason why the American and British governments are firmly against its emergence.

The Muslim Ummah (community) has been described by scholars as a pregnant woman in her last stage of pregnancy – she has a short time before delivery. The only question is whether it will be a natural birth delivered through public opinion and awareness leading to change or whether it will be carried out via a caesarean operation requiring a military coup or bloody revolution. ...
 
Same plan from a different perspective.



http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpa...930A1575AC0A966958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=2

Saddam to US Ambassador 1990

…If you use pressure, we will deploy pressure and force. We know that you can harm us although we do not threaten you. But we too can harm you. Everyone can cause harm according to their ability and their size. We cannot come all the way to you in the United States, but individual Arabs may reach you.
You can come to Iraq with aircraft and missiles but do not push us to the point where we cease to care….


http://pierrelegrand.net/2006/07/21/saddamterrorconvention.htm

Iraq 1993

The moment of confrontation had come. President Bush warned Saddam Hussein that if he continued to interfere with United Nations weapons inspectors and to shoot at American warplanes over Iraq, he would have to pay the consequences. So Islamic radicals from all over the Middle East, Africa and Asia converged on Baghdad to show their solidarity with Iraq in the face of American aggression. Chechens in Persian-lamb hats, Moroccans in caftans, delegates who hailed “from Jakarta to Dakar,” as one Senegalese put it, poured into Baghdad’s Rashid Hotel, where Saddam’s minions urged them to embrace jihad as “the one gate to Paradise.” And the greatest holy warrior of all? “The mujahed Saddam Hussein, who is leading this nation against the nonbelievers,” they were told. “Everyone has a task to do, which is to go against the American state,” declared Saddam’s deputy Ezzat Ibrahim. The Americans had colonized Lebanon; they had colonized Saudi Arabia. But the line against them would be drawn in Iraq. Believers would triumph, said Ibrahim: “Our stand now can lead us to final victory, to Paradise.”




http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/02/17/transcripts/clinton.iraq/


Tuesday February 17, 1998 Clinton speech pentagon
…Saddam Hussein's Iraq reminds us of what we learned in the 20th century and warns us of what we must know about the 21st. In this century, we learned through harsh experience that the only answer to aggression and illegal behavior is firmness, determination, and when necessary action.

In the next century, the community of nations may see more and more the very kind of threat Iraq poses now a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction ready to use them or provide them to terrorists, drug traffickers or organized criminals who travel the world among us unnoticed.

If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow by the knowledge that they can act with impunity, even in the face of a clear message from the United Nations Security Council and clear evidence of a weapons of mass destruction program.

But if we act as one, we can safeguard our interests and send a clear message to every would-be tyrant and terrorist that the international community does have the wisdom and the will and the way to protect peace and security in a new era….



(5 days later like a puppet on a string)



http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/980223-fatwa.htm

23 February 1998 Fatwa

…No one argues today about three facts that are known to everyone…..



First, for over seven years the United States has been occupying the lands of Islam in the holiest of places, the Arabian Peninsula, plundering its riches, dictating to its rulers, humiliating its people, terrorizing its neighbors, and turning its bases in the Peninsula into a spearhead through which to fight the neighboring Muslim peoples.

If some people have in the past argued about the fact of the occupation, all the people of the Peninsula have now acknowledged it. The best proof of this is the Americans' continuing aggression against the Iraqi people using the Peninsula as a staging post, even though all its rulers are against their territories being used to that end, but they are helpless.



Second, despite the great devastation inflicted on the Iraqi people by the crusader-Zionist alliance, and despite the huge number of those killed, which has exceeded 1 million... despite all this, the Americans are once against trying to repeat the horrific massacres….



Third, if the Americans' aims behind these wars are religious and economic, the aim is also to serve the Jews' petty state and divert attention from its occupation of Jerusalem and murder of Muslims there. The best proof of this is their eagerness to destroy Iraq, the strongest neighboring Arab state, and their endeavor to fragment all the states of the region such as Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Sudan into paper statelets and through their disunion and weakness to guarantee Israel's survival and the continuation of the brutal crusade occupation of the Peninsula….


On that basis, and in compliance with Allah's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims:

The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies -- civilians and military -- is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it
 
extreme?
"KABUL, Afghanistan - The number of students and teachers killed in Taliban attacks has tripled in the past year in a campaign to close schools and force teenage boys to join the Islamic militia, Afghanistan's education minister says.
While the overall state of Afghan education shows improvement, Education Ministry numbers point to a sharp decline in security for students, teachers and schools in the south, where the Taliban thrives: The number of students out of classes because of security concerns has hit 300,000 since March 2007, compared with 200,000 in the previous 12 months, while the number of schools closing has risen from 350 to 590."

oh my... no comments on this extreme behavior... oh well. maybe the point has sunk in already. thank god.
 
extreme?
"KABUL, Afghanistan - The number of students and teachers killed in Taliban attacks has tripled in the past year in a campaign to close schools and force teenage boys to join the Islamic militia, Afghanistan's education minister says.


They also realise that once the Khilafah is established on Earth there will once again be education for the masses based purely on the revelation from the Qur’an and teachings of the Messenger Muhammad; Western corruption from Hollywood and the pornography, cosmetics and fashion industries exploiting the procreation instincts will be banned; consuming and trading in drugs and alcohol will be illegal; and monopolising wealth or commodities and engaging in usurious transactions will also be illegal.
http://www.mituk.org/?p=64
 
yes, mainstream places in Islam. you still avoid all the examples I have given of mainstream extreme in Islam. denial?

source? Saddam's computer, AQ documents. get a report from ijet.

Mainstream Islam is not extreme Islam.

Simple mathmatics ought to tell you that. Unless your enslaved to MSM's version of reality.

Do you have a link for those sources? I can't find anything.
 
is this extreme?
"MONTREAL - In a previously undisclosed interview with CSIS investigators, alleged al-Qaeda sleeper agent Adil Charkaoui described how members of Montreal's Arab community were recruiting people for jihad before 9/11.
"Charkaoui explained that many are called but few are chosen. It's a funnel effect," according to a summary of the April, 2001, interview with the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, just added to the court record.

"The person responsible for recruitment attends certain nerve centres, such as mosques. Someone whom the recruiter considers to have potential will be invited to meetings where he will be exposed to certain activities having to do with jihad. The person is tested. If any flaw is detected related to the security that he must respect to participate in jihad activities, he will be expelled from the group immediately."


All these examples of extremism and all you can find is one 2001 example of an alledged case in a western country?

Keep googling.

The math is still in moderate Islam's favor.
 
???? Before 9/11 he had the power to bomb the WTC, foreign US embassies, Kobar towers and 3000 Americans in an instant.


Before 9/11? 9/11 was his one big act. Period.

Now he has the power to splatter some Pakistannis or Iraqi Shiites up against a wall. Before 9/11 we ignored him, after, anything but. Continuing to ignore him after 9/11 would have likely brought a continuation of what we got before 9/11 and increased his prestige among the muslims even more. Especially since our invasion of Iraq, his support among the Muslims has declined. Seems to me, everything is opposite of what you believe.

He wasn't ignored.


After 9/11 his support among Muslims notably declined. Until we invaded a sovereign country. Even then - he has still been largely denounced. His popularity is limited to would be jihadists and sympathizers with foreign occupation. He is a cult figure. And probably dead.
 
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Mainstream places in Islam does not equal mainstream Islam.

Try again.

huh? all the examples of extremism I gave are all mainstream Islam.
you can try to toy with words Mr. Clinton and the definition of little words but until you understand Islam is not a religion of peace you shall remain under-informed.
 
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