Understanding the Enemy

[Coyote]

I was looking for something to support your assertion, not mine.

My assertion was that support for Osama went down after 9/11.

From the article:

"Most Muslim publics are expressing less support for terrorism than in the past. Confidence in Osama bin Laden has declined markedly in some countries, and fewer believe suicide bombings that target civilians are justified in the defense of Islam," the poll concluded.

 

[bewitched]

Don't confuse him with facts...

I'm a she.
and the one's in the thread who claim there are a few "extremists" out there causing terror, or that terror is completely gone... can address my examples.
thanks.

 

[bewitched]

Support for Bin Laden, Violence Down Among Muslims, Poll Says

poll vs reality.
which one do you choose?
ummm, let me guess.

 

[bewitched]

Mainstream: Representing the prevalent attitudes, values, and practices of a society or group.


You are giving how many cases out of what...2 billion or something Muslims world wide and you are pretending it's mainstream? And most of those cases occur in a handful of countries under religious law?

Try again.

all my examples represent the attitude, values, and practices. that's what you aren't understanding. Islam is very simple. and 2 billion believe this simple theology.

 

[jb_1430]

My assertion was that support for Osama went down after 9/11.

From the article:

"Most Muslim publics are expressing less support for terrorism than in the past. Confidence in Osama bin Laden has declined markedly in some countries, and fewer believe suicide bombings that target civilians are justified in the defense of Islam," the poll concluded.

I claimed

you claimed

After 9/11 his support among Muslims notably declined. Until we invaded a sovereign country.

you showed a comparison of May 2003 to 2005. 1 1/2 months after Iraq invasion compared to 2005. 1 1/2 YEARS after Afghanistan. Support for Bin laden began dropping after we began pounding the shiite out of him. Youve not shown anything to indicate what the support was before 9/11. I suspect 9/11 INCREASED his support.
Summer 2002 73% of lebanese supported suicide bombings, this is AFTER 9/11. Support for such things is soaring. We pound the shiite out of Afghanistan and Iraq and then it drops to 39% in 2005.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

"TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran's president said on Sunday the publication of a U.S. intelligence report saying Iran had halted a nuclear weapons program in 2003 amounted to a "declaration of surrender" by Washington in its row with Tehran.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad also dismissed in an interview with state television the prospect of new U.N. sanctions against Iran over its refusal to halt sensitive atomic work.

"It is too far-fetched," he said when asked whether he expected the U.N. Security Council to impose fresh sanctions on Iran following two such resolutions since last December.

Ahmadinejad, who often rails against the West, told a rally earlier this month that the December 3 publication of the U.S. National Intelligence Estimate was a "victory" for Iran."

it's important to note the stance Iran is taking. it's aggressive and wartone.

and Bush is peace and roses.......of course they are, both sides are...it plays well to there people. Look at the debates, the Republicans are trying to show off who looks like they may kill Iran more .....

 

[Coyote]

all my examples represent the attitude, values, and practices. that's what you aren't understanding. Islam is very simple. and 2 billion believe this simple theology.

Oh?


Reality doesn't happen to support your opinion.

 

[Coyote]

and Bush is peace and roses.......of course they are, both sides are...it plays well to there people. Look at the debates, the Republicans are trying to show off who looks like they may kill Iran more .....

Rhetoric.


But it ratcheted up when Bush proclaimed the "axis of evil". Peace and roses.

 

[Coyote]

I claimed



you claimed



you showed a comparison of May 2003 to 2005. 1 1/2 months after Iraq invasion compared to 2005. 1 1/2 YEARS after Afghanistan. Support for Bin laden began dropping after we began pounding the shiite out of him. Youve not shown anything to indicate what the support was before 9/11. I suspect 9/11 INCREASED his support.
Summer 2002 73% of lebanese supported suicide bombings, this is AFTER 9/11. Support for such things is soaring. We pound the shiite out of Afghanistan and Iraq and then it drops to 39% in 2005.

Support for suicide bombing doesn't equal support for bin Laden.

In addition, you imply that support for suicide bombing is down because we invaded Iraq. That might be true. But the truth of that might be because of the collossal amount of bloodshed, violence and civil war that followed our ill-planned invasion. People may well be sickened by the mindless excess of violence.

 

[jb_1430]

Support for suicide bombing doesn't equal support for bin Laden.

In addition, you imply that support for suicide bombing is down because we invaded Iraq. That might be true. But the truth of that might be because of the collossal amount of bloodshed, violence and civil war that followed our ill-planned invasion. People may well be sickened by the mindless excess of violence.

Whats your point? We know support for Bin Laden has gone down after the invasions of both Afghanistan and Iraq. We have NO evidence that it went down after 9/11, before the invasion of Afghanistan or Iraq.

 

[bewitched]

Oh?


Reality doesn't happen to support your opinion.

reality. here's another moderate muslim... doctor.
"London dentist Sohail Qureshi told the police he was just off to celebrate the Muslim festival of Eid with his family in Pakistan…
But instead of dental floss and fluoride, Qureshi, 30, tried to board a plane at Heathrow Airport with $18,000 in cash, a night vision scope, two metal batons, terror handbooks, extremist material, military information on CDs and medical supplies."

 

[Coyote]

reality. here's another moderate muslim... doctor.
"London dentist Sohail Qureshi told the police he was just off to celebrate the Muslim festival of Eid with his family in Pakistan…
But instead of dental floss and fluoride, Qureshi, 30, tried to board a plane at Heathrow Airport with $18,000 in cash, a night vision scope, two metal batons, terror handbooks, extremist material, military information on CDs and medical supplies."

Wow - one case.


You do understand what a valid sampling is don't you?

 

[Coyote]

Some interesting stuff.

Source: http://www.contextsmagazine.org/content_sample_v1-4.php

A minority of Muslims support Islamist organizations, and not just because they are illegal in many countries. There are only a handful of reputable surveys on the subject, but they show consistently that most Muslims oppose Islamists and their goals. Surveys in 1988 found that 46 and 20 percent of respondents in Kuwait and Egypt, respectively, favored Islamist goals in religion and politics. A 1986 survey in the West Bank and Gaza found 26 percent calling for a state based on shariëa, and polls in the same regions showed support for Hamas and other Islamist groups dropping from 23 percent in 1994 to 13 to 18 percent in 1996-97. A 1999 survey in Turkey found 21 percent favoring implementation of shariëa, consistent with other surveys in the mid-1990s. In a Gallup poll of nine Muslim societies at the end of 2001, only 15 percent of respondents said they considered the September 11 attacks to be morally justifiable.

 

[bewitched]

Wow - one case.


You do understand what a valid sampling is don't you?

I've given a dozen samples. and you ignore them all. because you are in denial.
hopeless.
good luck to you!

 

[bewitched]

Some interesting stuff.

Source: http://www.contextsmagazine.org/content_sample_v1-4.php

A minority of Muslims support Islamist organizations, and not just because they are illegal in many countries. There are only a handful of reputable surveys on the subject, but they show consistently that most Muslims oppose Islamists and their goals. Surveys in 1988 found that 46 and 20 percent of respondents in Kuwait and Egypt, respectively, favored Islamist goals in religion and politics. A 1986 survey in the West Bank and Gaza found 26 percent calling for a state based on shariëa, and polls in the same regions showed support for Hamas and other Islamist groups dropping from 23 percent in 1994 to 13 to 18 percent in 1996-97. A 1999 survey in Turkey found 21 percent favoring implementation of shariëa, consistent with other surveys in the mid-1990s. In a Gallup poll of nine Muslim societies at the end of 2001, only 15 percent of respondents said they considered the September 11 attacks to be morally justifiable.

actions speak louder than words.
the head investigator was killed yesterday in Lebanon... what about that?
keep getting your information from polls.