Understanding the Enemy

is this extreme?
"Muhammad Ayn-al-Nas, a 26-year-old Moroccan, started his journey in Casablanca. After flying to Turkey and then to Damascus, he reached his destination in a small Iraqi border town on Jan. 31, 2007. He was an economics student back home, he told the al-Qaeda clerk who interviewed him on arrival. Asked what sort of work he hoped to do in Iraq, Nas replied: "Martyr."
 
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Coyote said:
When the economy starts to sink, you'll see politicians start to scramble to find a good enemy to rally against. Truth and accuracy are irrelevent. Just keep people scared and they won't have to worry about the economy or anything else. About time for another 9/11...
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conspiracy theory world.
sad for you.
 
bewitched said:
conspiracy theory world.
sad for you.
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Nah. Not me.

I'm not talking about government involvement in 9/11. That's b.s.

I'm saying that in hard times a country NEEDS an enemy. Whether it's the commies of yesterday or the Islamofascists of today.

We created and empowered bin Laden because we needed him. He was a nothing until we began paying attention to him.

We created a thousand more bin Laden's when we chose to invade Iraq on false pretexts. Now, in order to maintain waning public support for our fictional "war on terror" - which is really best handled through international police work rather than military means - we need to keep the fear alive in the public minds. Like we did the commies.

You're doing a good job:D
 
Coyote said:
Nah. Not me.

I'm not talking about government involvement in 9/11. That's b.s.

I'm saying that in hard times a country NEEDS an enemy. Whether it's the commies of yesterday or the Islamofascists of today.

We created and empowered bin Laden because we needed him. He was a nothing until we began paying attention to him.

We created a thousand more bin Laden's when we chose to invade Iraq on false pretexts. Now, in order to maintain waning public support for our fictional "war on terror" - which is really best handled through international police work rather than military means - we need to keep the fear alive in the public minds. Like we did the commies.

You're doing a good job:D
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that's just not true. we didn't create Ossama. there is a real man and he has a real Islamic mission against the West because of his theology.

your "fictional" war on terror is a conspiracy theory. there is a real Ossama with a real agenda. there is a concise 7 phase plan to destroy the West and it wasn't made up by the Bush Administration or the US. unless the American public realizes this then we face millions of deaths and probably destruction of this country as we know it.
but please, keep your head buried in the sand and write it off as a conspiracy if that makes you feel safe.

care to address all the examples of "extreme" that I posted? huh?
 
bewitched said:
that's just not true. we didn't create Ossama. there is a real man and he has a real Islamic mission against the West because of his theology.
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I'm not saying he's fictional. Don't be so literal. The policies of the US, USSR and other western countries in the Middle East and Afghanistan created a situation that allowed bin Laden to become powerful and allowed his message to become attractive. It is not too dissimilar from the punative post-WW1 measures instituted against Germany that paved the way for a man like Hitler to sell his political message. On top of that, like with Sadam, the CIA supported him against the Soviets in Afghanistan - playing with fire. They did not literally create him, but in many ways they created the "legend".

Not only that but bin Laden represented a single focus of "evil" that the US labeled and paid considerable public attention to. What was bin Laden before that? Just another terrorist. He gained power and prestige among Islamic radicals by confronting the US and being acknowledged by the US, creating the image of David vs. Goliath to many would be Jihadists.

your "fictional" war on terror is a conspiracy theory. there is a real Ossama with a real agenda. there is a concise 7 phase plan to destroy the West and it wasn't made up by the Bush Administration or the US. unless the American public realizes this then we face millions of deaths and probably destruction of this country as we know it.
but please, keep your head buried in the sand and write it off as a conspiracy if that makes you feel safe.
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Sounds llike you're the one with the conspiracy theories :D

care to address all the examples of "extreme" that I posted? huh?
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I addressed some. But again, I can find examples of "extreme" in many different faiths...and have. What's your point? None appear to represent mainstream Islam.
 
Coyote said:
I'm not saying he's fictional. Don't be so literal. The policies of the US, USSR and other western countries in the Middle East and Afghanistan created a situation that allowed bin Laden to become powerful and allowed his message to become attractive. It is not too dissimilar from the punative post-WW1 measures instituted against Germany that paved the way for a man like Hitler to sell his political message. On top of that, like with Sadam, the CIA supported him against the Soviets in Afghanistan - playing with fire. They did not literally create him, but in many ways they created the "legend".

Not only that but bin Laden represented a single focus of "evil" that the US labeled and paid considerable public attention to. What was bin Laden before that? Just another terrorist. He gained power and prestige among Islamic radicals by confronting the US and being acknowledged by the US, creating the image of David vs. Goliath to many would be Jihadists.




Sounds llike you're the one with the conspiracy theories :D



I addressed some. But again, I can find examples of "extreme" in many different faiths...and have. What's your point? None appear to represent mainstream Islam.
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no one created Ossama except Islam. period.

the 7 phase plan was documented on Saddam's computer and other AQ documentation picked up by intelligence agencies.

all the extreme examples I gave you were from mainstream places. and there are no mainstream Christians out there behaving the same way.
 
bewitched said:
no one created Ossama except Islam. period.

the 7 phase plan was documented on Saddam's computer and other AQ documentation picked up by intelligence agencies.
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Source?

all the extreme examples I gave you were from mainstream places. and there are no mainstream Christians out there behaving the same way.
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I'm not talking about mainstream "places". I'm talking about mainstream Islam.
 
Coyote said:
What was bin Laden before that? Just another terrorist. He gained power and prestige among Islamic radicals by confronting the US and being acknowledged by the US, creating the image of David vs. Goliath to many would be Jihadists.
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???? Before 9/11 he had the power to bomb the WTC, foreign US embassies, Kobar towers and 3000 Americans in an instant. Now he has the power to splatter some Pakistannis or Iraqi Shiites up against a wall. Before 9/11 we ignored him, after, anything but. Continuing to ignore him after 9/11 would have likely brought a continuation of what we got before 9/11 and increased his prestige among the muslims even more. Especially since our invasion of Iraq, his support among the Muslims has declined. Seems to me, everything is opposite of what you believe.
 
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