Understanding the Enemy

[numinus]

What you or wikipedia think isnt really relevant.

It is relevant insofar as to prove your ignorance regarding the subject you pretend to know.

 

[Coyote]

That would be the oldest surviving copy. Almost all biblical scholars agree that this copy was itself copied from a source that is within the window of an eye-witness account. That document is the hypothetical Q document.

Certainly, this is more credible than the assertion that the koran is a a faithful and verbatim account of mohammed's words, handed down through oral tradition.

The temerity with which you presume to teach me is astounding. In fact, your logical abilities is nothing more than the cumbersome plodding of a pachyderm.

There have been interesting studies done on how stories changed as they get passed on.

 

[jb_1430]

It is relevant insofar as to prove your ignorance regarding the subject you pretend to know.

And if your depth of knowledge can get past the wikipedia stage, you might come to realize that you dont have the slightest idea what you are talking about.

The quran was written during the life of the prophet peace be upon him.
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Islam-947/History-Writing-Quran.htm

Each revelation of the Holy Quran was written down by the Prophet's scribes under his instruction and supervision.
http://www.quran.gov.ae/content/view/27/71/lang,english/

In the first two sections of this work, a review was made of the alterations undergone by the Old Testament and the Gospels before they were handed down to us in the form we know today. The same is not true for the Quran for the simple reason that it was written down at the time of the Prophet;
http://www.islam-guide.com/bqs/15authenticity.htm

The revelations Muhammad (p.b.u.h.) received were written down during his lifetime on different writing materials. However, they were not bound into one single book. This is confirmed by a report that says "when people came to Medina to learn about Islam, they were provided with copies of the chapters of the Quran, to read and learn them by heart." ("Sahifa Hammam ibn Munabbih," by Hamidullah, 1979, p.64)
http://www.arabicbible.com/islam/hit.htm

A record of the exact words revealed by God to the Prophet Muhammad through the Archangel Gabriel, the Quran holy book was memorized by Muhammad, recited to his Companions to memorize, and written down by scribes, who cross-checked it during his lifetime.
http://blessingscornucopia.com/Islam_Muslim_Islamic_Sunnah_Islam_Quran_and_Archangel_Gabriel.htm

The Prophet himself was unlettered, did not knew how to read and write, therefore he called upon his numerous scribes to write the revelation for him. Complete Quran thus existed in written form in the lifetime of the Prophet.
http://www.galway.iol.ie/~afifi/BICNews/Sabeel/sabeel3.htm

The compilation and printing of the Quran (in the sense of written documents) were made during the lifetime of the prophet.
http://www.wideopenwest.com/~salamradio/Hadeeth.htm

Scribing during the life of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). The Revelation scribes wrote down the Quran, according to the order of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), on pieces of cloth, leather, bones, and stones. Its verses were ordered and arranged according to Allah's inspiration.
http://www.sunnah.org/history/quran_compiled.htm

The Quran was written in the Prophets time. It was also momorized by many people.
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/archive/index.php/t-165299.html

 

[bewitched]

get past comparing Christianity to Islam and we can make some progress. until then you will not understand the enemy.

 

[jb_1430]

get past comparing Christianity to Islam and we can make some progress. until then you will not understand the enemy.

Im not comparing. I am showing that there is no comparison.

 

[bewitched]

Im not comparing. I am showing that there is no comparison.

I wasn't really referring to you. you should have no need to even go there. this conversation is going in the typical "verses" circle.

the enemy is Islamic terrorism. period. no verses will change that.
and in case no one has noticed, thoday the UN council has agreed that Iran shouldn't continue it's nuclear path.
further, think about the US in a deep recession, which is being compared to the Great Depression and how vulnerable we would be to a powerful enemy.

 

[Coyote]

get past comparing Christianity to Islam and we can make some progress. until then you will not understand the enemy.

Oh, I understand the enemy alright...it's called extremism.

 

[Coyote]

and how vulnerable we would be to a powerful enemy.

How vulnerable we would be TO an enemy...or


how vulnerable we would be FOR an enemy?

 

[bewitched]

Oh, I understand the enemy alright...it's called extremism.

and now the next step is to understand the numbers of current daily extremism and how it will grow in the future.

 

[bewitched]

How vulnerable we would be TO an enemy...or


how vulnerable we would be FOR an enemy?

how vulnerable we will be. how's that?
with an ecomony that is sinking and ME countries bailing us out allows them ownership and more power over the US. just add 12 terrorist attacks in major cities and Sharia Law isn't far behind.

 

[bewitched]

is this extreme?
from Macomb Michigan paper
"Police said anti-Jewish and anti-Christian fliers were found on cars parked in a lot on the northwest corner of 15 Mile and Ryan roads.
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Sterling Heights police Detective Sgt. Paul Jesperson said three separate complaints were filed by residents Tuesday who found the fliers on their windshields.

He said the flier said: "Kill Jews and Christians if they don't believe in Allah and Mohammad."

It further advises people to "Fight those who do not believe."

 

[numinus]

And if your depth of knowledge can get past the wikipedia stage, you might come to realize that you dont have the slightest idea what you are talking about.

I have a jesuit primary and secondary education, fyi. Unlike you, I don't need any other source to understand my own religion.

 

[Coyote]

how vulnerable we will be. how's that?
with an ecomony that is sinking and ME countries bailing us out allows them ownership and more power over the US. just add 12 terrorist attacks in major cities and Sharia Law isn't far behind.

When the economy starts to sink, you'll see politicians start to scramble to find a good enemy to rally against. Truth and accuracy are irrelevent. Just keep people scared and they won't have to worry about the economy or anything else. About time for another 9/11...

 

[jb_1430]

I have a jesuit primary and secondary education, fyi. Unlike you, I don't need any other source to understand my own religion.

What religion would that be? It is Islam we are discussing and that you do not understand.

 

[jb_1430]

When the economy starts to sink, you'll see politicians start to scramble to find a good enemy to rally against. Truth and accuracy are irrelevent. Just keep people scared and they won't have to worry about the economy or anything else. About time for another 9/11...

Your views are becoming clearer. We dwell in different plains of existance.