Today I heard a Madman he sounded like Hitler!

[Andy]

So, you interpret "spreading the wealth" to mean taking money from working people and giving it to lazy ass nonworking people? I saw what he said, but I didn't interpret it the same as you. I would feel the same way, but once again, how I processed what he said is totally different from what you say you heard. Talk about money being taken away from us whose money was used for the "Bailout" ? Whose money is being sent to Iraq? That's a lot of money, isn't it?

Well how exactly do you think he will "spread the wealth"? Because typically you can't just spread wealth around. At least not without taking the wealth from one group of people, generally the ones that earned it, which is why they have it... and then giving it to people who have not earned it, which is why they don't have it.

No, I'm totally against the Bailout. I'm against any form of socialism. Obama, generally speaking isn't against the bailout, other than because being so will improve his pole numbers. But you'll note that Obama did not vote against the Bailout. And if you missed it, his fellow democrats are the ones who made sure the bailout passed.

As for Iraq, I am totally in favor of that. It's a worthy cause, and the right thing to do.

By the way, Iraq is a mere fraction our budget, and a fraction the size of the bailout, and is an even smaller fraction of how much Obama wished to spend if he's elected. So if you want to talk about blowing money, Obama is going to over spend by far more than we ever have in Iraq.

 

[Andy]

Obama got the attention of half of voting Americans, not just one minority. Again, it's a poor metaphor comparing abortion to the genocide of Hitler. Abortion is a personal choice of a single woman, and not a government mandate to kill all babies.

Ok it is a bad metaphor. But it is not a "personal choice of a single woman", anymore than the murder of Nicole Brown was just a "personal choice of a former football star".

Murder is murder. If it's human (√) and it's alive (√) and it's innocent and not done anything deserving death (√), then by killing it (√), you are committing murder. (√√√√) It's real simple.

Mur•der

(mûr'dər) Pronunciation Key
n.

1. The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.

Any questions?

 

[Lagboltz]

You guys represent what is wrong with the extreme polarization of politics. You indicate that I favor murder. (Yes, I'm exaggerating.) I was simply saying it is a poor metaphor. The fact that I am more liberal than you is obvious from my posts. You then take the stance that someone who is liberal favors all the crap that the extreme left wing espouses. I happen to be against abortion.

Finally some of you seem to imply that charisma is a trait to be handled with suspicion. Christ had charisma. Do we compare him to Hitler too?

 

[Andy]

You guys represent what is wrong with the extreme polarization of politics. You indicate that I favor murder. (Yes, I'm exaggerating.) I was simply saying it is a poor metaphor. The fact that I am more liberal than you is obvious from my posts. You then take the stance that someone who is liberal favors all the crap that the extreme left wing espouses. I happen to be against abortion.

Finally some of you seem to imply that charisma is a trait to be handled with suspicion. Christ had charisma. Do we compare him to Hitler too?

Hey, I suggested nothing. I pointed out something. If the shoe fits... that's not my fault. I'm am simply stating the truth. If you the truth hurts... again, not my fault.

Now, back to the point....

I never, nor intended, to imply that there is an inherent problem with charisma. That's a strawman, you made up. Not me.

Ronald Reagan had amazing charisma. But he also what very specific and pointed with what he said and believed. There was no ambiguous... I wonder what he thinks, type speeches from Reagan.

Jesus also never gave a nebulas, 'not sure what he means', who knows where he stands, type talks and sermons. He was very pointed, very direct.

Again.... Obama is not like this. Obama sways in the wind, and blows around cheezy catch phrases like "yes we can" without saying what. He spits out tag lines like "Hope and Change", without saying what we should have a hope in (other than himself the messiah mantra), or what change he would really like.

This is exactly how Hitler and many dictators came to power.

This is a speech Hitler gave in Munich MAY 1, 1923. Notice the how he doesn't say what he really wants to do... just some ambiguous phrases.

There are three words which many use without a thought which for us are no catch-phrases: Love, Faith, and Hope. We National Socialists wish to love our Fatherland, we wish to learn to love it, to learn to love it jealously, to love it alone and to suffer no other idol to stand by its side. We know only one interest and that is the interest of our people.

We are fanatical in our love for our people, and we are anxious that so-called 'national governments' should be conscious of that fact. We can go as loyally as a dog with those who share our sincerity, but we will pursue with fanatical hatred the man who believes that he can play tricks with this love of ours. We cannot go with governments who look two ways at once, who squint both towards the Right and towards the Left. We are straightforward: it must be either love or hate.

We have faith in the rights of our people, the rights which have existed time out of mind. We protest against the view that every other nation should have rights - and we have none. We must learn to make our own this blind faith in the rights of our people, in the necessity of devoting ourselves to the service of these rights; we must make our own the faith that gradually victory must be granted us if only we are fanatical enough. And from this love and from this faith there emerges for us the idea of hope. When others doubt and hesitate for the future of Germany - we have no doubts. We have both the hope and the faith that Germany will and must once more become great and mighty.

We have both the hope and the faith that the day will come on which Germany shall stretch from Koenigsberg to Strassburg, and from Hamburg to Vienna.

Although the word 'change' is not specifically stated, it's clear that he was promoting change.

Again, the point is, the speech here from Hitler, and the speeches of Obama, are clearly similar in their mutual lack of specifics, their lack of pointed intentions, their ambiguous states of hope and faith, and we can do it attitudes. Neither are clear cut outlines of what their end goals, while both Obama and Hitler claimed to be in favor of the common man.

Was Hitler in favor of the common man? He disarmed the population, had secret police, and wiped out anyone who was viewed as a threat, or unnecessary. Clearly, the speeches he gave, didn't actually say what he really believed.

So what about Obama? Well, the answer is, we don't know. Thankfully there are enough republicans in Congress, that I think he will be held in check. But honestly we don't know where Obama stands on a ton of issues.
Do you? When you see the vagueness of his speeches, or the number of times he's flip flopped on key issues, do you know what Obama stands for? Or are you a German with "hope" and "change" and "yes we can"?

What's even more ironic is that Hitlers big start was directly after the stock market crash of 1929. Most of his first speeches are all about the evils and corruption of the stock market. Of course he blamed the Jews, but such an interesting parallel to today, is it not?

 

[Phoenix68]

Today I heard a Madman he sounded like Hitler!​

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