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Tax the Rich!
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Dr.Who
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RE: the further cuts
Tell us about his tax cuts then and how they will tax poor people more than rich people.
RE: the bush cuts
You can do an internet search or start a thread and plenty of people will tell you if you are willing to listen.
RE: the wealth disparity in the US.
I did not say there was no wealth disparity. I said that even in countries with highly progressive taxes they still have huge disparities. Taxing the rich does nothing to change the situation. It is not the answer.
I gave you a video clip of Pawlenty. Please watch it, for starters. If you want other information about his tax cuts, and you expect me to provide it, may I ask why I have to research both your claims and mine?
I did not say that you said that there was no income disparity in the US. I talked about the results of income inequality. It makes nations less democratic. It causes the rich to have vastly disproportionate influence over the nation, leading to further inequalities.
The purpose of raising taxes back to what they were before the Bush tax cut is to address the deficit.
I did not say that you said that there was no income disparity in the US. I talked about the results of income inequality. It makes nations less democratic. It causes the rich to have vastly disproportionate influence over the nation, leading to further inequalities.
The purpose of raising taxes back to what they were before the Bush tax cut is to address the deficit.
Dr.Who
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Telling a father that he can't work hard to make life for his son better would make him less willing to work hard or more willing to evade taxes.
The state has no right to become entangled in the personal affairs of a family. If you want to give one kid braces and give another kid a nintendo or save your money and give both of them an inheritance it is no business of the state.
Is it fair that some kid somewhere has a dad who is very productive or frugal or both and some kid elsewhere has a dad who spends everything on booze? It is not a matter for the state to regulate. What about the dad in one place who forces his kid to study for hours every night to get all A's versus the dad who lets his kid play streetball. How unfair that the one kid will leave H.S. prepared for college and the world and the other kid will not! Maybe it is time for the state to stop the one dad from making his kid get all A's.
Dr.Who
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I don't watch video clips.
You don't have to research either my claims or yours - unless you want to be understood as a person who knows what he is talking about rather than just as a person who gives an opinion.
You made the claim that Pawlenty proposed a bad tax and if you want people to read about it to believe you then you will provide written evidence. If you don't want people to read about it and you don't provide written evidence then you will be less influential.
Have I asked you to support my claims? Though if you want to refute them then you will need to do some work. There is no substitute for doing work. Even asking the government to make other people donate to your causes is not a substitute for work.
I am not opposed to work. I found:
Pawlenty would
* Cutting the top individual income tax rate down to 25 percent;
* Having just two income tax brackets, 10 percent and 25 percent;
* Eliminating all taxation on capital gains, dividends, and estates;
* Cutting the corporate tax rate down to 15 percent
Would that help the poor? Yes.
Would that help the rich? Yes.
Would that help business? yes.
Is 10% closer to 25% then the current rates? Probably, which makes it MORE fair.
Who does it help more? Well many people pay a 25% rate now which would go down to 10%, a 15% drop. The rich pay 35% which would go down to 25%, a drop of 10%. So the rich get less of a drop than the more regular people.
Dr.Who
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If you are saying that the rich have more influence over politicians then the solution is for politicians to stop taking bribes.
I provided evidence, you refuse to watch it, because "you don't watch video clips".
BTW, there's text underneath the video.
I will therefore consider you a person who doesn't know what he's talking about, who simply gives opinions, and who expects others to do all research for both their claims and his, and to provide it in a format that he prefers. LOL
It's certainly not always a direct bribe. It's access. You do realize that a rich person has better access to elected officials than the rest of us, right?
I would like your link. Thanks.
Dr.Who
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Thats right. Far too often here a person provides a video clip which takes 5, 10, or 20 minutes to watch. Then, maybe it says what they thought it said and often it does not. Then one cannot cut and paste text from the video clip to discuss it.
You labeled it as a video clip. How would I know it included text if you labeled it incorrectly?
I will therefore consider you a person who doesn't know what he's talking about, who simply gives opinions, and who expects others to do all research for both their claims and his, and to provide it in a format that he prefers. LOL[/QUOTE]
I have provided multiple links and have provided one every time I have been asked to the best of my ability.
Dr.Who
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http://www.moneychimp.com/features/tax_brackets.htm
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/06/08/983069/-Including-Bush-tax-cuts,-Pawlentys-tax-plan-would-cost-$10-trillion-by-2021
Dr.Who
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Do you mean that politicians are not treating all the citizens of the U.S with equal protection under the law? Then throw the bums out!
Maybe its time for all of to start expecting that laws be written to apply to all people and that politicians treat all people as equals. Should we give these politicians who treat us unfairly more or less power?
You are not this naive.
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Dr.Who
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"So the top 0.1% would get an average of $1.4 million cut, an amount equal to nearly thirty times the median family income, but almost four in ten taxpayers wouldn't see their taxes go down by a single dime."
Think about it - four in ten don't pay any income taxes at all. They can't pay less than zero.
