Returning Prayer To Schools - Risky !

[dogtowner]

It is a reference to the Christian god.

it can be but is not exclusive as is allah or Jesus

 

[steveox]

Yeah if you bring the Koran into school the ACLU will look the other way. But if you bring the bible to school the ACLU will complain.

 

[PLC1]

Yeah if you bring the Koran into school the ACLU will look the other way. But if you bring the bible to school the ACLU will complain.

You and I both know that is a load of hooey.

 

[steveox]

You and I both know that is a load of hooey.

Anything from the EPA & ACLU is a load of hooey

 

[Apathy]

What happened in the United States in the years following the banning of prayer and Bible reading from public schools?

These are just some of the statistics covering "us", the students.
*Pregnancies in Teen Aged Girls - By 1994 had gone up 400%-Highest rate of teen aged motherhood in the West.
*Sexually Transmitted Diseases - Cases of gonorrhea up almost 400% among students age 10 to 14.
*Two Thirds of teenage boys say they've had sex. By the time they are 18 they've had on average, 5 partners.
*Rapes committed by 13-14 year old boys increased 186%.

These are statistics about the parents.
*Divorce rates - up 120%
*Single parent families - up 140%

What about the teachers?
*SAT scores declined sharply
*American students often place last in international scholastic competitions
* When attention focused on teachers to find the reasons for students' failure, many teachers failed certification tests.
*Dramatic increase in school violence
*Student suicides up 253%
*Students lack basic information - poor skills - bad for the business community
*Military forced to provide remedial education for recruits

Our Country
*Between 1962 and 1993 violent crime in the US increased 660%
*Alcohol use increased dramatically
*National productivity decreased
*Drug use
*Illiteracy
*72 million adults functionally illiterate
*26 million can't read at all

The founding fathers knew that these kinds of problems are controlled by the heart. When you take religion and morality away, you have taken away the restraints and the training of the heart. The heart does not respond to laws and laws cannot stop these kinds of things. All of the groups mentioned in that prayer, the students, teachers, parents, and our country, have paid dearly since 1962.

Statistics are from the Department of Justice, The College Entrance Exam Board, Department of Health and Human Resources, Department of Commerce, the Census Bureau and other official sources.

ad hoc ergo propter hoc... On top of the statistics being very shady and w/o citation.

 

[Apathy]

^In other words, the country went to hell. But that was the communists' plan in 1963.
(#28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state.")

People no longer ask what they can do for their country, but what the country can do for them.

Im sorry you are not allowed to force children to pray to your god on the public dime... Those damn communists ruined it for everyone.

 

[dogtowner]

ad hoc ergo propter hoc... On top of the statistics being very shady and w/o citation.

yes a pretty dodgy crew without doubt but a look at one's own home town is proof enough.

Statistics are from the Department of Justice, The College Entrance Exam Board, Department of Health and Human Resources, Department of Commerce, the Census Bureau and other official sources.

 

[dogtowner]

Im sorry you are not allowed to force children to pray to your god on the public dime... Those damn communists ruined it for everyone.

the nice thing about prayer is it costs nothing at all

 

[PLC1]

the nice thing about prayer is it costs nothing at all

and can be done at any time by anyone.

You just don't need to force someone else to pray to the same god you do.

 

[dogtowner]

and can be done at any time by anyone.

You just don't need to force someone else to pray to the same god you do.

agreed and agreed. I might change the "need" to "get".

 

[steveox]

But prayers never get answered. Its like Making a wish. And wishes dont ever come true.

 

[Apathy]

the nice thing about prayer is it costs nothing at all

Not when you are paying teachers for the time they spend praying.

 

[Apathy]

yes a pretty dodgy crew without doubt but a look at one's own home town is proof enough.

69% of rainbows occur during hellfire
99% of statistics are made up of the spots.
55% of imps wash using baby blood.
420% of planets are flat...

There was no link to the data or how the data was obtained by the source; as far as the evidence is concerned these are just assertions. Once the data is validated we can look at the causal agents of these statistics.

 

[dogtowner]

Not when you are paying teachers for the time they spend praying.

I pay them to pee and chill out playing movies for the kids to watch. I got over expecting them to work every second they put in long ago.

 

[dogtowner]

69% of rainbows occur during hellfire
99% of statistics are made up of the spots.
55% of imps wash using baby blood.
420% of planets are flat...

There was no link to the data or how the data was obtained by the source; as far as the evidence is concerned these are just assertions. Once the data is validated we can look at the causal agents of these statistics.

do what you will. the proof of that pudding is painfully evident to anyone with open eyes.