Prove that God doesn't exist.

Does God exist?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 63 59.4%
  • No.

    Votes: 44 41.5%

  • Total voters
    106
Your name on buildings or parks, while you are alive, is not that! We named the difference between actual and legal as in actual war versus legally declared war. Your name on a building, as it violates several things, is actual but it is not legal! So, in 7th grade I designed a plan, wrote it down for a teacher and then kept fine tuning it. In high school I changed it, in another essay, to, "I am going ot work for the CIA as I need to learn how to spy on people" [if I'm ever going to ascend]. Not once did it occur to me that I am Jefferson, or any other person, or that if I succeeded then God would knight me first so no person like the Chief Justice or you could ever harm me in such a way that i'd quit or give up. I mean, for that to happen you'll have to od what I told the US Marshal to do: Pull your weapon and shoot but do not then expect death to stick. Shoot me, then I'll stop obeying the law and stop acting ethically. Then I told Supreme Court:

You could not get enough of me in 1776. nothing you have done, no argument you have made, has yet defeated me, as that argument or that ploy does not exist. I know the law beter than you and I can reason it and apply it as you cannot. nothing you have done has worked. It will never work. I can out argue you word for word if that is what you wish as my case never goes away as injury never ceases. I suggest you grant me oral argument, i order it, as only the truth of Bush V gore will set the people free and make the you whole as you have assaulted & Battered them they now believe unless you are seen on TV, or unless the Court grants you justice, then you are not a good case and so law. They actually believe if you deny me all I ask for then my case is bad or no good and so I am wrong. they do not know you do that to people to silence them. This privilege is not yours as you gave it away when you MURDERED Terry Schiavo as that claim was "I need justice so I want to kill an innocent woman". Your killing of innocent women? Via your passive refusal to accord them all of their liberty rights and order enforcement of the law a la Brown? It became active. It became murder as this court has never once been able to define life and death so it has not. IT IS ARBITRARY. I can and will and did define it and now, you do not want the people to know. John Roberts said he believed abortion was murder, that he truly believed this. So strongly he awarded the power to kill an innocent woman, blaming her for an act of God to MI. If it is an act of god but you blame her then she si God so yu're killing God. that or you are God. I met god so i know: you, roberts, were nowhere in sight. I prove to you life, thus personhood, begins at 28 days post implantation and support it with science, thus life begins and so the right exists. All rights come into being then. Women still have choice. Either you are lying about what you believe or you seek to use liberty rights, by picking and choosing law, which is then picking and choosing faith, and by changing the condition, for women only,
or you don't. So, are you unable or are you unwilling? Or do you just like all that unjust privilege you have not earned? Can I ask to have you killed? as you seem to need to have the experience I had. You might not return though. I can't gupromise you 'resurrecton' as it is not mine iot give away. Will John Roberts volunteer to die, as I did, in defense of the Constitution? Will he volunteer to die in defense of Bush v Gore? This court? A Justice? Me?

I myself will not volunteer to die in defense of this institution. EVER. I might volunteer to die in defense of Justices. I did volunter and will continue to do so in defense of myself and others who are ethical so just. You never needed to know I am Jefferson and I should never have been made to tell you a secret I planned on taking to my 'grave' as SUSAN alone is a constitutional reason and just cause. I told you now as this PROVES you silenced me unconstitutionally, by violating my rights as you broke the law and with deliberation, only as I appear to be a woman.

I guess we'll find out on November 5th IF they are going to obey the law rather than continue to violate it. how will you know if you have crooks, monsters, on the US Supreme Court? I said:

Either open the damn door so i can argue orally thus informing the people, or write the exact truth upon a piece of paper: "We are not wiling to accord this citizen alone, among all citizens ever, any protection of the law. thus, as the law does not ofer her any protection, it then does not find her." then you can buy me a plae ticket and get me a passport so I can leave this nation - for good. Like it or not my kids are coming with me so you'll have to unbuy all those unconstitutional decisions. It will not be difficult as NY admitted they never had any actual reason to 'award' them after being kidnapped to an unrelated man: NY appeals said 'other things were considered" to justify it but did not name one thing; it is not possible to do or be what NY will not name. I can't fight a charge they refuse to make. If what you want me to change is WOMAN, GENIUS or JEFFERSON that is never going to change. and none of that is a crime as you cannot legislate who 'reincarnates' or goes to 'hell'. I'm always gonna be this so I choose: Or else, as in else where.

So you know, as this decision was so easy to make, and as I'm in three courts who are SIMULTANEOUSLY hearing the same case with the some charges and NONE are obeying the law, all broke the law, I truly believe this is a plot to further confuse you as:

the Court wants you to HATE me if I am heard after you elect a guy who has admitted out loud he will not preserve, protect & defend the law on behalf of women unless you up his pay as he said it was "Above his paygrade" to answer when life begins. They are counting on you HATING me only as i can then, and will, unseat him as I know what he's hiding! They will then allow you to cry BLACK, as in he's black so it's about race. NO, IT IS ABOUT ABILITY, CAPABILITY, ETHICAL & WILLINGNESS. You can and may be black and still be all of those things. BARACK OBAMA ISN'T. I have him where I want him based on that comment alone. "Above my paygrade". But, who says you cannot know what his birth certificate actually says? That's easy to find out. all oyu have to do is locate a doctor or a nurse who was there or a friend who visited his mother in the hospital or saw her at home after he was born! Then, you know what his birth certificate says and if it was tampered with! I mean,

WHO, what kind of person, works that hard to keep his birth certificate secret? I sent for mine to see as I never saw mine. What is on his that's not on mine as mine says nothing supersecret? So I then acted: I reasoned and applied what "natural born" actually men as as we have never done that via official ruling. I already reasoned and applied the office of executive -President - as a right versus a privilege. He's got no right, as only mothers and veterans do. All the rest have a privilege. You must become it. Then, i began looking for witnesses who saw him born or who knew his parents or who visited his mom. Hidden intent and motivation is always realized in this world and his was. I know his exact REASON, his MOTIVE, for hiding that birth certificate. This is also about the truth, OBEYING THE LAW AS YOU'RE NOT THE EXCEPTION. YOU'RE UNETHICAL. A LIAR. BUY, BUY again in another nation as this office is not for sale as this is America and I am a power of one
 
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So, hell IS for Barack Obama.

So, hell IS for Barack Obama.

He told us he belived in it as he claimed to be a Christian and he claimed to be ethical.

I did not need to do all of this digging as you forced me to as you're all delusional, possessed of the temporary passion James Madsion warned me about. You're possessed! You do not - DO NOT - elect a person President when his own campaign director went on TV and said:

His first day in office he walked up to me and said, "So I hear you're the person i need to talk ot if I want to [buy] the President."

You don't buy it you become it - no money needed. NONE. I'm proof of that. It cost me zero dollars. The federal government even paid most of my costs - paper, ink, copies - when I do not pay taxes as its unconstitutional to levy them agaisnt me. I paid for postage.

When Obama then went agaisnt his word and so used private money to campaing all he did was admit THIS was his plan as it IS.

It happened; he never intended to keep his word. He has no honor.

His birth certificate PROVES IT if life is not real enough or proof enough for you. Proof is prof; what IS then IS. NOW.

If this were false, I would not be In Re Susan, case #08-6622. I'm blacker than Barack obama ever thought of being as I stole my examples from malcom X, King & Frederick Douglas as well as Thurgood Marshall. I'm Sojouner Truth & marcus Garvey, eve Dubois. They were my examples, some of them, so I became who I am:

American. Actual Americans do not go to Hell as they are possesed of an inviolate ethic & actual brotherly love. So I may not be seieing Barack Obama in my next or other life. Time is like law, it is sideways as it is all at once or down as the only place to go is up - in spirit. Stand down? The evidence proves that is the Big Crunch. It's all over the historical record of Earth. :D

P.S. God? God is all free too as now? Money is yet a condition when it should be a term as our only standard is justice - the law. Avoid any person charging for anything related to God. Be especially wary of New Age crap as it is very easy to twist the truth. You need no teacher or any money. I not once formally studied any religion other than the one I was born into and I still did what they - gurus or preachers or priests - can and did. Will is to grace as the horse is to the rider. That is fact! Sacrifice or giving of your own will is not suffering and is not force. Do not let any person coerce you into it or demand it. A gift is to be unconditional, as our law is, as it was a gift to us! ALL sacred knolwedge is a gift! Charge for it? you and Barack Obama can nhave lunch in the hell of your own choosing, lol.
 
Susan Constant, I'm going to ask you nicely again. Please create your own thread for these essay style posts so people don't have to trawl through them to keep on the topic other members are discussing.
 
well i'm sure that everybody here would be able to poke holes through what i'm about to say, but heres a few of the thoughts running through my head...about maybe proving that god doesn't exist, not through science or lack of proof, but by using the bible itself.

first i started thinking about satan, and how its interesting that he's forever doomed to live in hell, right? when in fact it was necessary in god's eternal plan that there had to be opposition, otherwise there would be no point in this life. so if satan literally HAD to be evil, is it just that he is forced to live in hell for eternity? which leads me to think: what if satan is in on this whole thing? it says in the bible that no unclean thing can be in the presence of god...so how could satan possibly have had the selfish thought of wanting the glory for himself? according to the bible satan could not have had any evil desires if he was in heaven with god. however, the bible also says that god cannot lie. but if god cannot lie, and satan could not have fallen, then we can conclude that the bible contradicts itself. the only way that god can die is if he ceased to be god. but if the bible contradicts itself then god DID lie, and he would cease to be god, therefore not existing.

maybe??
 
well i'm sure that everybody here would be able to poke holes through what i'm about to say, but heres a few of the thoughts running through my head...about maybe proving that god doesn't exist, not through science or lack of proof, but by using the bible itself.

first i started thinking about satan, and how its interesting that he's forever doomed to live in hell, right? when in fact it was necessary in god's eternal plan that there had to be opposition, otherwise there would be no point in this life. so if satan literally HAD to be evil, is it just that he is forced to live in hell for eternity? which leads me to think: what if satan is in on this whole thing? it says in the bible that no unclean thing can be in the presence of god...so how could satan possibly have had the selfish thought of wanting the glory for himself? according to the bible satan could not have had any evil desires if he was in heaven with god. however, the bible also says that god cannot lie. but if god cannot lie, and satan could not have fallen, then we can conclude that the bible contradicts itself. the only way that god can die is if he ceased to be god. but if the bible contradicts itself then god DID lie, and he would cease to be god, therefore not existing.

maybe??

I did find one hole with it thou Oct...
Its the same problem i see alot on this thread.. For a real scientist.. or hell just for anyone using logic in place of emotion to determine wether or not the possiblity of there being a god is high (( because really.. theres just no way to prove one way or the other with our current tech )) is that people use literal translations of relgious text instead of reasoning with the facts as we see them in the universe.

Example... While a book might contradict itself many times over because it might or might not be meant to be read in a certain way... Facts as they are with in the constuites in our preception of the unvierse are pretty much... universal.
Book says " and god looked upon the void and said let there be light , and there was.. and god saw that it was good ((close but not exactly ))" could mean a variety of things.. the fact that we also have a cooresponding "Big Bang Theory" could in fact be merely conceidence or could be spot on for what they entended to push across.. However .. this completely removes the fact that the theory .. regardless of the text of the bible to possibly add to it.. is a SPECTACULAR event regardless.. so massive in its scope .. it should easily be a arguing point for any creationist. However people scue the fact that its some how irrelevant to the discussion, rather needing some form of earthy sign to coorespond with this amazing theory.

Needless to say.. toss all religous pretext and pratices out the door when discussing this.. and look for the unfathomable possiblites that exist in reality that is viewable in the now.

If super massive black holes in all their complexity and massiveness don't completely floor you and hint at the possiblity of a grand underlying archithecture that binds us all... well .. then I think your ethier being close-minded or possibly blinded by austistic paradigms.
 
haha wow! you're good, i really just wanted to put that out there to get others' thoughts on it, i allready know my logic is fallible, and don't get me wrong, i come from a die-hard christian family and upbringing, but this was just on my mind.

I think you're right, there has to be some corellation between us and the rest of the universe. Black holes do indeed awe me, in fact, i know there are some religious theories that say that black holes are what separate us from heaven, or something crazy like that. some christians believe that god was once like us, and that we have the ability to become gods also, which would indicate that there are other gods out there, but we just have one in our little universe, so i've heard that each galaxy is supposed to be a god's universe, and that the black hole in the middle of each galaxy is supposed to be the barrier that separates "heaven". now idk if i believe it or not, it seems kindof shady logic but i thought it sure was interesting.
 
haha wow! you're good, i really just wanted to put that out there to get others' thoughts on it, i allready know my logic is fallible, and don't get me wrong, i come from a die-hard christian family and upbringing, but this was just on my mind.

I think you're right, there has to be some corellation between us and the rest of the universe. Black holes do indeed awe me, in fact, i know there are some religious theories that say that black holes are what separate us from heaven, or something crazy like that. some christians believe that god was once like us, and that we have the ability to become gods also, which would indicate that there are other gods out there, but we just have one in our little universe, so i've heard that each galaxy is supposed to be a god's universe, and that the black hole in the middle of each galaxy is supposed to be the barrier that separates "heaven". now idk if i believe it or not, it seems kindof shady logic but i thought it sure was interesting.

Indeed... and I believe that is the inhiert problem with debating something like.. nothing is truly an absolute within this conversation piece except for one thing...
" You get to find out everything when you die!!!"
At least... we can all hope...

However.. given all the possiblities out there.. i Myself choose to see the natural beauty within all things.. that the huge volume of information coursing and making its way thru the universe is all the proof that I need to sustain attacks attempting to strike down my view point...

Honestly... anyway you slice it.. ethier you are playing word games with religous text to prove or disprove... applying logic to the unseen is just silly.

I.E. Say.. an athiest or philosopher would state
Is it possible that god could create a rock that is so large that even he could not pick it up.
This is a play on words and trying to define limitations on god which would immedtially show god as false.

I say... yes .. he can.. any rock that god creates would in a sense be to large for him to lift because he his not a physical being :P god could simply create a human to pick it up for him and Blamo.. delima solved :)

Think outside the box :)
 
If super massive black holes in all their complexity and massiveness don't completely floor you and hint at the possiblity of a grand underlying archithecture that binds us all... well .. then I think your ethier being close-minded or possibly blinded by austistic paradigms.
Yes, black holes along with the complexities of quantum mechanics, relativity, quarks; and everything starting with a big bang -- it's truly amazing. Let's define God to be that entity which underlies the origin of the universe. However it should not inspire a lot of discussion because it is too remote and abstract to think about. There is little basis for any further thought. Studying physics becomes the only meaningful liturgy.

So, define God as the first cause -- why not. So what. To think that the same entity that brought the universe into being would micromanage our lives and care about prayer and adoration requires a real leap of faith, so to speak.
 
Indeed... and I believe that is the inhiert problem with debating something like.. nothing is truly an absolute within this conversation piece except for one thing...
" You get to find out everything when you die!!!"
At least... we can all hope...

However.. given all the possiblities out there.. i Myself choose to see the natural beauty within all things.. that the huge volume of information coursing and making its way thru the universe is all the proof that I need to sustain attacks attempting to strike down my view point...

Honestly... anyway you slice it.. ethier you are playing word games with religous text to prove or disprove... applying logic to the unseen is just silly.

I.E. Say.. an athiest or philosopher would state
Is it possible that god could create a rock that is so large that even he could not pick it up.
This is a play on words and trying to define limitations on god which would immedtially show god as false.

I say... yes .. he can.. any rock that god creates would in a sense be to large for him to lift because he his not a physical being :P god could simply create a human to pick it up for him and Blamo.. delima solved :)

Think outside the box :)

The omnipotence paradox is actually a fallacy of self-negation. Personally, I think that god can indeed create a rock he cannot lift and then proceeds to lift it anyway. After all, the creator of logic isn't necessarily bound by it, no?
 
The omnipotence paradox is actually a fallacy of self-negation. Personally, I think that god can indeed create a rock he cannot lift and then proceeds to lift it anyway. After all, the creator of logic isn't necessarily bound by it, no?

exactly .. to try and define god by the laws that govern us who are forced to be bound within the physical laws of the universe is just silly...

If we contend that god create all the laws themselves then he must be able to bend or break them at his will...

It is the exact reason while thou i believe their is a higher power,... the pill called christianity is very hard to swallow...

Again not downing on christianity.. just pointing out the obvious LoL
 
The omnipotence paradox is actually a fallacy of self-negation. Personally, I think that god can indeed create a rock he cannot lift and then proceeds to lift it anyway. After all, the creator of logic isn't necessarily bound by it, no?

I tend to think that the creator of logic remains logical just so that He can remain true to Himself.

But you bring up a good point about the absoluteness of logic. Why do we imagine that logic is absolutely always true? There are paradoxes out there that rely on no wrong understanding of logic, do not describe things we don't understand and yet remain a paradox. Any real paradox is just an example of the failing of logic to be logical.
 
exactly .. to try and define god by the laws that govern us who are forced to be bound within the physical laws of the universe is just silly...

If we contend that god create all the laws themselves then he must be able to bend or break them at his will...

It is the exact reason while thou i believe their is a higher power,... the pill called christianity is very hard to swallow...

Again not downing on christianity.. just pointing out the obvious LoL

And what exactly about christianity is so hard to swallow, eh?

Personally, the premises of m-theory or loop quantum gravity is harder. In fact, they are patently COUNTER-INTUITIVE. I mean, honestly, can you even imagine 'reality' having 11 dimensions???!!! One can imagine going left/right (1), forward/backward (2), up/down (3), before/after (4). Where the hell do the other 7 dimensions go, hmmm?

Or is that obvious as well?
 
I tend to think that the creator of logic remains logical just so that He can remain true to Himself.

But you bring up a good point about the absoluteness of logic. Why do we imagine that logic is absolutely always true? There are paradoxes out there that rely on no wrong understanding of logic, do not describe things we don't understand and yet remain a paradox. Any real paradox is just an example of the failing of logic to be logical.

I'd like to think of paradoxes as the limits of human logic rather than a failing.
 
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I tend to think that the creator of logic remains logical just so that He can remain true to Himself.

But you bring up a good point about the absoluteness of logic. Why do we imagine that logic is absolutely always true? There are paradoxes out there that rely on no wrong understanding of logic, do not describe things we don't understand and yet remain a paradox. Any real paradox is just an example of the failing of logic to be logical.

While it is true that it takes a strong imagination to envision these other dimesions.. remeber that these extra ones are curled up in on themselves.. so tightly that it is imposssible with currently techonoledgy to see them at all.. but .. just like in god .. we have faith they are there..
Also .. M- theory is not hipocritcal of itself unlike certain passages in the bible .. and the theory is also trying to confrom itself to the reality that we see while christianity inheriantly asks that you conform yourself to it to view true reality.
Again not downing on christianity .. but i am saying that it does not fill the entire void of knowledge that people need in this new day and age.
 
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