Prove that God doesn't exist.

Does God exist?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 63 59.4%
  • No.

    Votes: 44 41.5%

  • Total voters
    106
why should/shouldn't God/religion play a part in politics???

Maybe because He supposedly gave us the ability to reason, and would like us to use it?

Let's say there is a God, and that He should get involved in politics. What methods should God use in His political intervention and for whom? If it's not what you would want, Would it change your belief system?
 
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Maybe because He supposedly gave us the ability to reason, and would like us to use it?

Let's say there is a God, and that He should get involved in politics. What methods should God use in His political intervention and for whom? If it's not what you would want, Would it change your belief system?


How could "god" be involved in politics and still remain fair and neutral. ?? One can just imagine how the .......for eg..... current two parties in the US would use this..........


Politics are convoluted enough , without involving the god factor.
 
HALF of that comment is accurate and can be proven. It is that MAN created religion. All one has to do is trace a path into history and see how "religion(S) " evolved.

And the other half may also be accurate, but can't be proven. Neither can it be disproven.

Mankind seems to have NEEDED some kind of uneartlhy entity since he started walking upright and using a form of "reason". He used "god" to explain away things he did not understand ....yet or had not figured out mathematically/ scientifically ......yet.

Exactly. As I said, it was man who created religion. Voltaire was right many years ago. However, mankind is never going to figure out everything scientifically. Some things simply can't be proven by the scientific method. We can explain how life was created, for example, but not why. And the more we learn, the more we realize that we don't know everything.

Man HAS evolved to the point of examining this god issue as being something ..... an element ..... WITHIN not only mankind , but in all living and non "living " creatures.

Personally, I think the FEAR factor in god/ religion is what has made this so tenacious as people have been brainwashed to fear the wrath of god. And there is NOTHING more powerful in controlling a persons mind.....then fear of an unseen element.

Yes, religion has a way of controlling people, and is likely one reason it was invented.

And yes, god is an element within mankind and all living creatures.

( works with terrorism too. Terrorists are at least visible ........when and if found........ but the ism is a prime tool..... to control a population. Same principle ~ )

Perhaps too, it is those powerful moments of joy, be it about the wondrous nature around us , or a long wished for event ...... that evoke a feeling of such AWE and INSPIRATION......that folks name this phenomena / moments a "spiritual " experience ...... having no other words to describe it or categorize it.


The reality is , that the more science , math & psychology too explains about the current unknowns , the less mankind will need to rely on such abstract entities that cannot be proven one way or another.

And the more math, science, and psychology teach us, the more we realize we don't know.

the bottom line is.............folks are entitled to believe whatever they want...... where ever they live etc etc. BUT..... they are NOT entitled to impose their beliefs on anyone else. Or to shun any belief that is different from theirs. No "belief" is better or worse than another,...........it is just DIFFERENT.



Exactly right. No one should have a right to impose their belief system on anyone else. That's why freedom of religion is so important.

I know of children that are growing up in a non relgious environment and they are secure, grounded and realistic. The significant factor is that they are NOT afraid of some unseen entity, or afraid of being punished by some "god"..... that they can't see. They have a sound ethical and "moral" upbringing... are learning what is humane and what is destructive to others.

Yes, that's so, and there are other children who are growing up grounded in religion who are also secure and realistic. It all depends on the religion, and whether or not it instills fear into its believers. It is not god people fear, but the religion they espouse.
 
The existence of something does not imply a creator.

That is fallacious reasoning of the type that is commonly used by Christians.

It is also spectaculalrly hypocritical as with the idea of god the question is just then shifted to what created god.

The usual get out of jail card is that god has always been there.

It is a lot more reasonable to say that energy has always existed as we at least have evidence of its existence now

But if a creator was implied there is no evidenmce whatsoever to indicate that it is god.

And as for god, here's one for you.

If god is omniscient he kn ows everything that will happen in the future. Therefore he can't be omnipotent because he can't change it.


Evolution is not a kind of design because design pre-supposes an intent i.e a change brought about for a specific purpose.

Evolution is the result of genetic accidents that happen to benefit the recipient from a survival perpsective.
 
The existence of something does not imply a creator.
.....but for something to exist there must have been a dynamic that created it which as I said earlier you could define as "nature". "Mother nature" appears in many ancient and indeed modern cultures as synonymous with "god" thus as I said God could be defined as nature; by implication we know nature surrounds us, defines us and indeed controls us.

Thus you could argue that God exists! ;)
 
That is nothing more than the vacuous point that you could call anything god.

It is nothing like what people really mean when they uise the term
 
Arguments for god's existence

1) You can't prove he doesn't exist.

2) There had to be something to start it all off.

If that is the best that Christians have maybe they should do what I did after a childhood of being brainwashed to believe in god.

Think for yourself.

It does not add up and those earguments are worthless.

You can't disprove the existence of anything so this argumenmt confers the same legitimacy on the existence of fairies and father xmas as it does on god.

Who knows how it all started? You don't just make up an answer. And even if there is a supernatural force behind it all there is no evidence to say it is the god of the christian faith.
 
God is the most perfect being.
It is more perfect to exist than to not exist.
If god did not exist, then god would lack a perfect existence.
Therefore, god exists.

There you go, proof of the existence of god. Dawkinsrocks can't apply that to Santa Clause or the tooth fairy, since neither of them has to be perfect. I'll bet no one can dispute that reasoning without resorting to changing the argument from the non existence of god to the validity of religion.
 
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Arguments for god's existence

1) You can't prove he doesn't exist.

2) There had to be something to start it all off.

If that is the best that Christians have maybe they should do what I did after a childhood of being brainwashed to believe in god.

Think for yourself.

It does not add up and those earguments are worthless.

You can't disprove the existence of anything so this argumenmt confers the same legitimacy on the existence of fairies and father xmas as it does on god.

Who knows how it all started? You don't just make up an answer. And even if there is a supernatural force behind it all there is no evidence to say it is the god of the christian faith.


Absoutely spot on. Science will eventually find out how it all began. IF it began . Providing the religious fanatics don't impede scientific discovery with their "beliefs" and condemnations.


The FACT is that NO ONE KNOWS . Some are happy to follow what they have been told in their formative years without questioning it. These are the "followers" in the world. Others question , research, THINK , analyse, and explore with an open/ receptive mind. as new data is made available...... they review it carefully . They don't take things on faith or face value. And good for them.........as THESE are the true explorers of life, the world around them and the biggest contributers to human progress.

And there definately is NOT just one "god" ....... as it all depends on where one was born and where one was brainwashed.

Now, is there some energy form that is integral to creation , (& destruction) that fascilitates "life" (all) time and momentum??? It is possible. Until it can be defined and isolated as an entity........it remains a "belief" or a myth.

believing something does not make it fact.
 
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