If we are god's children, as the Christian philosophy teaches, then there must be at least two gods, one male and one female.
Unless, of course, you picture god undergoing asexual reproduction, like an amoeba.
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If we are god's children, as the Christian philosophy teaches, then there must be at least two gods, one male and one female.
Unless, of course, you picture god undergoing asexual reproduction, like an amoeba.
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Dawkinsrocks
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And if we are all god's children why is he happy for large numbers of us to spend eternity being burned for not thinking the right thoughts.
I think that probably constitutes child abuse don't you?
I think that probably constitutes child abuse don't you?
Dawkinsrocks
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No it isn't.
Plenty of fundamentalist protestants believe that some people will go to hell and burn forever.
Plenty of fundamentalist protestants believe that some people will go to hell and burn forever.
Dawkinsrocks
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Is that suppoed to be a response to my post?
It sounds like you don't have an answer so you are making up some a series of non-sequitirs.
Mind you, you have to be a big fan of non-sequitirs to believe in god so I shouldn't be surprised
It sounds like you don't have an answer so you are making up some a series of non-sequitirs.
Mind you, you have to be a big fan of non-sequitirs to believe in god so I shouldn't be surprised
The answer to your post was learn your history. Your remark about Protestants is akin to a child going off on its own but still taking some values from its parent. That parent was the religious freedom given by Constantine, and the parent's name became the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church was the chicken honey, and it laid a bunch of eggs.
Dawkinsrocks
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Are you ok?
It is just a plain fact that there are many flavours of christianity (though god knows why ha ha) and many of them including Roman Catholicism (if you have done your history honey) and Protestantism believe in eternal damnation for those who don't think the right way.
So if god does exist and we are his children he sure knows how to discipline those who don't do as they are told.
Bit like the Nazis really only on a much greater scale and for wayyyyyyyyy longer.
It is just a plain fact that there are many flavours of christianity (though god knows why ha ha) and many of them including Roman Catholicism (if you have done your history honey) and Protestantism believe in eternal damnation for those who don't think the right way.
So if god does exist and we are his children he sure knows how to discipline those who don't do as they are told.
Bit like the Nazis really only on a much greater scale and for wayyyyyyyyy longer.
Why do you insist on equating the Bible to faith? So what if the Protestants believe in eternal damnation? Are you saying that to believe in God you have to believe that everything a church dictates as a sin is in fact a sin? If the church says it, then if you believe in God you must accept it? It doesn't work that way. Religion= apple. Faith= orange.
Reason for so many branches of the Christian church? It seems a lot of people read the same words from the same book and interpreted them differently.. hmmm Maybe religious people need a version of their beliefs that fits in with their desires in life. If you simply have faith in a higher being, what's the point of all the rest?
Maybe one can choose to follow the message of Jesus because, hey, it was a good message. He didn't demand it at the end of sword. In my mind, a better choice than another one. Did Jesus personally dictate the tenets of the church that came to call itself Christian? Were those that put together the books of the Bible led by the hand of God? If someone can prove THAT, then the parables might become more than just that. It was a way of speaking in ancient times, y'know, parables.
Does faith in God present the same threat to you as the Nazis?
Reason for so many branches of the Christian church? It seems a lot of people read the same words from the same book and interpreted them differently.. hmmm Maybe religious people need a version of their beliefs that fits in with their desires in life. If you simply have faith in a higher being, what's the point of all the rest?
Maybe one can choose to follow the message of Jesus because, hey, it was a good message. He didn't demand it at the end of sword. In my mind, a better choice than another one. Did Jesus personally dictate the tenets of the church that came to call itself Christian? Were those that put together the books of the Bible led by the hand of God? If someone can prove THAT, then the parables might become more than just that. It was a way of speaking in ancient times, y'know, parables.
Does faith in God present the same threat to you as the Nazis?
Dawkinsrocks
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Erm doesn't it talk about eternal damnation in the bible?
And here's the thing I love about the bible.
Either you believe it is literal which means you are crazy OR you believe it is to be interpreted which makes it impossible to know which interpretations is the right one which means you are thwarted.
Either way...
It's bollocks
And here's the thing I love about the bible.
Either you believe it is literal which means you are crazy OR you believe it is to be interpreted which makes it impossible to know which interpretations is the right one which means you are thwarted.
Either way...
It's bollocks
the bible is a valuable historical documenation of life ages ago , and it also gives some people a reason to blame everything on somebody else. If one believes that knowing the bible makes them of purer heart in God's eyes, then I will go along with your delusional theory. But to say that God doesn't exist because parables in the bible are questionable is just too judgmental, condescending and unnecessary. It's like saying that someone with an education is always and automatically smarter than someone who has none. Half of the people I went to college with (quite a few years ago) couldn't find their way out of a paper bag with written instructions, but could fake it well. I'm certain that the primary reason most believe in God or a higher being is totally because of mankind.
Man doesn't have what it takes to create beauty that is pure and simple and lasting. He's had thousands of years, ain't happened. He destroys. The hope that there is something else, something better, is what has kept people hopeful for millenia. The hope that there is something that will protect or avenge them from the evil of other human beings. "Hope" It's not quite the same as being a Nazi.
Man doesn't have what it takes to create beauty that is pure and simple and lasting. He's had thousands of years, ain't happened. He destroys. The hope that there is something else, something better, is what has kept people hopeful for millenia. The hope that there is something that will protect or avenge them from the evil of other human beings. "Hope" It's not quite the same as being a Nazi.
Dawkinsrocks
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No no no.
Here is the argument.
There is no credible evidence for the existence of god and citing a book of fables and allegories that could be interpreted in many ways as evidence is contemptible.
Here is the argument.
There is no credible evidence for the existence of god and citing a book of fables and allegories that could be interpreted in many ways as evidence is contemptible.
But you're the one who equating the bible with belief. Are you absolutely certain that your spouse has never cheated on you, or do you just have faith in it? Are you saying that you have never had "faith" in anything in your life? Were you being contemptible? You believed words that someone might have blown out of their ass.
Actually, if there is no God, then we are not all equal in having the right to exist, because some of us that evolved from that little chaotic bacteria pool didn't do it as well. Man and science definitely believe in the survival of the fittest theory, so the only way to clean up this world is for man to eliminate. Who goes? Who gets to make that decision? Why not me?
Actually, if there is no God, then we are not all equal in having the right to exist, because some of us that evolved from that little chaotic bacteria pool didn't do it as well. Man and science definitely believe in the survival of the fittest theory, so the only way to clean up this world is for man to eliminate. Who goes? Who gets to make that decision? Why not me?
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Dawkinsrocks
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So you accept that the bible is not evidence.
So far so good.
Now what I said was contemptible was citing a work of clear fiction as evidence.
Believing stuff for which there is no evidence is something an enquiring mind grows out of when it leaves early childhood.
So far so good.
Now what I said was contemptible was citing a work of clear fiction as evidence.
Believing stuff for which there is no evidence is something an enquiring mind grows out of when it leaves early childhood.
