Prove that God doesn't exist.

[bododie]

Evolution has another name: Mutation. Again, I ask those who believe only in evolution. How did bacteria evolve to humanity? Without proof positive this theory is equally fallible to faith, and you don't have the proof.

 

[Dr.Who]

And what sort of evidence do you need?

Well I have already asked him numerous times if he would believe in the face of the the testimony of his own eyes and he refuses to answer.

Should we assume that he would not believe even if he saw God with his own eyes? Then obviously no evidence at all will ever be credible in his view.

 

[Dr.Who]

The impossibility of proving non-existence is taken by many christians as proof of existence in the case of god.

I would be willing to bet that he could not provide a single example of a christian on this board who has used the impossibility of proving non-existence as proof of existence.

He and I have discussed proof of non-existence ad nauseum and my point has steadily been that since non-existence cannot be proven it is ridiculous for empiricists to make any claims that God does not exist.

I do think progress has been made now that the strongest claim he has made recently is:

"I am happy in the knowledge that there is not a shred of credible evidence for his existence and to, use normal parlence, to say he does not exist."

 

[dahermit]

As Dr. Who has stated, the only evidence that God exists is the believability of those who profess to have been touched by God.

Following that logic, Bentwood England U.S. Air force Base. An Airman, a Sargent of Guards, an officer (Lt. Colonial I think), stated that not only had they observed a UFO outside the gates of the Air Base, but stated and entered in the official record that the office touched the "skin" of the craft and determined that it was warm to the touch.

Given that fact that there were three Air Force personnel involved (not likely a hallucination), not likely a hoax, not likely made up, inasmuch as they entered it into the official log book and were subject to military discipline for entering fictitious material. This incident, including the Belgian police sighting, etc., etc., by persons of recognized responsibility, I have concluded that there are indeed UFOs.

Now for Christians testifying to a significant connection to a God, I find that they are less convincing (many appear to be somewhat simple minded), and would appear to be responding to sociological reinforcement of the manifest delusion.

In other words, it seems that there is better evidence (quality of the testimony) for the existence of UFOs than for the existence of God.

 

[bododie]

Faith in God does not need a "significant connection" to have occured. However, to even discuss the possibility of His existence, you would probably need to think outside the box of everything that man knows to be "real". Of course, if that is all you know, as is the case with humans, then anything outside that box is a leap of faith.

I'm glad you have faith in humans and their motivations. I guess people don't lie out of greed, fear, coercion, whatever. And records of any kind would, and have, never been altered for reasons that you couldn't fathom. How wonderful mankind has proven himself to be. Dare I say, omniscient?

All I want to know is this, and not one evolutionist here has offered an answer: If life evolved from oceanic bacteria, as the "very wise men" of today seem to think, what kind of mutation could have taken place that ultimately allowed me to give birth? Now use your science. Do you really believe that anyone will ever know the answer to that? What makes that so different than never knowing for sure, that there is a God?
Just curious.

 

[numinus]

As Dr. Who has stated, the only evidence that God exists is the believability of those who profess to have been touched by God.

Following that logic, Bentwood England U.S. Air force Base. An Airman, a Sargent of Guards, an officer (Lt. Colonial I think), stated that not only had they observed a UFO outside the gates of the Air Base, but stated and entered in the official record that the office touched the "skin" of the craft and determined that it was warm to the touch.

Given that fact that there were three Air Force personnel involved (not likely a hallucination), not likely a hoax, not likely made up, inasmuch as they entered it into the official log book and were subject to military discipline for entering fictitious material. This incident, including the Belgian police sighting, etc., etc., by persons of recognized responsibility, I have concluded that there are indeed UFOs.

Now for Christians testifying to a significant connection to a God, I find that they are less convincing (many appear to be somewhat simple minded), and would appear to be responding to sociological reinforcement of the manifest delusion.

In other words, it seems that there is better evidence (quality of the testimony) for the existence of UFOs than for the existence of God.

When a witness swears 'to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me god', does he not, in fact, enter god's existence as evidence in a court of law? An evidence that is largely uncontested?

There is actually more 'evidence' for god's existence than a ufo.

Duh?

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

The argument on this thread basically says that the statement 'xyz does not exist' cannot be legitimately used.

And yet people use it all the time.

For normal parlence it means there isn't nor has there been nor is remotely likely that there will ever be credible evidence of existence of xyz.

God fits this bill perfectly and having a life-style belief system based on anything that fits this bill is just ridiculous.

Adults should have put away such childish things.

 

[bododie]

Adults should have put away such childish things.

drinking beer is childish. football is childish.

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

A lot less so than inventing an imaginary friend and then singing to him every Sunday telling him how worthless you are and how great he is.

Actually, when you think of it like that it is very clearly insanity.

 

[bododie]

When are you going to get it through your head that what you are professing to be faith is in fact religion, sets of rules set down by men. Don't worry. You can still have faith in God, and watch your favorite football players pinch each other's butts on Sunday. It's o.k.

You do present a good case of how not everyone "evolved" equally though. Lol.

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

Interesting view from someone who has to make up an imaginary friend to make all those nasty hard questions go away.

Also, I note the usual christian charity in your response.

I assume your mention of butts is your interpretation of turning the other cheek.

Are you a roman catholic priest?

 

[bododie]

Harldy. Catholicism is the baby of Constantine, doll, another man who probably liked men pinching his butt! And no, the butt remark is more indicative of "fraternity or maybe some other carnal pleasure", not cheek turning. If you slap me, I will knock your head off, or simply dismiss you, I won't let you do it again. What you take as "Christian charity" is simply not wanting to get booted off of this board for saying what I would like to say!

I definitely do not love or respect everyone simply because they are breathing, so I guess "good Christian" is out of the picture here. Faith in God and a religious label are different thought processes. My faith/hope that there is something better than mankind does not eradicate common sense, my education, or survival instinct.

I Just don't think that we evolved from a puddle of pond scum, that's all.

Man has been asking this question for thousands of years. Look how far we've some intellectually. Apparently he ain't smart enough to figure it out. Well, except for you of course.

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

Oh I see, it's the 'I don't like it so it can't be true approach'.

Probably a forerunner of the fingers in the ears going la la la argument

I do wish you American's could keep your kick'ass talk in check.

You are all so tough from a distance.

 

[bododie]

Oh I see, it's the 'I don't like it so it can't be true approach'.

No different than your attitude. Oh yeah, we're tough in your face too! I'm not the one who is too cowardly to even state where I am. Is third world life tough for you?

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

No I don't think 'what do I want to be true?' and then just believe it irrespective of the evidence.

I do realise that a lot of religious people do do this though because they want there to be an afterlife.

What I do is ask questions and then go and look at prosective answers to see which is the most credible.

You should try it.

Rather than be one of the stupid masses who believe in astrology, religion, the supernatural, mind reading, spiritualism, fortune telling and all the other crap that lots of people want to be true but isn't.