Prove that God doesn't exist.

[9sublime]

And I take it that you 'understand' the paradoxes that scientific inquiries ultimately result in, eh?

Please illuminate us with your 'understanding'.

Without meaning to make myself look stupid... what do you mean?

 

[numinus]

Without meaning to make myself look stupid... what do you mean?

I am merely pointing out that it is not religion's fault you don't understand.

I am also curious if you actually know what science says regarding cosmology, making your incapacity to understand religion an aggravating circumstance on its part.

 

[9sublime]

Why are you dragging cosmology into my point? My point is that the Bible has to be one of the most unreliable texts ever written. I was never taking what is in the Bible and questioning wether it is scientifically accurate/possible etc, but instead saying that what is written in the modern bible is very different from what the disciples first wrote.

 

[numinus]

Why are you dragging cosmology into my point? My point is that the Bible has to be one of the most unreliable texts ever written. I was never taking what is in the Bible and questioning wether it is scientifically accurate/possible etc, but instead saying that what is written in the modern bible is very different from what the disciples first wrote.

Is there any reason for it not to be that way.

After all, they are accounts of various individuals' experiences of a single and immutable truth.

 

[ArmChair General]

there is absolutely ZERO evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ. Thats a fact.

 

[USMC the Almighty]

there is absolutely ZERO evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ. Thats a fact.

Well it's hard to provide solid evidence that anyone lived 2000 years ago. Ultimately, it all comes down to word of mouth and whether or not you choose to have faith.

 

[PLC1]

there is absolutely ZERO evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ. Thats a fact.

But it still doesn't prove that god doesn't exist. The challenge in the title of this thread has never been met. No one has proven that god doesn't exist.

Back a few posts, I challenged anyone who wanted to to prove that I'm not god. No one was even able to do that.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

Physics involves inquiry in phenomena that has the basic and measurable quantities of mass/energy, space, and time.

If a phenomenon has NO measurable mass/energy, space (linear dimension) and time, then it has no business saying anything about such a phenomenon, no?

But some branches of theoretical physics (cosmology, quantum mechanics, particle physics) is doing just that.

And since all these things are merely propositions, and not fact, then there really isn't any reason to suppose that they are any better than the inquiries of philosophy and theology, is there?

Just because we cannot at THIS moment measure the mass/energy/whatever doesn't mean that it isn't there to be measured. It's a process of discovery. Philosophy is also a journey of discovery. Theology doesn't appear to be for most of the religious folks I've run across, almost all of them claim to already be in possession of God's Ultimate Truth--no process of discovery there, huh?

So, Numi, why you arguing religion now when you are eschewing it on the homosexual thread? I suspected that you were a religious person flying stealth on the homosexual thread, but you indicated that wasn't true--which is it Numi?

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

Is there any reason for it not to be that way.

After all, they are accounts of various individuals' experiences of a single and immutable truth.

So are you really saying that the Bible is just a series of subjective accounts of something that happened and therefore not necessarily true in any objective sense? These are just what people thought they saw or heard as best they can remember it years later when they wrote it down.

Does this imply that the revisions of the Bible down through history are also just subjective accounts of someone's experiences derived from reading someone's subjective account of something that happened hundreds or thousands of years ago? How does one give any credibility that kind of conglomeration of stuff?

Has the "single, immutable truth" been lost in translation? If not what is it, please?

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

Well it's hard to provide solid evidence that anyone lived 2000 years ago. Ultimately, it all comes down to word of mouth and whether or not you choose to have faith.

I've never met a Marine that had much "faith" in old myths, most of them were pretty solid, "check your own equiment and don't rely on someone else's word for the ammo in the magazine" kind of people.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

But it still doesn't prove that god doesn't exist. The challenge in the title of this thread has never been met. No one has proven that god doesn't exist.

Back a few posts, I challenged anyone who wanted to to prove that I'm not god. No one was even able to do that.

Why don't you regenerate all the lost limbs of all the crippled folks on Earth, God never has done that and because You haven't, people have come to believe that You hate people who have lost limbs. Is it true? No prayer for regenerating a lost limb has ever been answered, why?

Ultimately, one cannot prove a negative. The thread title is ridiculous, it would be far better to have PROVE THAT GOD EXISTS and thus put the onus on the believers to show cause.

 

[USMC the Almighty]

I've never met a Marine that had much "faith" in old myths, most of them were pretty solid, "check your own equiment and don't rely on someone else's word for the ammo in the magazine" kind of people.

These are two entirely different scenarios. Most Marines are indeed very religious but out in the field, we live by the Reagan motto of "trust but verify".

 

[vyo476]

These are two entirely different scenarios. Most Marines are indeed very religious but out in the field, we live by the Reagan motto of "trust but verify".

Those are words to live by anywhere, really.

 

[r0beph]

I can prove that God exists.




For those with undeniable faith in God he is absolute and exists. While this doesn't directly effect those who do not believe any more than Vishnu effects a Christian, nonetheless God does exist for those people. The special virtue that all religions contain is that they're based on faith and the existence of something unverifiable as well as impossible to disprove. As such believing creates these Gods of all religions as real and tangible to those who believe as my glass of diet cola is to me.

Now the question can one prove to someone else the existence of any deity....no. That is inherent and simply why it IS faith.

 

[numinus]

Just because we cannot at THIS moment measure the mass/energy/whatever doesn't mean that it isn't there to be measured. It's a process of discovery. Philosophy is also a journey of discovery. Theology doesn't appear to be for most of the religious folks I've run across, almost all of them claim to already be in possession of God's Ultimate Truth--no process of discovery there, huh?

NO, NO, NO.

Special and general relativity states that the quantities of mass, length and time are relative. They are functions of the speed of one's reference frame and gravity.

The limits for which the equations are true approaches what is known as a space-time singularity. Such a thing has NO VOLUME, INFINITE MASS/DENSITY, AND INFINITELY LONG TIME INTERVAL, HENCE NO TIME.

ABSOLUTELY no quantity that is definable nor measureable in the physical sciences. Simply put, physical cosmology says that EVERYTHING CAME FROM NOTHING.

What the hell is that if not CREATION, eh?

So, Numi, why you arguing religion now when you are eschewing it on the homosexual thread? I suspected that you were a religious person flying stealth on the homosexual thread, but you indicated that wasn't true--which is it Numi?

What religion exactly am I arguing for, eh?