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For those who believe the important issue is the theoretical majority of "peacefull muslims"; consider this:
THE PEACEFUL MUSLIM
A man whose family was part of the German aristocracy prior to World War Two owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave should guide our attitude toward Islamic fanaticism.
“Very few people were true Nazis "he said," but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come. My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories."
We are told again and again by "experts" and "talking heads" that Islam is the religion of peace, and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the specter of Islamic fanaticm rampaging across the globe. The fact of the matter is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history.
It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide.
It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent of Africa, in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honor kill.. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously stone, behead and shoot homosexuals and rape victims.
The hard quantifiable fact is that the "peaceful majority" the "silent majority" of Muslims is cowed and extraneous.
Communist Russia was comprised of a peaceful majority of Russians who just wanted to live in peace. Yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. China's huge population was peaceful as well, but the Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.
The average Japanese individual prior to World War 2 was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel and bayonet.
And, who can forget Rwanda, which collapsed into butchery. Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were "peace loving"? Of course!
This history lesson is incredibly simple and blunt! Yet for all our powers of reason we are missing the most basic and uncomplicated of points: THE PEACE-LOVING MUSLIMS HAVE BEEN MADE IRRELEVANT BY THEIR SILENCE.
Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up, because like my friend from Germany, they will awake one day and find that the fanatics own them and the end of their world has come.
Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late.
WASHINGTON - One in four younger U.S. Muslims say suicide bombings to defend their religion are acceptable at least in some circumstances, though most Muslim Americans overwhelmingly reject the tactic and are critical of Islamic extremism and al-Qaida, a poll says
One in four believe that suicide bombing is OK and the press reports happily that "most" muslims reject suicide bombings. If a survey found that one in four Christians supported bombing abortion clinics and killing abortion doctors and their staff, do you believe for a second that the headline would be proclaiming that most Christians reject abortion clinic bombing?
THE PEACEFUL MUSLIM
A man whose family was part of the German aristocracy prior to World War Two owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave should guide our attitude toward Islamic fanaticism.
“Very few people were true Nazis "he said," but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come. My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories."
We are told again and again by "experts" and "talking heads" that Islam is the religion of peace, and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the specter of Islamic fanaticm rampaging across the globe. The fact of the matter is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history.
It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide.
It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent of Africa, in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honor kill.. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously stone, behead and shoot homosexuals and rape victims.
The hard quantifiable fact is that the "peaceful majority" the "silent majority" of Muslims is cowed and extraneous.
Communist Russia was comprised of a peaceful majority of Russians who just wanted to live in peace. Yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. China's huge population was peaceful as well, but the Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.
The average Japanese individual prior to World War 2 was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel and bayonet.
And, who can forget Rwanda, which collapsed into butchery. Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were "peace loving"? Of course!
This history lesson is incredibly simple and blunt! Yet for all our powers of reason we are missing the most basic and uncomplicated of points: THE PEACE-LOVING MUSLIMS HAVE BEEN MADE IRRELEVANT BY THEIR SILENCE.
Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up, because like my friend from Germany, they will awake one day and find that the fanatics own them and the end of their world has come.
Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late.
WASHINGTON - One in four younger U.S. Muslims say suicide bombings to defend their religion are acceptable at least in some circumstances, though most Muslim Americans overwhelmingly reject the tactic and are critical of Islamic extremism and al-Qaida, a poll says
One in four believe that suicide bombing is OK and the press reports happily that "most" muslims reject suicide bombings. If a survey found that one in four Christians supported bombing abortion clinics and killing abortion doctors and their staff, do you believe for a second that the headline would be proclaiming that most Christians reject abortion clinic bombing?
There is a reason why people don't stand up against these Muslims in countries like Africa where there is little or no government to protect them.
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From a link, by another poster, in another thread:
Jerry Klein’s 2006 Radio Experiment
Jerry Klein of WMAL 630 AM Radio
On Nov. 26, 2006 radio host Jerry Klein of WMAL 630 AM (covering Washington DC, Northern Virginia and Maryland) had a program that was "focused on public reaction to the removal of six Imams, or Islamic religious leaders, from a US Airways flight." (See Flying Imams controversy). In an effort to gauge his audience's reaction said that force should be applied to ensure that all Muslims in America wear "identifying markers. ...I'm thinking either it should be an arm band, a crescent moon arm band, or it should be a crescent moon tattoo. ...If it means that we have to round them up and do a tattoo in a place where everybody knows where to find it, then that's what we'll have to do."
The response was overwhelming "the phone lines jammed instantly", Klein later stated that "The switchboard went from empty to totally jammed within minutes. There were plenty of callers angry with me, but there were plenty who agreed.". While some callers said he was "off his rocker", others insisted that his statement did not go far enough, calling for forced mass exile: "Not only do you tattoo them in the middle of their forehead but you ship them out of this country...they are here to kill us." Others called for Muslims to be placed in concentration camps: "You have to set up encampments like during World War Two with the Japanese and Germans.""
At the end of the show he revealed that his statements were a hoax, saying "I can't believe any of you are sick enough to have agreed for one second with anything I said. For me to suggest to tattoo marks on people's bodies, have them wear armbands, put a crescent moon on their driver's license on their passport or birth certificate is disgusting. It's beyond disgusting. Because basically what you just did was show me how the German people allowed what happened to the Jews to happen ... We need to separate them, we need to tattoo their arms, we need to make them wear the yellow Star of David, we need to put them in concentration camps, we basically just need to kill them all because they are dangerous." A week later, Klein also expressed surprise at how much international media coverage the story got. “You should know that I've received email from around the world, interview requests from the BBC and Channel 4 in England”
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Thought this was worth repeating.
Coyote
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I actually agree with Paleriders thoughts there - but, muslims are starting to wake up and speak up against the extremists. I don't think it helps them any, that there is massive instability in the middle east due to the war in Iraq and the unsolved Palistinian/Israeli issue, which muddies the waters quite a bit.
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Why don't they stand up against them in countries like the US, or Germany, or France, or Spain, etc., etc., etc?
Coyote
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They have been condemning them more and more. Not to mention, there was near world wide condemnation by the muslim community of the actions of the terrorists of 9/11.
vyo476
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It is a very fair point. I'm going to have to think on all this.
Whenever I find myself in turmoil over an issue, I go to Winston Churchill. Here's what he had to say this time:
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject."
and
"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened."
Needless to say I have some thinking to do.
LOLOLOL!!! 40% of American Muslims dont even believe it was Arabs that carried out the attack and I havent heard any of them condemn the Americans and Zionist for the attacks of 9/11. MARK
Coyote
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So????
More than a third of the American public suspects that federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East.
So what 40% of American Muslims doubt it was Arabs? It's in line with the American public.
The latter part of your remark doesn't make any sense to me.
vyo476
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Perhaps you should have a few words with the proponents of the 9/11 Truth Movement that inhabit this board; they don't think seem to think that Arabs carried out the 9/11 attacks either (er...sometimes).
vyo476
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You asked me once if I was afraid that, by asserting that Islam was evil, we would "drive more of them back to doctrine." That isn't a direct quote but I don't have the patience to go back and find the exact wording. I'm not ashamed to admit that yes, I am afraid of pushing more moderate Muslims into extremism - no one wants to escalate the present conflict except the extremists themselves.
However, what I fear even more than escalation is this...
* Crowd of 300 demonstrating in front of a Chicago Mosque: One of the demonstrators, Colin Zaremba, 19, told The Associated Press, "I'm proud to be American and I hate Arabs and I always have."
* New York man tries to run over a Pakistani woman: Huntington, N.Y., a 75-year-old man who was drunk tried to run over a Pakistani woman in the parking lot of a shopping mall, police said. The man, Adam Lang, then followed the woman into a store and threatened to kill her for "destroying my country."
* San Francisco Police Investigate Hate Crime: (BAY CITY NEWS - 9/12/2001) - The San Francisco Police Department reported today that someone left a bag filled with a red substance thought to be blood on the doorstep of the Islamic Community Center and investigators are treating the incident as a hate crime.
* Dallas-area mosque target of shooting
ASSOCIATED PRESS - 9/12/2001) - At least six bullets shattered windows of a North Texas Mosque this morning, causing about $3,000 in damage, officials said. Windows at the Islamic Center of Irving were found shot out when workers arrived at the mosque about 6 a.m. Nobody was at the mosque when the shooting occurred and no injuries were reported.
* Bus with Muslim school children stoned (Washington Post, 9/13/2001)
* A Sikh man in Arizona is killed. Officials are investigating to see if the murder was racially motivated. The murderer might well have mistaken the Sikh turban for an indication that the man was Muslim. (September 16th, 2001) Two other gas stations in the same town, Mesa, Arizona, have also been shot at. The operators of the other gas stations are of Arab origin.
* Fearing for the safety of its children, all Canadian Islamic schools close.
* A mosque in Denton, Texas was fire bombed.
* A crowd chases a Muslim woman and her children out of a Wal-mart at Lamarie, Wyoming.
* A primary Muslim school in New York, The Islamic Institute, receives death threats against its 450 children. The caller threatened to "paint the street with the blood of the children."
According to the American Institute on Islamic Relations, there were 785 hate crimes against Muslims recorded in the United States between 9/11 and October 2nd - less than a month. In the 48 hours after 9/11 there were more hate crimes against Muslims in the United States than there had been in the entirety of the previous year. Attacks came in on Hindus and Sikhs, too, simply because they look Arabic.
That scares me too.
However, what I fear even more than escalation is this...
* Crowd of 300 demonstrating in front of a Chicago Mosque: One of the demonstrators, Colin Zaremba, 19, told The Associated Press, "I'm proud to be American and I hate Arabs and I always have."
* New York man tries to run over a Pakistani woman: Huntington, N.Y., a 75-year-old man who was drunk tried to run over a Pakistani woman in the parking lot of a shopping mall, police said. The man, Adam Lang, then followed the woman into a store and threatened to kill her for "destroying my country."
* San Francisco Police Investigate Hate Crime: (BAY CITY NEWS - 9/12/2001) - The San Francisco Police Department reported today that someone left a bag filled with a red substance thought to be blood on the doorstep of the Islamic Community Center and investigators are treating the incident as a hate crime.
* Dallas-area mosque target of shooting
ASSOCIATED PRESS - 9/12/2001) - At least six bullets shattered windows of a North Texas Mosque this morning, causing about $3,000 in damage, officials said. Windows at the Islamic Center of Irving were found shot out when workers arrived at the mosque about 6 a.m. Nobody was at the mosque when the shooting occurred and no injuries were reported.* Bus with Muslim school children stoned (Washington Post, 9/13/2001)
* A Sikh man in Arizona is killed. Officials are investigating to see if the murder was racially motivated. The murderer might well have mistaken the Sikh turban for an indication that the man was Muslim. (September 16th, 2001) Two other gas stations in the same town, Mesa, Arizona, have also been shot at. The operators of the other gas stations are of Arab origin.
* Fearing for the safety of its children, all Canadian Islamic schools close.
* A mosque in Denton, Texas was fire bombed.
* A crowd chases a Muslim woman and her children out of a Wal-mart at Lamarie, Wyoming.
* A primary Muslim school in New York, The Islamic Institute, receives death threats against its 450 children. The caller threatened to "paint the street with the blood of the children."
According to the American Institute on Islamic Relations, there were 785 hate crimes against Muslims recorded in the United States between 9/11 and October 2nd - less than a month. In the 48 hours after 9/11 there were more hate crimes against Muslims in the United States than there had been in the entirety of the previous year. Attacks came in on Hindus and Sikhs, too, simply because they look Arabic.
That scares me too.
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vyo476
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I apologize for the cut 'n' paste. I may edit this later to make it more readable because of my OCD.
- The terrorist act was strongly condemned by every single Palestinian organization including Fatah, the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, Hamas, Workers Unions and Committees, Human Right organizations (AlHaq, Law, Palestine Center for Human Rights), student associations, municipalities, mosques and churches, etc.
- The US Consul General in Jerusalem reported that he has received a huge stack of faxes from Palestinians and Palestinian organizations expressing condolences, grief and solidarity. He himself was pained to see that the media chose to focus on the sensational images of a few Palestinians rejoicing.
- The Palestine Legislative Council condemned the terrorist attack on the United States and sent an urgent letter of condolences to Mr. J Dennis Hasterd, Speaker of the House of Representatives.
- Palestinians in East Jerusalem held a candle-light vigils on 12 and 14 September to express their grief and solidarity with the American families struck by this tragedy. Mr. Abdel Qader Al-Husseini, son of the late Palestinian leader Faisal Al-Husseini led one of the vigils.
- Jerusalem University students, along with the President of the University and the Deans of the various Faculties, began a blood donation drive in East Jerusalem. Students and professors went to hospitals in order to donate blood for the American victims who need it.
- The 1 million Palestinian students in the Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, stood five minutes in silence to express their solidarity with the hundreds of American children who have been struck by this strategy, which resembles in its shocking effects their daily sufferings. (see image to the right)
-In Iran, Tehran's main soccer stadium observed an unprecedented minute's silence in sympathy with the victims.
-Iran's Ayatollah Imami Kashani spoke of a catastrophic act of terrorism which could only be condemned by all Muslims, adding the whole world should mobilise against terrorism.
* "Hijacking Planes, terrorizing innocent people and shedding blood constitute a form of injustice that can not be tolerated by Islam, which views them as gross crimes and sinful acts." Shaykh Abdul Aziz al-Ashaikh (Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia and Chairman of the Senior Ulama, on September 15th, 2001)
*The terrorists acts, from the perspective of Islamic law, constitute the crime of hirabah (waging war against society)." Sept. 27, 2001 fatwa, signed by:
Shaykh Yusuf al-Qaradawi (Grand Islamic Scholar and Chairman of the Sunna and Sira Countil, Qatar)
Judge Tariq al-Bishri, First Deputy President of the Council d'etat, Egypt
Dr. Muhammad s. al-Awa, Professor of Islamic Law and Shari'a, Egypt
Dr. Haytham al-Khayyat, Islamic scholar, Syria
Fahmi Houaydi, Islamic scholar, Syria
Shaykh Taha Jabir al-Alwani, Chairman, North America High Council
*"Neither the law of Islam nor its ethical system justify such a crime." Zaki Badawi, Principal of the Muslim College in London. Cited in Arab News, Sept. 28, 2001.
*"It is wrong to kill innocent people. It is also wrong to Praise those who kill innocent people." Mufti Nizamuddin Shamzai, Pakistan. Cited in NY Times, Sept. 28, 2001.
*"What these people stand for is completely against all the principles that Arab Muslims believe in." King Abdullah II, of Jordan; cited in Middle East Times, Sept. 28, 2001.
The above statements by high ranking international Muslim scholars appeared in an advertisement placed by the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, in the NY Times, October 17th, 2001 (p. A 17)
*CANADIAN MUSLIM SCHOLARS REJECT "MISGUIDED" CALLS FOR JIHAD : The Canadian office of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR CAN) and the Canadian Muslim Civil Liberties Association (CMCLA) today denounced a series of recent statements made by Osama bin Laden and his al-Qaeda network that state that Muslims should wage a "jihad" against Americans.
"Islam respects the sacredness of life, and rejects any express statement or tacit insinuation that Muslims should harm innocent people. Despite our disagreement with certain American policies, we must never abuse the concept of Jihad to target innocent civilians.
Jihad, which literally means 'struggle,' has an internal, societal and combative dimension. The internal dimension of Jihad encompasses the struggle against the evil inclinations of the self, and the spiritual project to adorn the self with virtues such as justice, mercy, generosity and gentleness. The societal dimension includes struggling against social injustice and creating a communal identity based on charity, respect and equality. Finally, the combative aspect of jihad is only to be used as self-defense against aggression or to fight oppression, and, even then, to be observed with strict limits of conduct that preserves the life of innocents and the sanctity of the environment.
Moreover, this latter type of Jihad can only be declared by a legitimate, recognized religious authority. Using the concept of Jihad to justify harming the innocent is contrary to the letter and spirit of Islam.We condemn any violence that springs from this misguided interpretation."
*Ingrid Mattson, a professor of Islamic studies and Muslim-Christian relations at Hartford Seminary in Hartford, said there was no basis in Islamic law or sacred text for Mr. bin Laden's remarks. "The basic theological distortion is that any means are permitted to achieve the end of protesting against perceived oppression," said Dr. Mattson, a practicing Muslim.
"Islamic law is very clear: terrorism is not permitted," she added. "Even in a legitimate war — even if Osama bin Laden were a legitimate head of state, which he's not — you're not permitted to indiscriminately kill civilians, just to create terror in the general population." ("Experts Say Bin Laden is Distorting Islamic Law", NY Times, Oct. 8, 2001)
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