If water-boarding is not torture, then it is alright for our enemies to do it to our soldiers, it is alright to do to children, it is alright to do it to women, it is alright to do it to American citizens who are arrested (suspects), as a questioning technique.
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Is Waterboarding Torture?
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MistyTiger
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Yes, it's torture.
Who are you classifying as "the enemy"?
This logic does not fly. If we fight according to the standards to obtain POW status as spelled out in the Geneva Conventions then our soldiers are entitled to those protections, regardless of if we waterboarded three people or not. There is no legal connection to be drawn from "well we did it so others can do it to us." It does not work in that manner.
Further, as an American citizen you are entitled to Constitutional protections which would protect you from an action such as waterboarding, and that was upheld in every Congressional authorization of the practice.
pocketfullofshells
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North Korea, Russia, Who ever we may fight....
Then no, as long as we were in accordance with the Geneva Conventions in the manner we conducted the war that would entitle our soldiers to POW status, it would not be acceptable to treat our soldiers as anything less in my view. Given this, they would be entitled to full POW protections and should be treated accordingly, which would not involve being waterboarded.
You can see the clear distinction within our own military. When special forces go out for example, if they are captured, they are legally subject to whatever their captors chose to do to them (in most cases). Point being if you follow the Geneva Conventions you are entitled to their protection, whereas if you do not, you are not.
That's good. Notice to all United States Special Ops men and women our fathers, sons, mothers & daughters!
We have now officially declared that we are fine with you being TORTURED... WATER SUFFOCATED or whatever... anything goes. Because some in America have decided it's better for us to get to TORTURE... than for us to push hard to eliminate TORTURE and condemn & ostracize on a world stage all those who do TORTURE.
Can't do that now... because we chose to be one of the worlds TORTURERS of bound helpless detainees as well!
BUSH/CHENEY....... see why we needed change?
We declared that when we started special forces TopGun. This is not new, whenever special forces go on an OP (that is not in the act of open war) they turn in their dog tags and will be disowned (many times) if caught. This is not new.
Do I want this to happen to them? No. Is it the way the world works? Yes.
pocketfullofshells
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question was, its is tourture, not is it against convention. SO are you saying it is tourture but we can do it becuse of how they fought? If is torture and if they are POW's are 2 questions. Though linked, they are seperate issues. Also note that the IRA was given POW Status , and treated so by the Brits. Of course it took work to get that, but it did happen.
I of course also think the US should hold itself to a higher moral standard, and also that is ineffective but those are also other issues.
It is not torture in the manner we do it, and they are not POW's.
The UK was not obligated to give them this status, and many in the US opposed it. That was a domestic decision that was not required of the government.
What higher standard?
pocketfullofshells
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so then if some other nation did it to our troops , in the same way, it would not be torture you are saying? But agree that it would be against the Geniva convention in some other way?
and the higher standart of , not waterboarding people....regardless of how much one thinks we played with the legal code to make it "legal"
GenSeneca
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Given that the title of my other thread is:
What Interrogation Techniques are Acceptable?
And so many chose to reply in that thread as if the title were:
Is Waterboarding Torture?
I almost hoped those same people would respond in this thread by offering interrogation techniques...
What Interrogation Techniques are Acceptable?
And so many chose to reply in that thread as if the title were:
Is Waterboarding Torture?
I almost hoped those same people would respond in this thread by offering interrogation techniques...
It depends on the circumstances.
Not necessarily, it depends on the circumstances.
When has the United States ever really held itself to a "higher standard" in the act of warfare? Our "low" standard is still much higher than many other's "high standard."
The Scotsman
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.....no they were'nt, they were treated as criminals. Oh yeah and you seriously don't want to know what happened at Castlereagh..........
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I thought they were given POW status for awhile but it was later taken away?
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