"I'd be dead without Obamacare."

[Openmind]

Yes, that's it. I distinctly remember the insurance companies' ads showing Canadians coming into the US by the busload for health care that they couldn't get in Canada.

I'm sure that must have been for real, right?

Sorry, you are too quick for me! I just edited my last reply with this information:

www.vox.com/2016/10/9/.../canadians-seeking-medical-care-us-trump-debate

No, Canadians do not flee en masse for US health care
Updated by Julia Belluz@juliaoftorontojulia.belluz@voxmedia.com Feb 7, 2017, 9:45pm EST

 

[Openmind]

Wow! Their costs could double in the next 40 years. If that happens, their health care costs will equal what ours are today.

Yep! you got it! In FORTY YEARS the NHS might be as expensive as the cost of health care in the US TODAY!

I love your sense of humour!

 

[Openmind]

Then why did so many come here for it ?

Once again: That is just an urban legend! The only foreigners who come to the US in drove for healthcare are. . .the healthcare providers who seek the high pay of the US medical care providers. . .specialists in particulars, Indians, Iranians, Bangladesh. . .you name it!

 

[dogtowner]

http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/news/canada/

52000 cannuks looked elsewhere for care

Another view

http://www.usnews.com/news/best-cou...dians-increasingly-come-to-us-for-health-care

 

[dogtowner]

Once again: That is just an urban legend! The only foreigners who come to the US in drove for healthcare are. . .the healthcare providers who seek the high pay of the US medical care providers. . .specialists in particulars, Indians, Iranians, Bangladesh. . .you name it!

They stay after they graduate.
I'm referring to patients who need care they can't get in the old country.

 

[dogtowner]

Yep! you got it! In FORTY YEARS the NHS might be as expensive as the cost of health care in the US TODAY!

I love your sense of humour!

The costs already cause long waits and refusal of care.
And it's only getting worse.

 

[The Scotsman]

Another view

Hi mate, just reading through the report you cited it doesn't give the impression of being a major issue or condemning the Canadian system as inadequate. Its almost exclusively non-emergency elective procedures where people with (presumably) the ready cash can jump a queue, if they have the cash to do that then great let them do it - I've done it here in the UK. However, if you think about the effect on the local (Canadian) hospital it can only be positive because they have more time to spend on those that don't have the ready cash to afford to jump a queue thus those with a greater need get assistance that bit quicker. Its a win win

Also from that article and linked references you get this….

l'il old UK.

 

[dogtowner]

Well Scotty that's one way to look at it but when you happen to gave known a Canadian whose brain tumor grew dramatically while she waited for a scan making it inoperable by the time it got done, it puts the issue in very stark relief. RIP Margery, Canada failed you.

 

[PLC1]

Well Scotty that's one way to look at it but when you happen to gave known a Canadian whose brain tumor grew dramatically while she waited for a scan making it inoperable by the time it got done, it puts the issue in very stark relief. RIP Margery, Canada failed you.

I'm pretty sure we could find an example of the US system failing someone too. It's tragic, and needs to be addressed, of course, but it's necessary to look at the big picture.

As for that medical tourism:

Why didn't the US make the ten best?

 

[The Scotsman]

but it's necessary to look at the big picture

Spot on mate!

 

[Openmind]

The costs already cause long waits and refusal of care.
And it's only getting worse.

Have YOU experienced those "long waits" and "refusal of care?"

You know NOTHING about Universal health care. Why don't you stick to singing the praise of private insurance healthcare in the US. . .and tell us how someone who can't afford the cost of insurance in the US deals with the "refusal of care" and the "long waits" when they can't get anymore than a quick "stabilisation" if they dare visit an emergency room.

 

[Openmind]

They stay after they graduate.
I'm referring to patients who need care they can't get in the old country.

And I am stating that this is merely an urban legend. Patients from "the old country" do NOT flock to the US for care. . .in fact, the "old country" is ahead of the US in many areas of healthcare, INCLUDING access, and research and development.

 

[Openmind]

Hi mate, just reading through the report you cited it doesn't give the impression of being a major issue or condemning the Canadian system as inadequate. Its almost exclusively non-emergency elective procedures where people with (presumably) the ready cash can jump a queue, if they have the cash to do that then great let them do it - I've done it here in the UK. However, if you think about the effect on the local (Canadian) hospital it can only be positive because they have more time to spend on those that don't have the ready cash to afford to jump a queue thus those with a greater need get assistance that bit quicker. Its a win win

Also from that article and linked references you get this….

l'il old UK.

Thank you for this chart. . .but please be aware that, if ALL European countries were taken in consideration, the US would not be 11th, but probably closer to 15th or 18th! Because I live in Belgium, I just checked on the standing of Belgium healthcare in Europe, and it places 6th. AHEAD of France and Germany, and behind the Nederland who is ALWAYS the first in Europe. To add to this very interesting comparative chart of World healthcare standing, I will provide a link to European health care standing. . .which will clearly demonstrate that most European countries are far ahead of most other developed countries in the world.

Netherlands tops health care rankings, with UK in 14th place - Telegraph
www.telegraph.co.uk › News › Health › Expat Health
Feb 3, 2015 - A new report comparing European provision claims the NHS model is doomed. ... The Netherlands is the best country in Europe to live for health care, a new report has found. The 2014 Euro .... Grand stand views of London.

 

[dogtowner]

I'm pretty sure we could find an example of the US system failing someone too. It's tragic, and needs to be addressed, of course, but it's necessary to look at the big picture.

As for that medical tourism:

Why didn't the US make the ten best?

There is tourism and there is criticality. Loads of Americans go to Costa Rico or Thailand to save $$.

 

[dogtowner]

And I am stating that this is merely an urban legend. Patients from "the old country" do NOT flock to the US for care. . .in fact, the "old country" is ahead of the US in many areas of healthcare, INCLUDING access, and research and development.

You can say it but there are articles about it regularly so not buying it.
Cancer outcomes are much worse there mainly due to denials.
And as you are not as young as you once were (as am i), prepare to get told "non" should (and I hope it never does) something serious befall you.