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[Mare Tranquillity]

I happen to like a lot of gay people.

I have lots of friends who are black/Jewish/whatever. A very common statement, but your posts denigrating gay people give lie to your words.

I am not against gay people getting married. I am against the state regulating that marriage.

You wanting to rewrite the bible based on your ideas is as bad as them wanting to rewrite it based on theirs.

Oh, I never said that they were not doing it based on political ends. That WOULD seem to be the reason they are doing it.
NOpe.

Rich people can get into heaven but they have extra obstacles.

Oh yeah, camels just gallop right through the eyes of needles.

perfectly consistent with conservative ideals. We want for all of us to care for sick poor etc. Which is why we give to them in larger amounts than liberals do who show by their actions that they dont care. Giving very generously is a conservative ideal.

When the richest 1% of the population has more money than the poorest 95% the population, is it any surprise that the rich would be able to give more than the poor?

also a conservarive ideal - it is what motivates giving. It is why we don't need a socialistic state telling us that we must give.
Hmm?Yep.


Apparently you do not think that conservative have the ability to be forgiving. You are going to lose your liberal buddies with that one. All people are equally able to forgive or not.


Yes he was.



Apparently you don't like me.

You are not truthful. You argued through dozens of posts about why gay people should not be allowed to marry, and now you have changed your position and say that it's the State regulation of marriage that you are against. You, sir, are not truthful.

Yes, I know all about compassionate conservatism, I've been watching it most of my life. Preemptive war, consolidation of wealth, greater and greater disparity between rich and poor, denial of equal rights based on religious bigotry, millions without medical care, and the list goes on and on.

It is not that conservatives cannot forgive, but it's not part of the philosophy that is practiced and preached. You tout yourself as being a Christian, but you don't advocate the teachings of Jesus.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

Man Little Acorn is slow...still no response?

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

Man Little Acorn is slow...still no response?

When you back them into a corner they sometimes become very, very quiet.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

When you back them into a corner they sometimes become very, very quiet.

I know , thing is, he thinks like most I will drop it...I dont

 

[Andy]

Don't flip me sh1t, Who, when you are foursquare for denying legal marriage equality to people you don't happen to like.

You have the legal right to marry any person of the opposite sex (which is what marriage is), just like anyone else. You are denied nothing that anyone else is.

Look at the storm of abuse I got for suggesting a new Council of Nicea to remove the violence, insanity, and obvious errors in the Bible.

So because someone might not agree with what you claim are errors, that's called abuse?

Personally, I don't see how a conservative could LIKE the Bible since it's one of the most liberal philosophy books in the world, rich people can't get into Heaven?

David was rich and went to Heaven. Luke was wealthy and went to Heaven. Jesus never said rich people can't get to Heaven.

Nearly two thousand references to caring for the sick, poor, and unfortunate? Giving all your wealth to the poor? Loving others as yourself?

Because the Bible never says that we should enact a government to forcibly take from people, and give to others for any reason, let alone caring for the poor.

See conservatives are all for people helping people on their own. Conservatives have no problem with Walmart giving $272 to charity, or Dave Thomas gives millions to charity. That's great. Why? Because it's actually charity. It's people giving freely of their own wealth to help others.

What conservatives are against, is the forcible taking of other peoples money, and giving it to others. First, that is not charity. That's theft. Second, people who support it, are not being benefactor, they are doing it to gain public support by purchasing votes through the giving away of money that isn't theirs.

In fact, Jesus specifically made a passing reference to this very thing.
Luke 22:24 "The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them; and those who exercise authority over them call themselves Benefactors. But you are not to be like that."

But you are not like that? Or don't be like the King who claims to be everyone's benefactor.

There's nothing in there that is conservative, Jesus argued with the entrenched religious hierarchy and was nailed up for His trouble. And He forgave those who used Him so badly. Not only that, He said that we ALL should forgive those who use us spitefully and that we should return good for evil.

You would say that is Liberal? Are you kidding? Liberals are the most ruthless unforgiving people I've ever met. I had a liberal accuse me of causing the crusades. That's forgiving? This is neither a liberal, or a conservative philosophy. This is a person moral command to forgive those who wrong you personally. It's not even part of a political view.

Again, there is nothing in that philosophy for conservatives. Jesus was advocating the most radical liberal philosophy ever put forward, and that's why hypocrites like you don't pay attention to the hard parts of what He asked of His followers and just practice the easy things like hating and persecuting gays.

It takes some interesting mental gymnastics to claiming following his defined views, is contradictory to following his defined views.

 

[Andy]

I know , thing is, he thinks like most I will drop it...I dont

I am not sure I understand what you are waiting for. Granted I jumped into this thread when it was already 4 pages long but....

You want to know who tipped off investigators that Acorn was sending fabricated voter registrations?

Which time in which case? Acorn voter fraud goes at least back to 2004, and likely prior. Further, they have investigations of voter fraud in 14 states, and 11 of which have already turned up hundreds if not thousands of fraudulent voter registrations.

So, I'm a little confused as to what information you specifically want. You want me to find out who complained about fraudulent applications in each state? And which time? Acorn has had fraudulent voter registrations multiple times in many states.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

You have the legal right to marry any person of the opposite sex (which is what marriage is), just like anyone else. You are denied nothing that anyone else is.
So because someone might not agree with what you claim are errors, that's called abuse?
David was rich and went to Heaven. Luke was wealthy and went to Heaven. Jesus never said rich people can't get to Heaven.
Because the Bible never says that we should enact a government to forcibly take from people, and give to others for any reason, let alone caring for the poor.
See conservatives are all for people helping people on their own. Conservatives have no problem with Walmart giving $272 to charity, or Dave Thomas gives millions to charity. That's great. Why? Because it's actually charity. It's people giving freely of their own wealth to help others.
What conservatives are against, is the forcible taking of other peoples money, and giving it to others. First, that is not charity. That's theft. Second, people who support it, are not being benefactor, they are doing it to gain public support by purchasing votes through the giving away of money that isn't theirs.
In fact, Jesus specifically made a passing reference to this very thing.
Luke 22:24 "The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them; and those who exercise authority over them call themselves Benefactors. But you are not to be like that."
But you are not like that? Or don't be like the King who claims to be everyone's benefactor.
You would say that is Liberal? Are you kidding? Liberals are the most ruthless unforgiving people I've ever met. I had a liberal accuse me of causing the crusades. That's forgiving? This is neither a liberal, or a conservative philosophy. This is a person moral command to forgive those who wrong you personally. It's not even part of a political view.
It takes some interesting mental gymnastics to claiming following his defined views, is contradictory to following his defined views.

This could be just a cut and paste copy of one of Who's posts. The same bullship under a different name.

No matter how you phrase it there are millions of people without adequate medical care, we are involved in preemptive war, we have an uncounted number of people who are homeless, and the top 1% of the people in this country control more money than the bottom 95%. Who's trying to do something about all of this? Not conservatives because they don't want anyone to tell them that they HAVE to help others even when the person telling them is Jesus. I love how you excuse rich people by claiming that two rich peope in the Bible managed to get into Heaven. Walmart has raped the economies of thousands of small towns and I'm supposed to be impressed with them giving $272 to charity? It's not charity if you give only of your increase because charity comes only from giving of your substance.

And finally, you once again rely on the KKK for your argument against equality for gay people. And just like Who you ignore what Jesus said was the second most important commandment in the Bible. Some Christian you turned out to be.

 

[AtheismIsReality]

You have the legal right to marry any person of the opposite sex (which is what marriage is), just like anyone else. You are denied nothing that anyone else is.



So because someone might not agree with what you claim are errors, that's called abuse?



David was rich and went to Heaven. Luke was wealthy and went to Heaven. Jesus never said rich people can't get to Heaven.



Because the Bible never says that we should enact a government to forcibly take from people, and give to others for any reason, let alone caring for the poor.

See conservatives are all for people helping people on their own. Conservatives have no problem with Walmart giving $272 to charity, or Dave Thomas gives millions to charity. That's great. Why? Because it's actually charity. It's people giving freely of their own wealth to help others.

What conservatives are against, is the forcible taking of other peoples money, and giving it to others. First, that is not charity. That's theft. Second, people who support it, are not being benefactor, they are doing it to gain public support by purchasing votes through the giving away of money that isn't theirs.

In fact, Jesus specifically made a passing reference to this very thing.
Luke 22:24 "The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them; and those who exercise authority over them call themselves Benefactors. But you are not to be like that."

But you are not like that? Or don't be like the King who claims to be everyone's benefactor.



You would say that is Liberal? Are you kidding? Liberals are the most ruthless unforgiving people I've ever met. I had a liberal accuse me of causing the crusades. That's forgiving? This is neither a liberal, or a conservative philosophy. This is a person moral command to forgive those who wrong you personally. It's not even part of a political view.



It takes some interesting mental gymnastics to claiming following his defined views, is contradictory to following his defined views.

Jesus did say to pay your taxes and we all know how Caesar funded his bread and circuses, right?

 

[always]

Don't flip me sh1t, Who, when you are foursquare for denying legal marriage equality to people you don't happen to like. You can bleat like a sheeple but the fact is these self-identified "conservatives" are rewriting the Bible for political ends. Look at the storm of abuse I got for suggesting a new Council of Nicea to remove the violence, insanity, and obvious errors in the Bible.

Personally, I don't see how a conservative could LIKE the Bible since it's one of the most liberal philosophy books in the world, rich people can't get into Heaven? Nearly two thousand references to caring for the sick, poor, and unfortunate? Giving all your wealth to the poor? Loving others as yourself? There's nothing in there that is conservative, Jesus argued with the entrenched religious hierarchy and was nailed up for His trouble. And He forgave those who used Him so badly. Not only that, He said that we ALL should forgive those who use us spitefully and that we should return good for evil. Again, there is nothing in that philosophy for conservatives. Jesus was advocating the most radical liberal philosophy ever put forward, and that's why hypocrites like you don't pay attention to the hard parts of what He asked of His followers and just practice the easy things like hating and persecuting gays.

Why and HOW did a innocent word like"Gay" , "GAY" meaning , happily excited , bright and lively in appearance , become highjacked into something that is an abomination?

 

[AtheismIsReality]

Let's not forget the endorsement of collectivism among Christians

Act 4: 31-37

And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness. And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all. Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need. And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus, Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet.

But hey you can keep a little for yourself, right? I mean it is YOUR scratch, yes?

Not so fast, Christians, the very next part, Act 5: 1-5

But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet. But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.

 

[always]

Hell of a good post Mare...

Surely you jest !, Christians are not surprised todays world is evil . Of course there are more Jesus Christ haters than Christians. Also, the reason God Fearing Conservatism is hated and yet feared by the non - believers.
It was not the true followers of Christ that insisted on HIS crucifixion.No, it was the heathen, the unclean , the judas . Yes, evil will always out number GOOD until Jesus returns, then even the most vile will seek redemption.Will they then be saved? GOD only knows! You may wish to study your personal situation!

 

[always]

I have lots of friends who are black/Jewish/whatever. A very common statement, but your posts denigrating gay people give lie to your words.

I am not against gay people getting married. I am against the state regulating that marriage.

You wanting to rewrite the bible based on your ideas is as bad as them wanting to rewrite it based on theirs.

Oh, I never said that they were not doing it based on political ends. That WOULD seem to be the reason they are doing it.
NOpe.



Oh yeah, camels just gallop right through the eyes of needles.


When the richest 1% of the population has more money than the poorest 95% the population, is it any surprise that the rich would be able to give more than the poor?



You are not truthful. You argued through dozens of posts about why gay people should not be allowed to marry, and now you have changed your position and say that it's the State regulation of marriage that you are against. You, sir, are not truthful.

Yes, I know all about compassionate conservatism, I've been watching it most of my life. Preemptive war, consolidation of wealth, greater and greater disparity between rich and poor, denial of equal rights based on religious bigotry, millions without medical care, and the list goes on and on.

It is not that conservatives cannot forgive, but it's not part of the philosophy that is practiced and preached. You tout yourself as being a Christian, but you don't advocate the teachings of Jesus.

I find it impossible to learn CHRISTIANITY from a atheist since they know so very little about it!

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

Why and HOW did a innocent word like"Gay" , "GAY" meaning , happily excited , bright and lively in appearance , become highjacked into something that is an abomination?

First, the term "abomination" is the translation of a specific word meaning something that breaks Jewish law, so it is a mistranslation to use it for people who are not Jewish and are not required to follow Jewish law.

Who knows how words get their meanings changed? Check on the word "n1gger" sometime, it was used by French/Canadian trappers to refer to themselves. The word "faggot" was used and still is used a derogatory term for gay people.

Homosexuality is just one of the normal sexual expressions of mammals, it's found widely in all the higher animals.

 

[chestnut]

People are fed up with the fring media.

So much there will be nationwide protests.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

Surely you jest !, Christians are not surprised todays world is evil . Of course there are more Jesus Christ haters than Christians. Also, the reason God Fearing Conservatism is hated and yet feared by the non - believers.
It was not the true followers of Christ that insisted on HIS crucifixion.No, it was the heathen, the unclean , the judas . Yes, evil will always out number GOOD until Jesus returns, then even the most vile will seek redemption.Will they then be saved? GOD only knows! You may wish to study your personal situation!

Gosh, Al, you ought to read my posts before you respond to them. My problem is not with the teachings of Jesus, it's with the actions of the self-identified "Christians" who ignore His teachings.

I am still waiting for even one, single Christian to post and advocate what Jesus said were the two most important commandments in the Bible without my bringing them up first. Not once on all the discussion sites I have been on has a Christian ever brought them up or advocated them as the basis for Christian behavior.