Bush US: Hypocrisy Personified & Astounding

[Andy]

It was Al Qaeda, then WMD, then regime change but the funny thing is that Al Qaeda is run by a Saudi, there were no WMD and there are loads of countries that could benefit from regime change (the US being one of them).

The origins of the man running Al Qaeda are unimportant. Unless you can provide documented evidence that makes this information important, you have no point.

Yeah, nearly every country benefits from regime change. In fact, Iraqi benefited from regime change. Another unimportant fact.

It knows it can lie and lie and lie again and most of them will just carry on believeing in the goodness of their leaders.

As opposed to a prior felon that lied and lied, and everyone supported him?

If there is any group that opposes leadership that goes bad, it is not the left in America.

Finely, the Rockefeller report proved conclusively that Bush didn't lie. To still hang on to this fallacy is a lie of your own.

Despite the fact that oil barons, running an oil dependent country running out of oil attacked an oil rich country that was not attacking them.

Again, logic disproves this flat out ignorant theory. We bought oil at market price from Iraq, prior to the war. Now... after the war, we buy oil at market price from Iraq. What has changed? Nothing. What value did 'oil barons' gain from this? Nothing. At least make up something remotely plausible.

Do you think it could have been for oil at all?

Does matter what opinion could be dreamed up. The fact is, the oil wells in Iraq were owned by Iraq before, and are owned by Iraq after, and will be owned by Iraq in the foreseeable future. So no, I don't 'think' it wasn't about oil, I 'know' it wasn't about oil.

Only ignorant people who don't know anything about the topic, dream up that it was all about oil.

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

Iraq is now goverened by a puppet government.

If Iraq had had no oil the US would never have invaded.

Fact.

 

[Andy]

ANDY, ANDY, ANDY.............ya have drunk the cool-aide. For one brief shining moment I thought we could actually discuss something .....

We are. You are making baseless empty claims, and I'm pointing out that they are baseless empty pointless claims. If you care to make more of the same, I'll be more than happy to shoot them all down.

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

The US is happy to stand back and watch the tyrannical government of Burmah and not regime change them.
It is happy to watch North Korea get nuclear weapons and not WMD them.

I wonder what they lack????

erm hang on...

I've nearly got it ...

I know

OIL of course

 

[Andy]

Of course bush had plans to invade Iraq BEFORE 9-11. That is and was known. In fact he had that as his objective (or one of them.) before he was even elected.

And rightly so.

You gotta admit that it is hilarious to review the changing excuses he came up with to "justify" his lust for invading Iraq for its resources and positioning in the ME. Both are about POWER. He could care less about the Iraqis and how they live. Look at what they have to put up with now. Ordinary essentials are not available to them. Many have left THEIR country as they can't live securely , and safely there any more. and don't blame others. The US created this mess. Willingly, and with intent.

We did not invade for resources. This is an unsupportable claim.

Let's see... they are putting up with self rule without rape rooms, being wiped out by WMDs, and a mad dictator attacking anyone around him at a moments notice... not to mention friendly American troops which they want to stay. Yeah I see how this must be tough to put up with.

Yeah, that's why I keep hearing from people actually in Iraq saying that the Iraqis are worried we will pull out before completing the mission. Who to believe... people actually in Iraq... or some hate-america mojo on the internet.... Boy tough call...

How anyone can be so naive as to buy the "free the Iraqis " crap , is beyond belief. Have folks stopped THINKING and analysing the BS their Gov spews to them??? If so , then they are slaves to their regimes slogans.and lies.

Iraqi civilians talking with iraqi police force.

Iraqi military forces providing medical care at a local school.

Iraqi women join a volunteer Guard force, and are taught by US army women on basic hand to hand and searching techniques.

James Anthony watches children play at the school his company helped build.

More evidence that of "the BS our government spews" can be found if required. I'm not convinced Shadow.

 

[Andy]

The US is happy to stand back and watch the tyrannical government of Burmah and not regime change them.
It is happy to watch North Korea get nuclear weapons and not WMD them.

I wonder what they lack????

erm hang on...

I've nearly got it ...

I know

OIL of course

Don't know to what you are refering with Burmah. More information is required.

If you think we are happy, or not dealing with North Korea, you got your head in the sand. Where the heck have you been? We've been dealing with North Korea for more than a few years. So your whole point falls flat on that one goof. I guess your all wrong again. Not surprised.

Of course you still don't get that regardless of either of those, that still doesn't change the fact we didn't get the Iraqi oil. So clearly the motivation can't be oil, if we didn't get it.

That's like saying the reason we drive cars is because of the exercise. Duh... you don't get it driving a car. Yeah well that's the reason we do it. Stupid.

We went into Iraq to get oil. But we didn't get oil. Yeah well that's the reason we did it. Stupid.

 

[Andy]

Iraq is now goverened by a puppet government.

If Iraq had had no oil the US would never have invaded.

Fact.

Oh.. if you say fact, it must be so! Everyone! A guy on the net said the word fact, so it must be a fact!

I suppose you believe those pills you can buy will enhance your maleness too since they also say 'fact'.

No, Iraq is not a puppet, or there wouldn't be any disagreement between us and them... yet there has been. So it's not really a puppet is it? Puppets don't talk back. 'fact'.

Further, is Japan a puppet? We setup their government. South Korea a puppet? We helped theirs. There are dozens of examples of us helping the setup of a government that clearly are not puppets. 'fact'.

I like how we didn't invade Iraq the first time, but liberated Kuwait, but hmm... we didn't get Kuwait's oil either.... 'fact'.

We did not get Iraq's oil. 'fact'. The idea that we went there for oil, but didn't get any of it, is plain stupid. 'fact'.

I'm enjoying this. 'fact'.

 

[Shadow]

It knows it can lie and lie and lie again and most of them will just carry on believeing in the goodness of their leaders.

spot on Dawkinsrocks ! ( and DAWKINS DOES ROCK!! The USG KNOWS how gullible/pliable a population can be when it uses its fear mongering tactics. Each time the USG uses the word "terrorist" , it yeilds the fear reponse. (something like Pavlov's dog .) As long as the "G" uses the fear tactic , it will get away with anything it wants and the sheeple .......(already highly brainwashed ) will follow along without question. (and even JUSTIFY more slaughter, torture wars as in a bizarre way that makes them feel "secure".

Meanwhile the G manipulates the population to believe all their LIES. Now to many: LIES have become THEIR TRUTHS........ and there is no way they will loosen that kind of belief system. It is entrenched.

 

[Shadow]

QUOTE]We went into Iraq to get oil. But we didn't get oil.[[/QUOTE]



So what were all those US companies doing , with all the oil deals that was reported recently. It kinda pays to read the fine print.

By "controlling " Iraq and establishing as a satelight "colony" ........IF not in so many words. the US has a huge" influence" (control) over the oil. It is about CONTROL and POWER. He who controls the world resources , has the POWER.

 

[Libsmasher]

So what were all those US companies doing , with all the oil deals that was reported recently. It kinda pays to read the fine print.

By "controlling " Iraq and establishing as a satelight "colony" ........IF not in so many words. the US has a huge" influence" (control) over the oil. It is about CONTROL and POWER. He who controls the world resources , has the POWER.

Colony, schmolony - give it up.

 

[Shadow]

Colony, schmolony - give it up

~~ libbie


WHY??? because YOU said so???

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

Let;'s try this slowllllllly

The US is run by OIL barons.
It is an OIL dependent economy.
It is running out of OIL
Iraq has lots of OIL.
The US made up some fake reasons to attack Iraq even though it was not attacking the US.
Could the real reason possibly have been to get their greedy hands onall that luvveeerrrrlly OIL?

 

[Shadow]

Let;'s try this slowllllllly

The US is run by OIL barons.
It is an OIL dependent economy.
It is running out of OIL
Iraq has lots of OIL.
The US made up some fake reasons to attack Iraq even though it was not attacking the US.
Could the real reason possibly have been to get their greedy hands onall that luvveeerrrrlly OIL?

You can add that: Iraq did not have the ability to fight an invasion from the US after years of sanctions etc. It was in a "weakened" state...including militarily. The US knew this too. So in essence the US attacked/ invaded a country that was a sure bet in their minds. However , the Iraqis did not surrender their nation or their resources all that easily and fought back the only way they could or knew how. No matter how they fought back or which faction fought back..... the message was clear. Iraq did /does NOT want any of the crappy US "hearts and flowers" crap.

The USG verbally attacks nations that are armed to their teeth..... but attacks /invades only the ones that are militarily weak. and IF they have something the US wants. OIL being the flavor du jour.

 

[Andy]

Let;'s try this slowllllllly

The US is run by OIL barons.
It is an OIL dependent economy.
It is running out of OIL
Iraq has lots of OIL.
The US made up some fake reasons to attack Iraq even though it was not attacking the US.
Could the real reason possibly have been to get their greedy hands onall that luvveeerrrrlly OIL?

A lie repeated, is a repeated lie. Saying over and over will not make it any more true.

US is run by oil barons... which explains why the government has systematically prevented the drilling for oil. Idiotic theory.

Is an oil dependent economy, just like every country on earth. Pointless statement.

It is running out of oil... only because we have systematically prevented the drilling for oil.

Iraq has oil. Lots of oil? We have tons more oil than Iraq, just like Russia, Canada, Mexico, Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, and hundreds of others. Another pointless statement.

US made up fake reasons to attack Iraq. Provably false. The Rockefeller report conclusively proved we made nothing up.

Could the reason we went into Iraq, be that we wanted their oil, when we didn't get their oil, and have no plans to acquire it? No. That logically insane, and only the completely uninformed believe that.

Get a tin foil hat, and a shack in Montana, so you can fit in with the rest of the crazies.

 

[Andy]

QUOTE]We went into Iraq to get oil. But we didn't get oil.

So what were all those US companies doing , with all the oil deals that was reported recently. It kinda pays to read the fine print.

Did you read any of the deals? It does pay to read the fine print. If you had, you'd know they are rebuilding the oil fields that are still under Iraq control. Note: still under Iraq control. Meaning, they still own and sell the oil, just as before. Note: Just as before the war. Meaning nothing has changed.

Maybe you should read the fine print before commenting on something you know nothing about.

By "controlling " Iraq and establishing as a satelight "colony" ........IF not in so many words. the US has a huge" influence" (control) over the oil. It is about CONTROL and POWER. He who controls the world resources , has the POWER.

Yeah US has a huge influence on the entire planet. Big whoop. We don't control the oil. Again, Iraq sells the oil on the commodities market, just like it used to, and very little comes to the US. Do you know ANYTHING about this topic?

Yeah, satelight colony like Japan or South Korea. Try coming up with a real point. Oh wait, you can't.