Are you scientifically literate?

[orogenicman]

The plan is to let the market decide when the time is right.

So, if the arms industry decided it was right to start a war, the government should give them that right?

Look, our energy needs are a matter of national security. Not diversifying in this day and age, and not planning for the future is not only assinine, it jeapardizes the future of this country. Leaving our future in the hands of the free market alone is not in the best interest of this country. but I dont suppose that matters to you.

 

[orogenicman]

Am I to assume that no power grid would exist in the absence of government?

In this country in the 1950s and 1960s? No it would not have happened. Every utility in the country has received subsidies from the government.

 

[Gipper]

So, if the arms industry decided it was right to start a war, the government should give them that right?

Look, our energy needs are a matter of national security. Not diversifying in this day and age, and not planning for the future is not only assinine, it jeapardizes the future of this country. Leaving our future in the hands of the free market alone is not in the best interest of this country. but I dont suppose that matters to you.

That is 12 consecutive posts by you. Wow.

I doubt any American thinks the arms industry has a right to start a war...except maybe you.

And we do agree that our current energy policy is "asinine." What we need to do is build nuclear plants, drill baby drill, mine more coal, build refineries, hydro too. But, due to the power of greenies and liberals like you, we are dependent on foreign sources which keeps energy costs high and negatively effects the poor and middle class. Until reliable alternatives can be invented, which will never happen under socialism, we must use what works.

Greenies like you base your opinions on falsehoods. AGW is a hoax. So, spending billions on ineffective green energy sources to SAVE THE PLANET is ASININE. But, this is typical of liberalism.

 

[GenSeneca]

I find it interesting that conservatives have such a huge problem subsidizing alternative energy with just a handful of billion dolalrs to get it off the ground, while not having any problem at all subsidizing the oil industry to the tune of $36.5B,a well established industry that has no need whatsoever for subsidies.

I find it interesting that you just make stuff up and have a huge problem with people pointing out your lies and fallacies.

Everyone on my side of the table has agreed that government shouldn't be offering subsidies to any industry, that means no subsidies to renewables and no subsidies to the oil industry. If there are any SDC's who'd like to disagree, please speak up now.

You are the only one suggesting that industries you like should get subsidies while the industries you don't like should get nothing.

 

[GenSeneca]

Your premise seems to be that a $799 billion dollar drain on our economy is actually a good thing.

Trade with other countries is not a drain on our economy.

Isolationism is national suicide.

 

[GenSeneca]

So you would give the corporations a nod and a wink? Seems Bush already tried that with disastrous results.

What does that have to do with double taxation? Not a damn thing, you're just grasping at straws by invoking the name of Bush.

 

[GenSeneca]

I said nothing about nationalizing the oil companies.

Why not? They have what you want... You're already willing to use force against them to take some (more) of their money, why not use that same force to take it all?

Government would have all that oil money and the oil companies would no longer be standing in the way of your precious renewables, instead, under government leadership, the vast resources of the oil companies could all be focused on helping to create and implement the Progressive renewable future of next Tuesday.

 

[GenSeneca]

The CRA was signed into law in 1977. Are you telling me that this single act, enacted decades ago, caused our economy to collapse in 2008? Tell me that isn't your argument. Sorry, it isn't that simple.

You claimed, fallaciously, that there was, and I quote: "NO regulation"

There was, and still is, a great deal of regulation, I only had to post one example to prove your statement to be a false one.

You were either lying or you were wrong. Which is it?

 

[GenSeneca]

You didn't answer my question.

Yes, I did.

 

[GenSeneca]

If all conservatives are this naive, it isn't a wonder our economy collapsed.

Progressive policies (government intervention into the markets) caused our economic collapse.

A company may, in fact do what is in its best interest (and nearly as often not).

Why is that any business of yours? So long as companies are not using force or fraud and they are not violating individual rights, I don't care what the hell they do, it's none of my business.

But what is in their interest isn't necessarily what is in the best interest of the United States or its citizens.

Actually, it is.

 

[GenSeneca]

I completely disagree. If you do commerce in thre Unites States, you have an obligation to pay for the infrastructure you are using roads, airports, sewage treatment, waste disposal, energy infrastructure, etc),

You can't tax a company any more than you can tax a tree. You can only tax the individuals who own and operate the company, who are already subject to capital gains and income taxes.

to say nothing of the moral obligation you have to the community in which you do business.

Companies have no moral obligations any more than a tree has a moral obligation to the ground in which it's roots are planted.

The fact is that some of the largest corporations have been found to pay little if any taxes.

Name a company that pays nothing in taxes.

And since the SCOTUS has in effect made corporations equivalent to citizens, since they et equal treatment under the law, they shoul most definitely be taxed like everyone else.

Progressive propagandistic drivel...

Corporations are made up of people, who do have rights, that is what the SCOTUS has affirmed.

You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

If you really understood the law of causality, you would not be a Progressive.

 

[GenSeneca]

Leaving our future in the hands of the free market alone is not in the best interest of this country.

The free market is the only solution. Placing our energy future in the hands of government and leaving it to blow in the ever changing political winds is not in the best interest of the country.

 

[GenSeneca]

In this country in the 1950s and 1960s? No it would not have happened. Every utility in the country has received subsidies from the government.

So you really do believe that without government subsidies, we wouldn't have a power grid?

And you think Conservatives are naive...

 

[orogenicman]

I find it interesting that you just make stuff up and have a huge problem with people pointing out your lies and fallacies.

Everyone on my side of the table has agreed that government shouldn't be offering subsidies to any industry, that means no subsidies to renewables and no subsidies to the oil industry. If there are any SDC's who'd like to disagree, please speak up now.

You are the only one suggesting that industries you like should get subsidies while the industries you don't like should get nothing.

I assume that your mantra of "no tax breaks to any industry" also extends to small business.

Industries like me? What industry would that be?

And do point out where I have lied, dude. Do you doubt the size of the subsidies, or just take issue with them getting any at all? Or are you just finding it frusturating when someone doesn't swallow every word you say without question?

 

[orogenicman]

What does that have to do with double taxation? Not a damn thing, you're just grasping at straws by invoking the name of Bush.

If it is double taxation that you are concerned about (and I doubt that that is truly your concern here), all we have to do is pass a law that says that they can't pass on the taxes to everyone else. Ta da. Problem solved. Oh but wait, we can't to that, can we? How would all those congressmen and senators who've been bought out by the oil industry explain it to their corporate handlers?