Abortion

Despite his tendency towards mental masturbation I still come down somewhere near Gen on this issue. I think his attacks on people who don't line up with him immediately are cheap and cheesy--but part of the aforementioned masturbation.

The over reliance on science and logic and law show definite pollyanna-ish perspective. Look at human history, when have science, logic, and law ever overcome the othe things that motivate people? Government and religion maybe the two most egregious examples of science, logic, and law being thrown out the window in favor of greed, avarice, power-hunger, ethnocentrism, horniness, and all the other base emotional kinds of things that are the real drivers of our culture.

Pale the Punisher, was his great grandfather Vlad the Impaler?, they are both pretty pale. Well, anyway, the pale punisher is pushing an agenda that is so absolute that it leaves no place for real human beings and that's why he has to rely on PUNISHMENT and LAW. Caucesceu was the same kind of absolutist and he finally resorted to a mandatory death sentence for any woman who had an abortion, that's why the orphanages were overflowing when the people finally hacked him to death and set themselves free.

If you are going to look into history, perhaps you should focus on societies that disregarded science and the law. More corpses litter that landscape than you will ever find in one that adheres to the law and scientific principles.
 
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If you are going to look into history, perhaps you should focus on societies that disregarded science and the law. More corpses litter that landscape than you will ever find in one that adheres to the law and scientific principles.

How about our culture today. I'm not advocating ignoring law, I am recognizing the truth that people are not going to obey science, logic, or law when they are driven by the stronger emotions of fear, greed, etc. Your position--however scientifically correct--is not going to fly with the general populace and any more than Caucesceu's did.

Do you want to punish people or help solve the problem? Gen's approach is far more likely to lower the number of abortions than your draconian approach.
 
So you admit to being a knee jerk emotionalist to whom fact and logic are meaningless. Emotion, there is a fine justification for killing another human being.

Who are you trying to kid? Emotions are what kill almost all people. Very few rational or scientific decisions require killing people. Emotional ones often do.

Even capital punishment is emotional killing for revenge. Wars aren't rational or scientific, we demonize the enemy and kill them for emotional reasons.
 
I think his attacks on people who don't line up with him immediately are cheap and cheesy--but part of the aforementioned masturbation.

:confused: What!? Where have I "attacked" anyone for not agreeing with me on this subject? If you use fallacies, and I point them out, its NOT an attack. If you lie about what I've said or what my position is, which you have, then my correcting you is not an attack. An attack is what ASPCA "adds" to the discussion, vociferous, nasty, hate-filled attacks.

I made a comment about people who didn't have brains must live longer than a couple days because they post here. I intentionally left that open so that anyone could laugh at the joke. ASPCA used it to attack Bob and myself. You used it to attack Republicans... and you accuse me of being cheap and cheesy.

As far as the mental masturbation, there are only two people here that have looked at the scientific information and set aside their emotions to accept the truth, the rest have done their level best to avoid, ignore, dismiss and reject the truth in order to maintain a position they "feel" is right.
 
Even capital punishment is emotional killing for revenge. Wars aren't rational or scientific, we demonize the enemy and kill them for emotional reasons.

This is off topic nonsense. Capital punishment is justice. If you deny someone of their right to life, then you forfeit your own life. Wars too are not fought for emotional reasons, they are fought over property. There is not a single war in the history of mankind that has not been fought for control of property.
 
What!? Where have I "attacked" anyone for not agreeing with me on this subject? If you use fallacies, and I point them out, its NOT an attack. If you lie about what I've said or what my position is, which you have, then my correcting you is not an attack. An attack is what ASPCA "adds" to the discussion, vociferous, nasty, hate-filled attacks.
Now, now, now, you poor misguided little boy...your ability to read must be failing or your comprehension is lacking or your so busy running interference that you neglect/ignored my post #1042, 1048, 1051...but your selective scanning is so very telling. You say stupid insipid SH!T and you get called on it all of the time...can't handle the topic don't post...that's pretty much how these boards work!!! LMAO
I made a comment about people who didn't have brains must live longer than a couple days because they post here. I intentionally left that open so that anyone could laugh at the joke. ASPCA used it to attack Bob and myself. You used it to attack Republicans... and you accuse me of being cheap and cheesy.
Maybe you'd best go check that response out...NO WHERE IN ANY OF THAT RESPONSE WAS IT DIRECTED AT BOOB...'BIB' {YOUR LITTLE CHEERLEADER BUDDY} 'Brains in the Box' stepped right up to agree with your 'little joke' about the other people posting ;)...
Oh, ya, you are so extremely cute and very funny...not mean and nasty...NEVER...LMAO
As far as the mental masturbation, there are only two people here that have looked at the scientific information and set aside their emotions to accept the truth, the rest have done their level best to avoid, ignore, dismiss and reject the truth in order to maintain a position they "feel" is right.
Go take it up with the Supreme Court...you of all the scientific factual information...because the others that have been there done that must have not had your high I.Q.'s to do the job correctly :confused:
Go sic em and get that all straightened out...post haste...CHOP - CHOP!!!

I'll be right here waiting to hear your 'whining/screeching/frustrations' when you get your head handed to you in a basket...LORDY, LORDY...you sure are much ado about nothing :D:D
 
Despite his tendency towards mental masturbation I still come down somewhere near Gen on this issue. I think his attacks on people who don't line up with him immediately are cheap and cheesy--but part of the aforementioned masturbation.

The over reliance on science and logic and law show definite pollyanna-ish perspective. Look at human history, when have science, logic, and law ever overcome the othe things that motivate people? Government and religion maybe the two most egregious examples of science, logic, and law being thrown out the window in favor of greed, avarice, power-hunger, ethnocentrism, horniness, and all the other base emotional kinds of things that are the real drivers of our culture.

Pale the Punisher, was his great grandfather Vlad the Impaler?, they are both pretty pale. Well, anyway, the pale punisher is pushing an agenda that is so absolute that it leaves no place for real human beings and that's why he has to rely on PUNISHMENT and LAW. Caucesceu was the same kind of absolutist and he finally resorted to a mandatory death sentence for any woman who had an abortion, that's why the orphanages were overflowing when the people finally hacked him to death and set themselves free.

Following GenSeneca and his languishing train of thought processes around this topic has been the venture into the 'flip/flop' circus of the..."wait a minute he just changed his mind AGAIN!!!" Easily swayed my the power pusher of the likes of PALE...who boasts of being the 'MASTER DEBATOR' of the WORLD. And yet I'm curious as to why he's so focused on us mere mortals here at this community web sight...hmmm :confused:

Debating: Debate or debating is a formal method of interactive and representational argument. Debate is a broader form of argument than logical argument, which only examine the consistency from axiom, and factual argument, which only examine what is or isn't the case or rhetoric which is technique of persuasion. Though logical consistency, factual accuracy as well as some emotional appeal to audience are important elements of the art of persuasion, in debating, one side often prevails over the other side by presenting superior "context" and/or framework of the issue, which is far more subtle and strategic.

Online debating

With the increasing popularity and availability of the Internet, differing opinions arise frequently. Though they are often expressed via flaming and other forms of argumentation, which consist primarily of assertions, there do exist formalized debating websites, typically in the form of online forums or bulletin boards. The debate style is interesting, as research and well thought out points and counterpoints are possible because of the obvious lack of time restraints (although practical time restraints usually are in effect, e.g., no more than 5 days between posts, etc.).Forums are Moderated and welcome online debaters in a friendly format so all may speak their pros and cons. Many people use this to strengthen their points, or drop their weaker opinions on things, many times for debate in formal debates (such as the ones listed above) or for fun arguments with friends. The ease-of-use and friendly environments make new debaters welcome to share their opinions in many communities.

He {Pale} seems to have forgotten the basic rules for 'NON COMPETITIVE DEBATING'...he rules supreme and only wants those who he can force feed his 'FACTUAL INFORMATION TOO' and then when they acquiesce to his 'superiority' they are the enlightened ones and he acknowledges their merit. :rolleyes:

OH, HAIL TO YOU AND YOUR MASTER DEBATING ABILITY PALE...WE OF THE LESSOR THINKING HUMANS BOW DOWN TO YOU AND WISH YOU WELL!!! ;)
 
This is off topic nonsense. Capital punishment is justice. If you deny someone of their right to life, then you forfeit your own life. Wars too are not fought for emotional reasons, they are fought over property. There is not a single war in the history of mankind that has not been fought for control of property.

This is one of those you're both right and wrong posts Gen.

Some Capital punishment is justice.

But we can also look at all of the many fully convicted people being released and paid millions by the state for false imprisonment on rape, assault, murder all types of crimes due to new technology like DNA testing and see there is no doubt there have been some totally innocent people put to death over the last 200 years.

As far as the war issue the same is true. We right this moment have a voluntary Military.

But back during the draft we forced people to go and fight & kill against their will and many were killed themselves.

So Mare's point was actually valid that there care obvious contradictions.

Usually the reason used for these contradictions is at least they had "due process". But in the first example the due process established a false & wrong result and in the second example the due process was you're going to go to war and kill or you're going to jail... which is being compelled by threat of punishmnent.

Soon to be Justice Sotomayor said it best.


High marks for Sotomayor after tough questioning

WASHINGTON (CNN) --

Sonia Sotomayor speaks before the Senate Judiciary Committe on Tuesday, the second day of her hearings.

In Depth: Sotomayor Hearings Sotomayor faced direct questioning for the first time on the second day of the committee's hearing, Tuesday. If approved by the panel and confirmed by the full Senate, she would be the 111th person to sit on the nation's highest court and it's third female justice.

She gave careful answers on two politically sensitive issues -- abortion and gun control -- saying the 1973 Roe v. Wade abortion ruling was settled law, and that she supports the Second Amendment right to bear arms. Sotomayor also said it is up to Congress and not the courts to determine the need for affirmative action measures to protect minority rights.
 
This establishes that we have the right to live and that the state has the responsibility to protect that right.
It says we have a right to live, not that we have a right to force others to provide us with that which is necessary to live.
person A must launch an assault on person B and deny person B of their property.
Welfare is an assualt on the liberty of those being forced to provide it.

If I have not addressed a point that you feel is pertinent, point it out and I will get to it as quickly as I can.

Answer this one question: Is Welfare Constitutional? (the government forcing individuals who can provide for themselves to also provide for those who cannot provide for themselves)
 
... there is no doubt there have been some totally innocent people put to death over the last 200 years.
The imperfections of the system are totally irrelevent, especially since there is no perfect system. The point was that we use capital punishment as a form of justice NOT revenge.

... As far as the war issue the same is true. We right this moment have a voluntary Military.
There has never been a war that was fought over anything other than land. If I am wrong, then you can easily prove it by naming one.

... So Mare's point was actually valid that there care obvious contradictions.
You said nothing to corroborate her "points" that capital punishment was purely revenge and wars were fought out of emotion.
 
You are as useful to your side in this arguement as tits on a bull.
You need a 'spell check'...LOL

DITTO...back at you...oh, superior one, LMAO

BTW...you can apologize for your ROYAL 'F' Up in that huge misread/misquoted post where you said I 'flamed BOB'...even he can read and keep things straight...you on the other hand are as guilty as what you flame at other posters.

½ a brain...indeed...ROTFLMAO Now that is funny!!!
 
The imperfections of the system are totally irrelevent, especially since there is no perfect system. The point was that we use capital punishment as a form of justice NOT revenge.

You do realize that just saying the word "irrelevant" all the time means nothing. The fact is we do kill people who are innocent... that ain't justice my friend.

There has never been a war that was fought over anything other than land. If I am wrong, then you can easily prove it by naming one.

Wars are fought for a conglomeration of reasons. Since in the end the victor takes the spoils land is always a derivative. And no doubt often wars are fought with the purpose being to expand. But it can be that the acquiring of land itself is far secondary to the reason for the conflict... I give you the Crusades.

And going back to our draft Americans were forced against their will to do that fighting, and were killed... in other words they were killed by the judgement of the authority figure... (this is an abortion thread).;)

You said nothing to corroborate her "points" that capital punishment was purely revenge and wars were fought out of emotion.

It went without saying. There is a long history of everything from lynching to courtroom injustice where Capitol punishment was used as revenge.
 
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The fact is we do kill people who are innocent... that ain't justice my friend.
But it has nothing to do with the purpose of the death penalty.

I give you the Crusades.
Was to retake the holy land from the Muslims.

And going back to our draft Americans were forced against their will to do that fighting, and were killed... in other words they were killed by the judgement of the authority figure...
Only in your Progressive world of next Tuesday does the draft prove that we go to war because of emotions.

It went without saying. There is a long history of everything from lynching to courtroom injustice where Capitol punishment was used as revenge.
That doesn't mean it was instituted for the purpose of revenge.

this is an abortion thread
Yet you have no defense of your position.
 
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