Abortion

[Mare Tranquillity]

Instead of SPLITTING HAIRS on the Gipper's post ... catch the LAST LINE - it speaaks volumes

How odd? Progressives are all about promoting the sex act, but the consequence of the act, must be terminated to save the planet.

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You can't see that?

Which post, he has several. And please show that I am promoting ANY kind of sex which would produce unwanted children. Like Gip you seem to jump to conclusions that have no basis.

 

[always]

So. Does one human being's "right" to not be inconvenienced really outweigh another human being's actual right to live?

No doubt ABORTION takes the life on the most innocent! Even in the case of incest and/or rape it is still a crime against humanity. There are many in our society who will discard a human life like one does an old shoe. Wild Animals will protect their young with much more force than millions of Americans do today. Look at our political leaders, not only do they push abortion as a right , they also allow the killing of any infant that should survive an attempted abortion, our current president voted several times in the Illinois senate and in our Congress to to just that!!
AMERICA presently is in the mist of some very dark days and years, I believe our SIN of aborting GODS GIFT to this world is a major cause of our social pain!! What say YOU??

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

No doubt ABORTION takes the life on the most innocent! Even in the case of incest and/or rape it is still a crime against humanity. There are many in our society who will discard a human life like one does an old shoe. Wild Animals will protect their young with much more force than millions of Americans do today. Look at our political leaders, not only do they push abortion as a right , they also allow the killing of any infant that should survive an attempted abortion, our current president voted several times in the Illinois senate and in our Congress to to just that!!
AMERICA presently is in the mist of some very dark days and years, I believe our SIN of aborting GODS GIFT to this world is a major cause of our social pain!! What say YOU??

A lot of animals eat their young too.

 

[ktucan1]

Re: Are you a Pro-Lifer?

Good question! Let me break down what I see as reasonable with the understanding that I am NOT a doctor who has sufficient background in anatomy. Just so you know that some analogies are are purely speculative with insufficient understanding to the actual structure of them thar innards
as I think it should be (strictly my own personal opinion) ... If it is not a medically verifiable detriment to a womans life and well being - it needs to be treated as murder - perhaps second degree (not a life sentence) it is worse than Michael Kamrava, Nadya Suleman's doctor, who who may be charged with gross negligence charges for his actions.

Like I told my wife when she was pregnant - if i need to make a choice between her or the baby .... BYE BABY!
... and to have a son to carry on my name is a major BIG DEAL in our family tradition.

However; in our situation - we were not trying to get out of a mess that would have been a hassle and a bother for some barely committed party animal.

To me my wife is irreplaceable - where as a baby can be attempted again or even if need be - one can be adopted if the possibility of child birth is lost.

In MOST Pro Life cases it isn't the rescue of a womans life that is the issue

the issue is - THE DISREGARD OF A LIFE DUE TO PERSONAL INCONVENIENCE THAT IS THE PROBLEM.

There is a need for a FAIL SAFE trigger to prevent the abuse of fetal murder brought on by a flagrant disregard for anything but the act of screwing like some alley cat's.

I have 2 fertile cat's (a male & female) ... and the other day - dude grabbed her by the neck (to get some tail) while she was feeding the babies ... he pulled her right out from where the babies were feeding on her.

I expect people to be better than THAT!

sad to say - too many people are NOT better than that - we need to slow down social deterioration - it has spread into every corner of society with more and more people disregarding the social structure and values which separate us from the rest of the animal kingdom.

Awesome Good view points. I respect that and it's good to know we can all agree to disagree because since it such a sensitive issue there are no real good clear cut answers to the question. Me personally I think they shouldn't and this is coming from a Pro-Life person so to speak. Enough damage has been done and I think for whatever reason a mother would terminate her pregnancy she just needs to know that she's not going to be judged for it at least from me. I mean it's like Jesus said. "He who is with out sin cast the first stone". I can't do that.

 

[ktucan1]

Re: Are you a Pro-Lifer?

Well you assume I am a Christian, which is a very good assumption. I believe many non-Christians are also against baby killing. So, not only are Christians against baby murder. But, I do agree that my Christian faith tells me to turn the other cheek, but I can't. Call me a sinner. Its okay.

And, I do not abide by or respect the baby murder law and I do what I can to change the law. Many Americans (Dems) accepted and repected the law of slavery. Just like many Americans (Dems) accept and respect the baby murder law.

And please name one person in the last 50 years executed by the state who was innocent?

Let me get back to you on the last part of the question after I do some research I mean it's only fair right? Also I didn't mean to assume with you Mr. Gipper but let's just say we both believe in God and end it at that. I don't think your a sinner Sir, besides it's not for me to judge you like that anyways.Thank you for your response by the way and I look forward to many more conversations with you. Have a nice day.

One more thing while I was doing my research I couldn't find anyone who was executed in this country that was innocent. Then again just because I couldn't find one doesn't mean it didn't happen. Anyway here is a link to some interesting article's whether or not it fits to your liking I'll let you be the judge but hey at least I tried.

http://www.justicedenied.org/executed.htm

 

[AgainstTheMachine]

Re: Are you a Pro-Lifer?

Awesome Good view points. I respect that and it's good to know we can all agree to disagree because since it such a sensitive issue there are no real good clear cut answers to the question. Me personally I think they shouldn't and this is coming from a Pro-Life person so to speak. Enough damage has been done and I think for whatever reason a mother would terminate her pregnancy she just needs to know that she's not going to be judged for it at least from me. I mean it's like Jesus said. "He who is with out sin cast the first stone". I can't do that.

It also says in the Bible

Rom 16:17 ¶ Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

so support what you will

 

[ktucan1]

Re: Are you a Pro-Lifer?

It also says in the Bible

so support what you will

That it Does Sir, That it Does.

 

[always]

A lot of animals eat their young too.

BUT GOD gave HUMANS something NO ANIMAL HAS----- "REASON"

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

BUT GOD gave HUMANS something NO ANIMAL HAS----- "REASON"

So? What other animal has developed war, atomic bombs, torture, and justified those things with religion?

 

[palerider]

Re: Are you a Pro-Lifer?

That is the question and I look forward to hear some great responses from both the left and the right. Enjoy the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryiUBIiN4xE

I am not pro life. I am anti abortion on demand. Any other questions?

 

[Gipper]

So? What other animal has developed war, atomic bombs, torture, and justified those things with religion?

Yeah if only people were as dumb as animals, all would be good.

But, really if we could just murder several 100 million of those nasty humans, the world would be so sweet.

So thinks the socialist, marxist, communist, nazi, progressive, liberal....

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

Yeah if only people were as dumb as animals, all would be good.

But, really if we could just murder several 100 million of those nasty humans, the world would be so sweet.

So thinks the socialist, marxist, communist, nazi, progressive, liberal....

You credit people with being special and then disingenuously claim that I am calling for the deaths of millions when I simply point out that we have used are "specialness" for greed and stupidity. Kind of a leap, isn't it?

 

[Gipper]

“Are you offended that Tim Tebow is alive?”

 

[Gipper]

As a former fetus, I am strongly against abortion...are liberals former fetus'?

The real problem with the Tim Tebow ad has nothing to do with football, nothing to do with the legalities of abortion on demand and nothing to do with all the people now living, walking, talking breathing.

It has everything to do with the value of each and every human being, the unknown possibilities of every conceived child and the profound weight of the decision that mothers and fathers made when they chose to conceive.

In the end, abortion proponents are forced to focus only on the mother’s financial, physical and emotional well-being. If they, even for one minute, stop to consider the non-choice of another human being (not to mention fathers), all their arguments to women suddenly fall on deaf ears.

Tim Tebow, with quite astounding football prowess, is one child who was allowed to live. And grow and prosper. And succeed. To the delight of his parents and his family, friends and football fans.

Since 1973, 51 million Americans just like him were not given this privilege. They were killed by abortionists before they had the chance to show what they could be.

And that is a message that the abortion lobby cannot dare let come to light.

Therein lies the problem with the Tebow ad.
http://bigjournalism.com/kashiver/2010/01/31/that-tim-tebow-ad-so-what-really-is-the-problem/

 

[always]

As a former fetus, I am strongly against abortion...are liberals former fetus'?

Could it possibly be in order to benefit future generations that we have a National Law aborting all the unborn conceived by "liberal types"?
This , as gasly as it sounds would assure us of a well balanced and sane populus in a couple of generations! I would not advocate such a policy but it would be in line with current day liberalism AKA Progressiveism!